Canon EOS-1D X Mark II To Feature CFast & CF Slots [CR3]

[JMZawodny]

It is if it's unnecessary to have media with that sort of write speed, yes. I mean, if they make the DX2 that can write ProRes or full 24fps RAW (which there was a rumor about for stills a few days ago...) then we have a valid reason. Otherwise 14fps of 22mb and 1DC 4k does NOT CFast 2.0 require...

I going to go out on a limb and assume that those of us wanting CFast 2.0 want the added functionality that could come a long with it.

Are you seriously considering Canon putting in CFast without using them? It would have been cheaper for everyone, Canon included, to use CF.

It's a given that one confirmed CFast now means that at least one function of the camera requires that kind of speed.

You can justify a need for CFast cards with the 1DX specs.....

25MByte RAW files times 12FPS equals 300MB/s transfer rate.... and for that you need CFast cards to keep up....

Unless the 1DXII is slower than the 1DX, it needs them.

Unlimited burst would be sweet!

 

[PureClassA]

The DX2 is IN production so whatever they've done... Is done. And yes, CFast 2 is fine so long as there really is some new feature that truly warrants the need for that speed. I just dont want CFast 2 just for the sake of "well it's the newest thing".

 

[tpatana]

I'm not sure that several hundred more dollars for same-style memory cards should have factored into the design decision for a $6000 camera. "Drop in the bucket" comes to mind.

That's not how it works. I already vested ~$600 on CF during past 2 years, I'd hate to do that again. I hate when people say "well this costs already XX dollars, so what's $500 more." It's exactly $500 more, and that $500 is gone from something else I can buy, like hookers and cocaine.

So if they really wanted CFast, I think this is ok compromise.

 

[gunship01]

The piecemeal technique of releasing info on this camera makes me chuckle a bit (seems to be one new feature every other week), but I imagine it gives everyone points to debate and keeps all engaged until the day the camera is released.

If it is 4K then the CFast slots are mandatory I would think. But the old slot also is a selling point for those on the edge (the 5D3/4 crowd) of upgrading their system.

 

[CG photography]

Not a troll, Canon fan here, but,
I think Nikon has the better strategy on this one. Not only can you choose the tech you want, but the card module is exchangeable, so if you want to start with the CF module and then switch to QXD when the prices drop (or vice versa if you start with QXD and the format fails) you can.

Also, hopefully the canon will not have the same totally inane screw up the 5d3 had where the slower card (sd in 5d3) actually limits the write speed to the faster card.

 

[bellorusso]

Bad and expensive idea that will make us buy two different kind of cards for another bunch of many years... Damn you, Canon!

 

[Don Haines]

sigh...... if you have a bunch of CF cards, they are not going to go instantly obsolete and get tossed in the garbage can.....

You can use the CF card out of your 1DX (or whatever) in the CF slot of a 1DXII and leave the CFast card slot empty until prices on the cards drop or your finances recover.....

and look at this from the other direction.... a heck of a lot more people would be complaining if there was no CFast slot at all.....

 

[zim]

From a paying customer point of view I'd like to think that a pro using this camera would have a backup card in so buying cfast would be manditory

 

[tcmatthews]

sigh...... if you have a bunch of CF cards, they are not going to go instantly obsolete and get tossed in the garbage can.....

You can use the CF card out of your 1DX (or whatever) in the CF slot of a 1DXII and leave the CFast card slot empty until prices on the cards drop or your finances recover.....

and look at this from the other direction.... a heck of a lot more people would be complaining if there was no CFast slot at all.....

+1

I will never buy a 1DXII but if Canon put only CFast slots there would be a bunch of grumbling. This seems like a good Engineering option although a swappable card reader module with optional configurations would have been better.

 

[tcmatthews]

From a paying customer point of view I'd like to think that a pro using this camera would have a backup card in so buying cfast would be manditory

Yes but if there were two cfast slots buying two cfast cards would be mandatory.

 

[Don Haines]

sigh...... if you have a bunch of CF cards, they are not going to go instantly obsolete and get tossed in the garbage can.....

You can use the CF card out of your 1DX (or whatever) in the CF slot of a 1DXII and leave the CFast card slot empty until prices on the cards drop or your finances recover.....

and look at this from the other direction.... a heck of a lot more people would be complaining if there was no CFast slot at all.....

+1

I will never buy a 1DXII but if Canon put only CFast slots there would be a bunch of grumbling. This seems like a good Engineering option although a swappable card reader module with optional configurations would have been better.

There are adaptors to put a SD card into a CF slot.....and a micro SD into a SD slot..... so I suppose this means I could take a card out of a GoPro and use it in a 1DXII

 

[tron]

Disappointing.

The price of CFast is already a non-issue, and it'll only get better.

