Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Being Tested by Photographers

[RickWagoner]

The Canon Ambassadors are doing final field testing and marketing work, they have pre-release models...actually they have had them for awhile now. I told you months ago 4k was for sure in. You people are in for a fun all around "little" camera in a few months!!! Even i am impressed with it and may just well save up my pennies for one myself. Can't say much on details but don't expect high Megapixels or crazy fast fps but do expect the best DR ever from a Canon!

of course you don't believe me...

 

[ahsanford]

The 70D was the first with DPAF not the 80D. It's sad that DPAF is so often overlooked. I don't mean on here but in general review sites don't give it the attention it deserves. Just my opinion.... :

Terrible oversight, my bad. Thanks for the correction.

- A

 

[ahsanford]

:'(

The 1DX2 tells us a lot about the 5D4. That is, it won't be the equal or better on just about anything.

5D4 will win on resolution. But again, once past a certain ISO point, the 1DX2 will have better IQ.

If the same trend between the 1DX and 5D3 continues, then nothing will be better on the 5D4 except for max resolution, leading to better IQ at ISO 100 and 200 only.

And how good was the silent shutter mode on your original 1DX, if you don't mind my asking? How was the DPAF or anti-flicker mode on that 1DX, hmm? Or how about that -3 EV center AF point?

Oh, that's right. Lesser/cheaper models got those things before the 1D line did. :

Yes, the 5D4 won't outpunch the 1DX2 in anything but resolution / less weight / less size. But it probably will have an ace up its sleeve that we didn't see coming.

- A

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

The Canon Ambassadors are doing final field testing and marketing work, they have pre-release models...actually they have had them for awhile now. I told you months ago 4k was for sure in. You people are in for a fun all around "little" camera in a few months!!! Even i am impressed with it and may just well save up my pennies for one myself. Can't say much on details but don't expect high Megapixels or crazy fast fps but do expect the best DR ever from a Canon!

of course you don't believe me...

When you say best DR ever from a Canon, better than 80D and 1DX2 (which rather disappointed me, best ever for Canon, but still so far behind Exmor). If they could at least get to say within 1/2 stop of A7R II ISO 100 DR then I'd probably be all over this wow.

If it's like 1DX2/80D DR or just a tiny bit better man I don't think so then and for sure not if they left out 100% zoomed video focusing aids and such.

 

[100]

I strongly doubt the 5D4 will have 4K 60fps,

4k @ 60fps is about the same amount of data as 2k @ 120 fps. If the processor can handle one it should be able to handle the other, so computing power wise there is no problem. In my non expert opinion I would guess heating issue should not be any different either for channeling all that data through the pipeline. If the 5D4 comes without 4k/60, it will likely be a marketing decision. But does Canon really expect people to fork over several thousand more just to be able to do slow mo 4k ?

Keep in mind the upcoming Panasonic GH5 according to rumors is going to be a 4k powerhouse. It will also be 6k capable. If Canon wants to reclaim the indie market that it once dominated with the 5D2, this will be their opportunity.

2k = 2048*1080 ~ 2.2mp
4k = 4096*2160 ~ 8.8mp
So not 2 times the data but 4 times.
4k @ 60fps = 2k @ 240fps.

 

[zim]

But it probably will have an ace up its sleeve that we didn't see coming.

AFAA Perhaps

 

[K]

The Canon Ambassadors are doing final field testing and marketing work, they have pre-release models...actually they have had them for awhile now. I told you months ago 4k was for sure in. You people are in for a fun all around "little" camera in a few months!!! Even i am impressed with it and may just well save up my pennies for one myself. Can't say much on details but don't expect high Megapixels or crazy fast fps but do expect the best DR ever from a Canon!

of course you don't believe me...

When you say best DR ever from a Canon, better than 80D and 1DX2 (which rather disappointed me, best ever for Canon, but still so far behind Exmor). If they could at least get to say within 1/2 stop of A7R II ISO 100 DR then I'd probably be all over this wow.

I doubt they'll get within 1/2 stop of the Exmor. The leap Canon has made in DR is significant for Canon, but isn't competitive with the industry. It comes down to end users. Is the increase good enough? This will please the very small percentage of Canon users who care about DR and can use more. But it won't please those looking for the most they can get. Those folks have mostly jumped ship to Nikon already. If there are any hold outs left - then the 1DX2 and 80D results should be enough to convince them not to bother waiting for the 5D4.

While Canon could "tune" their sensor in the 5D4 for better DR at low ISO, being that the 1DX2 is setup for good high ISO performance and doesn't focus on low ISO DR, how much can they get? I doubt with their current tech they will put out anything close to Nikon.

Fortunately for Canon, having massive DR at ISO 64, 100 and 200 isn't the priority of pros, serious enthusiasts and the industry as a whole.

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

Canon, as usual will add small improvements over a wide range so that no one feature would cause me to run out and buy one. This formula has worked for them since their first film SLR's, so do not expect any revolutionary features. A dual pixel sensor with on chip A-D conversion will not push ISO capability higher, but will allow for Autofocus during video and reduce low ISO noise. Frame grabbing of 4K video will be a tool for bird photographers as well as for other subjects. Wi-Fi and GPS are pretty standard by now, but fast Wi-Fi that is long range would be welcome. As usual, third party reverse engineering of lenses will be broken, perhaps the same for flashes. Early adopters will need to wait for Lightroom and most other software to catch up.

In short, Canon will produce a mainstream camera that will be class leading for years to come, four years wait for the next model is too long though, they need to really push to develop the dual pixel sensor technology further. Since sensors are hitting the limits of performance increases, other tricks to lower noise will be needed and are coming. I do not expect improvements to stop with a 5D MK IV.

