ahsanford said:
No and no. The 1DC shoots 4K in a native pixel APS-H crop mode and it does have a rather large internal heat sink/pipe arrangement. The hardware also differs from the 1DX in the audio ports.
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Canon EOS-1D X Mark II to Shoot 4K Video [CR2]
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No and no. The 1DC shoots 4K in a native pixel APS-H crop mode and it does have a rather large internal heat sink/pipe arrangement. The hardware also differs from the 1DX in the audio ports.
I speculated that here months ago too........ahsanford said:jeffa4444 said:
Number of people on this thread that have implied that "at launch" means that Canon is holding out 4K on the 5D4 and might release it post-launch via firmware = 3.
We might be on to something here. :
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dilbert said:
What will be interesting to find out is whether the market is going that way, or whether manufacturers are merely adding the functionality hoping to create the market in the same way canon created the "HDSLR" market (inadvertently, form many reports) with the 5D2.
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Seems pretty easy to explain, at least for the studio side. They likely think the 5Ds is plenty for a studio photog, and anyone demanding more is probably going medium format anyway. Same really could be said of landscape, though, I think there is a strong argument for the weather-sealing of a 1D body there.ahsanford said:
Is there really competition for high MP at the 1D level anyway? Sony doesnt have it, and I dont know of a Nikon top-level body that shoots 50+MP either.
This, on the other hand, seems to be a common Canon philosophy. They dont particularly care if the prosumer market wants their video cameras. They want the pro market. Which, is probably a good strategy. It allows them to target pricier cameras at the rental and studio models, while targeting cheaper cameras at production studios. And they can largely ignore all the R&D costs of making 4k work on a 5dIV body that might not fully support it.
Sucks as an end user, but, truth is the market for 4k video has ditched Canon already. If you need 4k, then you moved to Panasonic or Sony already. And if you cant afford to make that move, then you are kind of proving Canon's point....the disposable income isnt there in that market.
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I think 4k now is not a deal buster as most people right now aren't setup for it and universal compliance are just coming into play. I rather see better DR and a new mechanism for the shutter. In high speed it's just to noisy even in their quiet mode. And of course improve focusing especial in low light.
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For me this just means, don't expect them to add a headphone jack, and other fancy ??? video related things like that.
It's still only a CR2, but I would be very happy if the 1D X Mark II does have 4K video. I shoot a lot of stills, but I also shoot an enormous amount of video and am very happy with the quality of video that the 1D X produces. If it can do 4K, then even better.
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dilbert said:
I don't have a problem with that because I prefer to use an actual video camera to record video, and a stills camera to take photographs.
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News like the OP makes it very unlikely I'll invest in more Canon glass at this time. If the 5D4 won't have 4K then it seems like Canon doesn't think they need to release a high end product for the $4K they'll ask for it. Other companies are willing to earn my $.
So frustrating.
So frustrating.
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I have been a Canon shooter for 20 years +. I always felt Canon produced the best lenses and cameras on the market. Since the 5D Mark II, they have been falling behind the pack.
I once owned the 1DX but preferred the 5D Mark III due to the weight of the camera and lack of silent shooting (at least at multiple frames per second).
However, I now also own a Panasonic GH4 that I use almost exclusively for 4k video.
I have a hard time seeing myself plunk down at least 5k on a 1DX II for 4k video...and then we don't know what kind of features it will have. Things like focus peaking are a must.
If the 5D Mark IV doesn't have 4k, I guarantee you my next camera will not be Canon since nowadays I do just as much filming as photography.
For the past few years I have really grown to be disappointed in Canon's product line.
Their market share will continue to erode unless they come out with cameras that beat the competition.
AJ
I once owned the 1DX but preferred the 5D Mark III due to the weight of the camera and lack of silent shooting (at least at multiple frames per second).
However, I now also own a Panasonic GH4 that I use almost exclusively for 4k video.
I have a hard time seeing myself plunk down at least 5k on a 1DX II for 4k video...and then we don't know what kind of features it will have. Things like focus peaking are a must.
If the 5D Mark IV doesn't have 4k, I guarantee you my next camera will not be Canon since nowadays I do just as much filming as photography.
For the past few years I have really grown to be disappointed in Canon's product line.
Their market share will continue to erode unless they come out with cameras that beat the competition.
AJ
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Wow, unbelievable. What tools. The very revolution they created they have no given up on. Well, go ahead, protect your precious internal product segmentation. I'm now moving to SOny, forget Canon. Too slow, too much into milking old stuff and expecting the fanboys to cheer (they probably will, so Canon will probably get away with it (for stills, they area already done for in the DSLR video market), which will probably mean good stuff will be yet still another another generation away, done waiting).
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as much as I hate it since I love the Canon UI compared to Nikon and love the Canon lenses, maybe it's time even to just forget Canon and not even bother with the half-way solution of adding Sony to Canon and just go Nikon all the way, if the D820 is the A7R II but with DSLR AF, 6fps FF, 7fps APS-C crop mode, yeah bye Canon.
They jsut don't care, all they care is to deliver as little as they as slowly as they can and get away with it. Maybe that works for them, but it sure don't work for me. I can't shoot video or take shots with a short term stock report (and eventually, at some point, it's gotta eventually hurt them long term, even if it may still be some time out). But their whole attitude is nothing like the old Canon I used to know.
I have serious doubts the 5D4 will even get better DR and the on chip ADC. Maybe the 5D5. But who wants to wait? Many here in this particular rather rah-rah whatever they do forum maybe, but not me.
They jsut don't care, all they care is to deliver as little as they as slowly as they can and get away with it. Maybe that works for them, but it sure don't work for me. I can't shoot video or take shots with a short term stock report (and eventually, at some point, it's gotta eventually hurt them long term, even if it may still be some time out). But their whole attitude is nothing like the old Canon I used to know.
I have serious doubts the 5D4 will even get better DR and the on chip ADC. Maybe the 5D5. But who wants to wait? Many here in this particular rather rah-rah whatever they do forum maybe, but not me.
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The 5d4 will be a rehash of the 5d3 which was a rehash of the 5d2. Canon might throw in the double pixel focus or whatever it is from the 7d2, there will be more noise smearing at high ISOs which Canon will call better high ISO performance, shutter will be tested anywhere from 500k to 1M, pixel count will be bumped to 30MP, there will be a few more added buttons and levers that will activate functionality you had never thought of (because you never needed it), menu will have more multicolored windows ... and whatever else you can imagine that you don't need. The two things it will *not* have are 2 stops more dynamic range and 4k video.
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I suspect that the 'non DSLR' 4K camera of which they speak will be an upgrade to the C500 so that it competes with the more expensive competitors such as the Arri and Red. They might even go 8K or 16K. It seems that the 1DXII will be the 'cross over' vehicle and merge the current 1Dx and the 1Dc products. Just guessing, of course.
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