Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Being Tested by Photographers

[koenkooi]

All photographers of name i've worked with or know have switched. All! And i'm talking a lot top 20 fashion / editorial / lifestyle / commercial shooters here in the Netherlands.

Do you believe the Netherlands accurately represents the entire world? Also, by '8 out of 10' did you mean 80%, or literally 8 out of the 10 total high-profile , non-wildlife/action shooters in your country?

We did have a (in)famous papparazzo leave an online review the EF 1200mm at the store where he bought it, does that count as action shooter?

 

[romanr74]

I've been told in this forum that my sense for logic is terrible. So it might be the case here. Or are these statements conflicting (or at least not quite the same)?

...canon is losing probably 8 out of 10 - non action or wildlife - high profile shooters who were shooting canon originally to the d800/d810 series.

I've seen some files pass by in this scene which are still canon though, but it's not much. Less than 8 out of 10 actually.

 

[unfocused]

I've been told in this forum that my sense for logic is terrible. So it might be the case here. Or are these statements conflicting (or at least not quite the same)?

...canon is losing probably 8 out of 10 - non action or wildlife - high profile shooters who were shooting canon originally to the d800/d810 series.

I've seen some files pass by in this scene which are still canon though, but it's not much. Less than 8 out of 10 actually.

That means that the 20% who are shooting with Canon are generating 80% of the images that are actually being used.

 

[romanr74]

I would reason a new tech 32-ish mp sensor with 24 mp mode (for daily use)

Why on earthy would you shoot 24 mp everday but want 32 mp for... what actually...?

 

[romanr74]

I've been told in this forum that my sense for logic is terrible. So it might be the case here. Or are these statements conflicting (or at least not quite the same)?

...canon is losing probably 8 out of 10 - non action or wildlife - high profile shooters who were shooting canon originally to the d800/d810 series.

I've seen some files pass by in this scene which are still canon though, but it's not much. Less than 8 out of 10 actually.

That means that the 20% who are shooting with Canon are generating 80% of the images that are actually being used.

That's what my terrible sense for logic would tell me... But i don't think that's what was meant to be said...

 

[d]

I've been told in this forum that my sense for logic is terrible. So it might be the case here. Or are these statements conflicting (or at least not quite the same)?

...canon is losing probably 8 out of 10 - non action or wildlife - high profile shooters who were shooting canon originally to the d800/d810 series.

I've seen some files pass by in this scene which are still canon though, but it's not much. Less than 8 out of 10 actually.

That means that the 20% who are shooting with Canon are generating 80% of the images that are actually being used.

That's what my terrible sense for logic would tell me... But i don't think that's what was meant to be said...

No it makes perfect sense...those remaining Canon shooters are making five-image bracketed sets for each shot, since it's the only way to match the DR of the Nikon's everyone else has switched to...

 

[mmeerdam]

my god, some of you are really focussed on the unimportant part of a discussion. I don't think the netherlands represents the whole world, i'm not saying canon doesn't do well in sales. I'm not trying to prove 8 of 10 canon shooters switched.. Fact is Nikon D810 is a strong competitor. If you don't agree you're just badshit blind. What i'm trying to debate is: What is reasonable to expect. But i'm out of this discussion as it just doesn't amount to any logical debate concerning the topic, just bashing for the sake of disagree.

and yes you're right i meant 2 out of 10 off course.

 

[Mikehit]

No-one is denying people have switched when their main aim is to increase resolution. In fact the switch started happening way before the D8xx came out and was based on noise performance rather than MP count. And I would venture that high ISO is still the main reason for the switch to Nikon.

But when you come up with statements like:

canon is losing probably 8 out of 10 - non action or wildlife - high profile shooters who were shooting canon originally to the d800/d810 series. "

It is quite a bold statement and when you support it with your experience in Netherlands expect that to be challenged. So when you use that claim to support your idea of which direction you think Canon should go I think it is reasonable to question the underlying assumption because if they are found to be inaccurate then it calls into question the conclusion - it is called debate.

 

[Rejay14]

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I've written this more than once, but for the middle weight, Sony and Nikon competition, the 6D-ii can come in without DPAF at 36MP @4FPS at $2500. Keep the 5D-iv as the jack of all, king of the wedding/event, with a fast'ish 7 (maybe 8) FPS, and a killer quiet 3-4FPS mode.

We will see, and I'm likely talking out my arse. But the 5D-iv has to be, must be, the king of weddings and events, and have enough differentiation to get Tom, Dick, and Harry's like me to willingly plop down $3500. And there will be Canon users who want ~36MP at a reasonable price, and that is where a 6D-ii can slot in. With the 5DS-ii getting a much better AF, and >50MP.

Well if Tom, Dick and Harry are all paid photographers (doing weddings/events) then they can pony up the cash for the 1DXII. If you are Canon, don't you want people making money from your kit spending more on Canon? Why would you want to sell a $3600 camera to a paid professional when really you want that person buying the $6000 camera?

The 6DII will not have more MP than the 5DIV, just as the 6D has less than the 5DIII. There's a certain amount of product pedigree there. That the 1DXII has less MP than other Canon cameras is made up for in pedigree by body and other features.

I've just read this whole thread. I have a 5D3 and a 7D2. I used the 1DX last week, sensor noise was great, shutter noise was awful. Each "photographer" has his/her own requirements for their styles. We shouldn't have to pay for the top-end cameras if what we have suits our needs. My 5D3 may never leave my bag. I have yet to want to smash it on the floor because of it's stupidly-archaic single sensor, because I needed that extra 1/2 stop of DR or because the metering wasn't linked to the AF point. I shot, I adapted, I moved on. I'm not sure why I should have to pay $6000 for a camera that I can make great images with..your point is lost with me.

The 5DS/R's came out, I pondered, I didn't buy. My work requires more low-light/high iso noise-control than MP. Someone will need this, that's why it was invented. If the 5D4 has many of the features that my 7D2 has, awesome. The fact that those features will be on a full-frame with perhaps a few more tweaks: awesomerer .

I think people have to really sit down and think out their reasons for upgrading. When their current gear limits their ability to perform, upgrade. I've never been concerned with DXO/DR/how many picolitres or whatever size my pixels are. If the photos are good, they're good! Look back at Sports Illustrated and see how many spectacular shots were taken with "old/useless" tech contained in the 1D4. Sometimes our G.A.S. invades our logic. I'm guilty of that sometimes. I am currently struggling with the 5D4/1DX2 upgrade question. It won't be answered for a few months, so until then, I'll just keep on using my old tech and making money.

Canon is in this business to make money. They market to sell. That's it. They don't give a rat's arse if people switch to Nikon. They weren't that invested in Canon anyway. I'd lose tens of thousands to switch, so I won't. Easy decision. I'm not a fanboy either. I just dumped my Canon 50mm for a Sigma ART and am extremely happy. I buy what I need to produce results for my clients.

As far as dual CFast cards, why would they include this in the 5D4 and not in the 1DX2? They won't.. SD cards limit me sometimes, but I do find that SD Mobi Pro's are great for my real estate/ interior design shoots. I'd love Cfast/CF, but I have no control over that, so I won't worry about it.

Jeff