 

[Chaitanya]

apart from 4K, that 1080 @120fps certainly would be helpful. Guess I will wait for final announcement to believe as Canon always castrates their cameras to protect "High-end" products.

 

[tpatana]

I hope it's going to have illuminated buttons like D500.

When I was in the army, I could disassemble and put back together my rifle, blindfolded. When I'm taking pictures, I know any menu button location very well without looking at them. They don't move you know.

I'm not sure why people often mention that as a plus. It'd add non-needed electronic parts in there, both taking space and one more thing to break down. So please no.

Really hope it has CFast and CF card slots and same 5D III battery...

Being selfish, I'd love these too but for general audience I think SD+CFast and new battery type will make more sense.

Other item's I'd love:

-36-50MPix
-1080p120 or especially 1080p240

 

[scottkinfw]

If the 5D Mk IV has duel CFast and SD slots, would it be the end of the road for my trusty old CF cards or are they likely to still be usable via the similarly sized CFast slot ?

Nope. The CF and C fast are not interchangeable.

sek

 

[scottkinfw]

can not see the 5D4 trumping the 1D2 on too many things, some thing has to give, my question is what?

Likely MP will be more. That may be a great reason to buy one as a second camera to the 1DXII, if you have the $$$.

sek

 

[Talley]

I was told 28mp using a new 0.18um cmos sensor will give 1.4 stops more base iso DR and roughly 1/2 stop higher ISO noise performance over the 1dx2

 

[Woody]

I don't mean on here but in general review sites don't give it the attention it deserves. Just my opinion.... :

I think DPAF received a lot of attention when it was first announced on the 70D.

The issue lies in actual use:
(i) The black-out time for 70D with DPAF in live view is quite long. This severely limits the usability of live view mode.
(ii) Before 80D, DPAF tracking is not possible in AF servo mode.
(iii) Canon's algo for DPAF is primitive; lacks the ability to specify single eye AF.
(iv) Size of each DPAF area is rather large.
(v) Even AF tracking algo that uses DPAF does not intelligently make full use of color info; this may result in less-than-stellar results for distant subject tracking (as reported by DPReview).

Appears that Canon is still heavily dependent on distance info in AF servo mode.

 

[scottkinfw]

I'd like to rely less on grad NDs and manual exposure blending...

if Canon can't deliver at least the same resolution we have now with a considerable DR & shadow recovery improvement I may finally start trying to figure out how I would go about switching systems... and I don't want to, I like Canon better.

I wonder how often first time posters say this. :

I see another option. If you don't like the new offerings, hold until a model comes out that is fitting of your expertise. If he insists on selling off his gear, he can let me know, I might be interested in a fireside sale.

sek

 

[gmon750]

If the 5D Mk IV has duel CFast and SD slots, would it be the end of the road for my trusty old CF cards or are they likely to still be usable via the similarly sized CFast slot ?

The slower (old) cards should still work at the same speed it's always been. It's just that if you expect to use the faster speed, you'd have to upgrade to more modern cards. That's just the nature of modern technology.

 

[CanoKnight]

So not 2 times the data but 4 times.
4k @ 60fps = 2k @ 240fps.

You are right. I overlooked that. Data rate is proportional to the area, not length.

 

[unfocused]

If the 5D Mk IV has duel CFast and SD slots, would it be the end of the road for my trusty old CF cards or are they likely to still be usable via the similarly sized CFast slot ?

The slower (old) cards should still work at the same speed it's always been. It's just that if you expect to use the faster speed, you'd have to upgrade to more modern cards. That's just the nature of modern technology.

No. No. No. This has already been answered. You cannot us CF cards in theCFast slot.

 

[colorblinded]

I'd like to rely less on grad NDs and manual exposure blending...

if Canon can't deliver at least the same resolution we have now with a considerable DR & shadow recovery improvement I may finally start trying to figure out how I would go about switching systems... and I don't want to, I like Canon better.

I wonder how often first time posters say this. :

I see another option. If you don't like the new offerings, hold until a model comes out that is fitting of your expertise. If he insists on selling off his gear, he can let me know, I might be interested in a fireside sale.

sek

I should have known someone (Woody in this case) would have something to say...

I'm certainly aware of the endless flamewars on the topic but while I've followed this site for a long time, I never felt compelled to jump in to the forum. I think it finally happened because my relationship with Canon is really growing strained now. I was already holding off and bought the 5D3 within 6 months of its launch anyway because I wanted to get back to a 24x36 sized sensitive medium. I have been largely happy with the 5D3, but shooting alongside a friend with the D800 often enough, I've faced some frustrations when I saw what was possible. It has never really given me the warm fuzzies like my trusty old 1D2.

Definitely Canon's ergonomics and have quite a few lenses, including some for which there's no comparable offering from Nikon.

No need for better AF, better high ISO, more focusing points, or more video capabilities. That being said, if there's a tangible improvement in DR I will be trading my 3 in for the 4 in a hurry.

Now, if we could get a 32ish mp sensor with high DR in an EOS 3 ish body, I'd be in heaven. I'll even take the ECF again, please.

 

[romanr74]

Unfortunately I never record video with DSLR so these are useless for me (I'm sure some of you will find these very helpful though. So kudos to Canon). I'm a photographer and I need the 5D IV to be comparable to competition (canon is lagging like 2 years from competition with sensor tech). Step up in that area and take my money. Simple as that. Otherwise my next body will be the first non Canon body in my life. Ball is in your court. Just play it nice.

2 years behind? So with the 5D III at release they were 2 years ahead I guess...

Apparently...

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