Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Manual Available

[Jack Douglas]

These compromises are a pain, for sure. Still we must navigate them picking what bugs us least.

Now I'm thinking I'd love to touch screen flip through shots and the 1DX II doesn't have it. Then I think, on camera, how often do I need to quickly scan a lot of photos since I often do this during idle times while waiting for my subject to show up. So, not a big deal.

OTOH, to be able to to touch focus faces in live view and not just video - much bigger deal for me.

Jack

Live view focus is a lot more accurate too. I took a photo of a Puffin off teh coast of Ireland a few years back with my 5DIII and a ef 400mm f2.8 LIS with a 2x TC attached. Wide open, the shots were a little soft. But when I engaged the live view focus...the results were spectacularly sharp. To be honest, when I got the files back to my laptop, it was hard to tell from the 100% viewing in lightroom if there was or wasn't a TC attached. It was THAT sharp, but using the normal viewfinder focus (which is far more practical and faster) the results were a lot softer. The 5DIII's ability to track is excellent, but the live view is a lot more accurate. So I'd like to try out the new touch screen live view focusing and tracking ability. I think the 5D4 has a lot more to offer than paper specs and the usability of the live view functions are a game changer for many. I can still exposure bracket easier in Canon's live view than I can with any other brand.

I agree, and thanks for this. I'm watching CR comments trying to glean all I can before making what looks like a tough decision. They have made the 5D4 look very appealing from my perspective.

Jack

 

[GuyF]

So if some of you with the camera will, you have until February to point me in that direction.

I moved up to the 1DX2 from the 5D3 so obviously saw a major increase in performance. I would normally only shot RAW but since getting the 1DX2 I've shot in RAW + large JPEG (mainly to allow for quicker reviewing on my PC - why isn't there a Win 10 codec for reviewing the latest CR2 files?). I am very impressed with the straight out of camera appearance of the JPEG images. Clearly the need for cropping is image (and taste) dependant but I feel the level of detail in the images certainly gives quite a bit of scope for heavy cropping. Each of us has different expectations so your milleage may vary. Ultimately you have to ask what do you intend doing with any heavily cropped images? If creating large prints then, yes, extreme cropping of 20mp might pose a problem but if the images will just be viewed on a monitor then seeing images at 1:1 shouldn't be too much of an issue.

As for your other point regarding reviewing images on the rearscreen, just set it for the slideshow and let it do the rest.

1DX2? Come on in, the water's lovely.

 

[Jack Douglas]

Like I said every comment is being absorbed but I'll need some side by side 20 vs 30 before I can relax.

Jack

 

[Bernd Stuht]

The german Usermanual is also online for Download on the german Webside of Canon.

Greetings

Bernd

 

[arthurbikemad]

Like I said every comment is being absorbed but I'll need some side by side 20 vs 30 before I can relax.

Jack

You can already see images posted online of 5D4 v 1DX2, the 1DX2 images are softer if "peeping" but then at 10MP less they would be, I would gamble no matter how good the 5D4 is it will never be a 1DX2, the 1DX2 is FAST, fast to focus and fast FPS, with big lenses you want speed, low ISO and the power to drive the AF system at full speed, best option is to buy both but then if you need high MP why stop at 30MP when you can have 50MP. To me those where the real questions, I even think that some of my 5D3 images have been a "tad" sharper than the 1DX2, BUT the 5D3 is so slow AF wise you'd never want to use it again after the 1DX2, also on a side note the 5D3 fails every time from min FD to max FD with my 500/4ii, the 1DX2 nails it every time! I am interested later on to upgrade and see how the Mk4 will better the Mk3 AF wise. There are many benefits I am sure of the 5D4 all round, but for extreme shooting the 1DX2 is my choice, I have had to calm my need to "peep" at images and focus more on taking beautiful photographs, I think we (those who also love the tech of modern cameras) become consumed by IQ these days.

 

[Jack Douglas]

Like I said every comment is being absorbed but I'll need some side by side 20 vs 30 before I can relax.

Jack

You can already see images posted online of 5D4 v 1DX2, the 1DX2 images are softer if "peeping" but then at 10MP less they would be, I would gamble no matter how good the 5D4 is it will never be a 1DX2, the 1DX2 is FAST, fast to focus and fast FPS, with big lenses you want speed, low ISO and the power to drive the AF system at full speed, best option is to buy both but then if you need high MP why stop at 30MP when you can have 50MP. To me those where the real questions, I even think that some of my 5D3 images have been a "tad" sharper than the 1DX2, BUT the 5D3 is so slow AF wise you'd never want to use it again after the 1DX2, also on a side note the 5D3 fails every time from min FD to max FD with my 500/4ii, the 1DX2 nails it every time! I am interested later on to upgrade and see how the Mk4 will better the Mk3 AF wise. There are many benefits I am sure of the 5D4 all round, but for extreme shooting the 1DX2 is my choice, I have had to calm my need to "peep" at images and focus more on taking beautiful photographs, I think we (those who also love the tech of modern cameras) become consumed by IQ these days.

