Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Talk [CR1]
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NancyP said:
I think we all know, pretty much, what is going to happen. Canon has the high mp area covered with the 5DS/DSr.
The 5D4 will have a small increase in mp and a tiny bit more DR at base and high iso. In both areas it will be well below the sony 7rII. On the other hand, in y my opinion, Canon's 5 user interface, battery life, build and reliability are better than sony's.
I have been a Canon user since 1990 and I'm considering the change. I've been thinking about moving to Nikon but I don't see something similar to the 16-35 f4, 24-70 f2.8 and 100-400L is II or 70-300L is. If it did, I'll buy a 810 and a 750 as backup. Apparently, Sony does not have either lenses with the similar quality on that range. So i'll probably buy the new sony to be used with canon lenses and the 5D III as backup.
I work as an real state/interior photographer with 2 ts lenses, but my personal photography is travel (lifestyle, food, landscape, portraiture...)
Any one knows Nikon or Sony lenses for travel that can compete in IQ with the canon ones I mentioned above?
I respect other opinions since what we all look for is the equipment that better suits our needs and those are very personal opinions.
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My speculation on the 5D Mark IV specification
More than 24MP but less than 43MP
DIGIC 7
ISO 51,200, 102,400 or 204,800
Crop Function 1.3x 1.6x, 1:1, etc
More than 6fps but less than 10fps
CF+SD UHS-I card slot if 1080p resolution video stays or CFast/SD UHS-II card slot if 4K resolution video happens
GPS
WiFi with NFC (maybe)
No optical low-pass filter if MP is around 36MP
Same or upgrade AF system of the 7D Mark II
Ships by December 2015 or before August 2016.
It would be nice if Canon were to reuse the body of the 5D Mark III. Would save on reaccessorising
On a side note, don’t you wish that Canon did the R and non-R bodies with say the 70D? The cost of test marketing OLPF-free body would have been spread out to more users and a single OLPF-free 5DS body would have happened.
Anyone here wish Canon would use the a7R II’s image sensor on the 5D Mark IV? It would be nice.
More than 24MP but less than 43MP
DIGIC 7
ISO 51,200, 102,400 or 204,800
Crop Function 1.3x 1.6x, 1:1, etc
More than 6fps but less than 10fps
CF+SD UHS-I card slot if 1080p resolution video stays or CFast/SD UHS-II card slot if 4K resolution video happens
GPS
WiFi with NFC (maybe)
No optical low-pass filter if MP is around 36MP
Same or upgrade AF system of the 7D Mark II
Ships by December 2015 or before August 2016.
It would be nice if Canon were to reuse the body of the 5D Mark III. Would save on reaccessorising
On a side note, don’t you wish that Canon did the R and non-R bodies with say the 70D? The cost of test marketing OLPF-free body would have been spread out to more users and a single OLPF-free 5DS body would have happened.
Anyone here wish Canon would use the a7R II’s image sensor on the 5D Mark IV? It would be nice.
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dolina said:
36 MPIX, excellent 12800 iso or better, 6 fps+. I'd buy this Canon camera in a heart beat and forget everything about going dual system.
After the new SONY was announced - with its +++ list of options - you have to wonder how difficult this can be for Canon to deliver? By today's standard the 3 points above do not even look like a wish list but like the "bare necessities" unless Canon wants to fall flat on their faces as they did with the 5DIII.
However, with Canon it still seems a distant and elusive dream so realistically I have my preorder pending for the new SONY as my next "DSLR".
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Canon could always outsource to Sony. They have done it before and most recently with two of their premium PowerShot point and shots.Maiaibing said:
I would not mind shooting with a Sony image sensor. 60% of all smartphones uses a Sony-source camera part. iPhones uses em.
The current generation of medium format cameras uses CMOS image sensor from Sony and have native ISO of 204,800.
If Canon replicates a D810 then I think it'll need cost at par or less. They'll need to up the spec a bit to ask for $3,500
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dolina said:My speculation on the 5D Mark IV specification
More than 24MP but less than 43MP
DIGIC 7
ISO 51,200, 102,400 or 204,800
Crop Function 1.3x 1.6x, 1:1, etc
More than 6fps but less than 10fps
CF+SD UHS-I card slot if 1080p resolution video stays or CFast/SD UHS-II card slot if 4K resolution video happens
GPS
WiFi with NFC (maybe)
No optical low-pass filter if MP is around 36MP
Same or upgrade AF system of the 7D Mark II
Ships by December 2015 or before August 2016.
It would be nice if Canon were to reuse the body of the 5D Mark III. Would save on reaccessorising
On a side note, don’t you wish that Canon did the R and non-R bodies with say the 70D? The cost of test marketing OLPF-free body would have been spread out to more users and a single OLPF-free 5DS body would have happened.
Anyone here wish Canon would use the a7R II’s image sensor on the 5D Mark IV? It would be nice.