The people how would have voted against CFast is exactly the ones you shouldn't ask beforehand.

http://www.amazon.de/SanDisk%C2%A0Extreme-PRO-64GB-CFast-Speicherkarte/dp/B0107RKTLA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1452976847&sr=8-1&keywords=sandisk+cfast+64

http://www.amazon.de/SanDisk-Extreme-CompactFlash-Speicherkarte-160MB/dp/B00ECEVFFO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1452976911&sr=8-1&keywords=sandisk+compact+flash+64

259 Euros vs 88 Euros for 64GB cards (3 to 1 price ratio) does not seem like non-issue...

(Both cards compared were Sandisk Extreme Pro)

 

[tron]

sigh...... if you have a bunch of CF cards, they are not going to go instantly obsolete and get tossed in the garbage can.....

You can use the CF card out of your 1DX (or whatever) in the CF slot of a 1DXII and leave the CFast card slot empty until prices on the cards drop or your finances recover.....

and look at this from the other direction.... a heck of a lot more people would be complaining if there was no CFast slot at all.....

+1

I will never buy a 1DXII but if Canon put only CFast slots there would be a bunch of grumbling. This seems like a good Engineering option although a swappable card reader module with optional configurations would have been better.

There are adaptors to put a SD card into a CF slot.....and a micro SD into a SD slot..... so I suppose this means I could take a card out of a GoPro and use it in a 1DXII

;D ;D ;D

 

[tron]

sigh...... if you have a bunch of CF cards, they are not going to go instantly obsolete and get tossed in the garbage can.....

You can use the CF card out of your 1DX (or whatever) in the CF slot of a 1DXII and leave the CFast card slot empty until prices on the cards drop or your finances recover.....

and look at this from the other direction.... a heck of a lot more people would be complaining if there was no CFast slot at all.....

I guess CFast is better for 4K video but for 160(150 for writting) MB/sec CF cards are fast enough especially of combined with a really big buffer. By the way do we have information about buffer size?

 

[Peer]

I think this is a mistake. Reminds me a bit of my old Porsche which had both cassette and CD players. If we can afford Canon's flagship camera, I would assume we can also afford CFast media.

-- peer

 

[tpatana]

I think this is a mistake. Reminds me a bit of my old Porsche which had both cassette and CD players. If we can afford Canon's flagship camera, I would assume we can also afford CFast media.

-- peer

98% of people will use this for pictures, so 98% of people don't see absolutely any benefit from CFast.

Fast CF is more than enough for pictures.

So now we're catering to picture shooters, while making small compromise to the small minority who'll buy this for 4k.

 

[drphilgandini]

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You can use the CF card out of your 1DX (or whatever) in the CF slot of a 1DXII and leave the CFast card slot empty until prices on the cards drop or your finances recover...

Can a CF card be read/written in a CFast slot? I understand the CFast card won't fit in the CF slot, but what about the other way round?

 

[9VIII]

I think they should have three slots.
Two CF slots and one Cfast.

As-is any capabilities added by Cfast can't be redundant anyway, so just give people 100% backward compatibility with their current workflow, but add some future-proofing.
But really, if they can have three slots they can probably have four.
(there should be a slot for CF, Cfast, XQD, and SD )

 

[Loswr]

sigh...... if you have a bunch of CF cards, they are not going to go instantly obsolete and get tossed in the garbage can.....

You can use the CF card out of your 1DX (or whatever) in the CF slot of a 1DXII and leave the CFast card slot empty until prices on the cards drop or your finances recover.....

and look at this from the other direction.... a heck of a lot more people would be complaining if there was no CFast slot at all.....

+1

I will never buy a 1DXII but if Canon put only CFast slots there would be a bunch of grumbling. This seems like a good Engineering option although a swappable card reader module with optional configurations would have been better.

There will be grumbling either way. No doubt Canon knows which grumblers are in the minority.

Consider that the 1D X shoots 12 fps RAW and 14 fps restricted to JPG, which suggests a bottleneck in card writing, and that's with 18 MP images. Consider the amount of grumbling with the 5DIII's SD slot throttling RAW frame rate with dual-card writing. If using the CF card from your 1D X in the 1D X II means you can't achieve the full output, e.g. 22 MP RAW at 14 fps, that forces a choice between full speed and instant backup, not both.

The engineering option to swap means a service center and would likely not be cheap.

 

[tcmatthews]

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You can use the CF card out of your 1DX (or whatever) in the CF slot of a 1DXII and leave the CFast card slot empty until prices on the cards drop or your finances recover...

Can a CF card be read/written in a CFast slot? I understand the CFast card won't fit in the CF slot, but what about the other way round?

No they are not compatible. Cfast is based on SATA and CF is based on Parallel ATA. They are not pin compatible. While it could be possible to create a parallel to serial adapter you could not get the card and adapter in the camera with with the card slot closed.