Thanks very much for your observations, and you are absolutely right. If I hadn't shot with the 1D4 for a few months I wouldn't appreciate your comments as much. So thankful I will be waiting until at least February to make this decision and watching for good commentary such as you and others provide! If I sell my 300 2.8 II I'm financially buoyant enough to handle the 1DX II. Maybe 60% of my shooting would be with the 400 DO II and X1.4/X2.

I guess in summary what you are saying is that a big white and a 1 series are meant for each other.

Jack

 

[arthurbikemad]

I guess so Jack, well that and the AF system on the 1 series always seems to have the edge, saying that we don't know how good the 5D4 is at this time, but given 1DX v 5D3 you could place a good bet. Like you I like to have good IQ etc, but the thing that always comes back to me is no matter how good the IQ if you miss focus...well...you know.. I like your style Jack, now I used to always talk a mate into buying something, that way I could get a good hands on before "I" buy haha, shame only one of my mates has the bug for photography and does not suffer from GAS!

 

[Jack Douglas]

I guess so Jack, well that and the AF system on the 1 series always seems to have the edge, saying that we don't know how good the 5D4 is at this time, but given 1DX v 5D3 you could place a good bet. Like you I like to have good IQ etc, but the thing that always comes back to me is no matter how good the IQ if you miss focus...well...you know.. I like your style Jack, now I used to always talk a mate into buying something, that way I could get a good hands on before "I" buy haha, shame only one of my mates has the bug for photography and does not suffer from GAS!

Sadly death took my camera buddy. We complemented each other like peas in a pod alternately buying gear and sharing the impressions and actual hard evidence. I plunged first on the 300 2.8 II, he first with the 1DX and I restrained since I knew a Mark II wasn't far away.

Funny how some gripe about CR and its personalities. I wouldn't want to give up on CR. Too many helpful folk with good information they are wiling to share!

Jack

 

[arthurbikemad]

I guess so Jack, well that and the AF system on the 1 series always seems to have the edge, saying that we don't know how good the 5D4 is at this time, but given 1DX v 5D3 you could place a good bet. Like you I like to have good IQ etc, but the thing that always comes back to me is no matter how good the IQ if you miss focus...well...you know.. I like your style Jack, now I used to always talk a mate into buying something, that way I could get a good hands on before "I" buy haha, shame only one of my mates has the bug for photography and does not suffer from GAS!

Sadly death took my camera buddy. We complemented each other like peas in a pod alternately buying gear and sharing the impressions and actual hard evidence. I plunged first on the 300 2.8 II, he first with the 1DX and I restrained since I knew a Mark II wasn't far away.

Funny how some gripe about CR and its personalities. I wouldn't want to give up on CR. Too many helpful folk with good information they are wiling to share!

Jack

Sorry to hear that Jack, most people round me (mainly my partner) get sick of me talking cameras and bikes.

 

[GuyF]

...most people round me (mainly my partner) get sick of me talking cameras and bikes.

Surely your name must've been a clue? Hang on, is "Bikemad" not a real surname?

 

[Jack Douglas]

I guess so Jack, well that and the AF system on the 1 series always seems to have the edge, saying that we don't know how good the 5D4 is at this time, but given 1DX v 5D3 you could place a good bet. Like you I like to have good IQ etc, but the thing that always comes back to me is no matter how good the IQ if you miss focus...well...you know.. I like your style Jack, now I used to always talk a mate into buying something, that way I could get a good hands on before "I" buy haha, shame only one of my mates has the bug for photography and does not suffer from GAS!

Sadly death took my camera buddy. We complemented each other like peas in a pod alternately buying gear and sharing the impressions and actual hard evidence. I plunged first on the 300 2.8 II, he first with the 1DX and I restrained since I knew a Mark II wasn't far away.

Funny how some gripe about CR and its personalities. I wouldn't want to give up on CR. Too many helpful folk with good information they are wiling to share!

Jack

Sorry to hear that Jack, most people round me (mainly my partner) get sick of me talking cameras and bikes.

Had many bikes but gave that up when it was clear that I probably wasn't going to survive to enjoy my retirement. It was hard for sure.

Jack