I don't think they will remove the OLPF since after all its a DSLR with video ambitions.
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Maiaibing said:
So, you were not able to get excellent photos with your 5DIII ?
General: There are for sure a lot of new developments in the Nikon/Sony area. And the last I want is telling something bad there about, but it seems like grass is always greener at the other side. Once you are on the other side, you will find out their problems and their shortcomings. But hey, that's live. Nobody is perfect !!!
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neuroanatomist said:Maiaibing said:
LOL!! Yeah, that happened. :If Canon falls just as flat with the 5DIV, they'll be LOLing all the way to the bank.
No. Canon is - as you well know - unhappy with their DSLR sales, have acknowledged that they missed the market with not having a high pixel offer that their customer's wanted and Canon's CEO has therefore recently laid out his plan for a turnaround. In addition Canon's camera division is loosing money - as just announced - after again missing their camera sales target Q1 this year.
Nobody in the Canon board are smiling when the camera division is discussed.
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FEBS said:
I am not the type to get every new gadget - unless its a real upgrade. So the comment was not to say the 5DIII does not take good pictures, it was about the failure to follow the inspiring 5DII with a worthy upgrade.
Even today my 5DII's deliverer wonderful shots. But they are aging and not up to today's standards. 7 years down the road now - and Canon still has not provided a worthy successor. That's my perspective. I actually just bought an el cheapo 6D because its IQ is slightly better than the 5DIII and the pixel difference insignificant.
Sure, 5DIII shooters are less likely to need an upgrade. But that does not cover the situation for all of us. And surprisingly many of us still shoot 5DII's.
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Maiaibing said:neuroanatomist said:Maiaibing said:
LOL!! Yeah, that happened. :
No. Canon is - as you well know - unhappy with their DSLR sales, have acknowledged that they missed the market with not having a high pixel offer that their customer's wanted and Canon's CEO has therefore recently laid out his plan for a turnaround. In addition Canon's camera division is loosing money - as just announced - after again missing their camera sales target Q1 this year.
Nobody in the Canon board are smiling when the camera division is discussed.
The 5DIII sold quite well in its market segment, as Canon previously indicated. It did not 'fall flat'.
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Maiaibing said:
But that's your idea there about. Don't tell me that the AF upgrade from 5d2 to 5d3 is a small upgrade. No it is a big difference. For that reason the 5d3 is a worthy successor of the 5d2, but hey if you don't use that AF ok, I can see your point. All these models are evolving in iq, i don't see any revolution on the market.
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FEBS said:
Maybe, for you. But for me it made very little difference in real world shooting.
I take a lot of action shots and took several thousands of shots with the 5DIII to test it. Before testing I was 100% sure I would buy the 5DIII for this reason alone. But no. I still had to take three frames with the 70-200 f/2.8 IS L II and 300mm f/2.8 IS L to be sure of one in focus - exactly as with the 5DII.
Sure, there where more 5DIII shots in focus, but I could not have changed my shooting style because of that.
I like to spend my money better. So I "upgraded" to the new 300mm f/2.8 L IS II instead. Frankly, also not worth the upgrade price from the previous version. Still, I feel much better about holding the 300mm f/2.8 L IS II in my hands today than I would looking at two heavily discounted 5DIII's and the old supertele.
YMMV.
(Apart from this Canon's current AF implementation is far behind Nikon's and needs a serious upgrade on both the hardware and software side)
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neuroanatomist said:Maiaibing said:
LOLZ. :
You found a new hat, I see.
Oh come on! All those dual cross type sensors of Nikon's...
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neuroanatomist said:Maiaibing said:
LOLZ. :
You found a new hat, I see.
Your level of non-argument never stops to amaze me. But it does not alter reality:
"Apart for the glaring differences in software AF options, lets see what dpreview says about this:
...the D7200's new autofocus system is a big deal. (...) What this means is that the camera will focus a whole lot better in low light conditions, across the entire frame. In other words, its non-central AF points will likely focus in dimmer conditions than any other DSLR out there, save for Nikon's own D750.
(...) It's a shame that this number isn't higher. The recently released Canon 7D Mark II itself offers a 150,000-pixel RGB+IR metering sensor which, like Nikon's cameras with 91k-pixel sensors, has enough resolution to even detect faces and focus on them during OVF shooting. But Nikon's algorithms for 3D tracking just seem to be better (Canon's iTR in the 7D Mark II is imprecise and laggy in comparison(...)"
This from dpreview which hardly can be accused for bashing Canon.
I'll be happy to provide more tests and reviews on the superiority of Nikon's current AF implementation compared to Canon's.
Why this is so aggrieving to you to face facts that you find need to try to ridicule and dodge any arguments I do not know. But I do know that you are a complete waste of time discussing anything with.
And so I'll stop henceforth.
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