Canon EOS 5D X Chatter Continues [CR0]

[wockawocka]

Keep it 21mp and go 8fps, 60 shot buffer, Cfast and SD UHS-II combined with on chip ADC we should have a winner.

 

[Fleetie]

I wonder if they are staying away from the number four because of it being unlucky in Japan and meaning death, hence the X instead of mk4.

Excuse me if I'm stating the obvious here.

Just to clarify this. The number four does not mean death, the word "shi" which is Japanese for four ("see" in Thai, "sei" in Cantonese "suh" in Mandarin) just sounds like the word for death.

Across Asia many buildings will not have a fourth floor. Some do, some don't depending on the owner and his/her beliefs.

"Four" in Mandarin is actually "si(4)". It sounds similar to "si(3)" which is "dead", but they have different tones (as indicated).

 

[aclectasis]

This is hilarious. CRG having to shittalk someone who's famous for garbage rumours. Main page stuff. This is brilliant. Classic.

 

[expatinasia]

I wonder if they are staying away from the number four because of it being unlucky in Japan and meaning death, hence the X instead of mk4.

Excuse me if I'm stating the obvious here.

Just to clarify this. The number four does not mean death, the word "shi" which is Japanese for four ("see" in Thai, "sei" in Cantonese "suh" in Mandarin) just sounds like the word for death.

Across Asia many buildings will not have a fourth floor. Some do, some don't depending on the owner and his/her beliefs.

"Four" in Mandarin is actually "si(4)". It sounds similar to "si(3)" which is "dead", but they have different tones (as indicated).

You are right in that four in Mandarin is "si", but is pronounced suh (which is what I wrote).

Anyway, back to cameras.....

 

[RickWagoner]

yes it will have 4k...i guarantee it. Early Prototypes with limited functionality were tested a good bit last year in 5d2 bodies and 6d labeled bodies. The " select number of photographers " you speak of are Canon Ambassadors, the same people who have the Canon videos on new release. They have full functioning beta models but keep their mouths shut the best. Depending on how well Canon fulfills pre order of the 1dx2 after release and dealer stock then Canon will determine when the next 5D is going to be announced. It may come soon as NAB or will be put off until later this year if Canon is playing catch up on preorder or dealer stock of the 1dx2, they don't want the next 5D to hurt the first burst of 1dx2 sales like the 5d3 hurt the 1dx last time. They are ready to release the SL2 this year also, it will be a baby 70D in ways and will be a fun little SLR. No it will not have 4k as the 7D3 coming in 2017 will be the first Canon Crop to have that, Canon has a bunch of 7d3 testers in early forms in the states now btw. I don't know anything about the 6D personally and no one in the state's tests anything mirrorless from Canon ever..so no go for info there also.

How do you know all this? That's a lot of detail you're presenting as hard fact.

Used to work in the industry, Still dab in from time to time, still know lots of people inside i guess. you will see..

 

[pwp]

Go double CFAST and be done with it. This different card nonsense is a pain in the ass.

Not gonna happen. Even the new 1D doesn't have dual CFAST.

You're almost certainly right there. But we'll see...
The 1DX MkIII or 1DX MkIIn won't be laying the plain dumb mixed card folly on us though. Twin CFast for sure.

-pw

 

[Zv]

We've had a camera with a 4 in the name before - 1D MKIV and that worked out just fine. This 5DX idea sounds like nonsense.

Same with the megapixel count being higher than 24. For those wedding photographers that need a high MP camera they already have the 5DS(r).

Those who shoot weddings and events regularly take thousands of pics and need to edit those quickly. I doubt they want to be bogged down with large files that clog up their hardware and slow down their workflow. 24MP is fine for printing at most of the usual sizes that go into an album.

The 5D3 is already a winning formula, why mess with it too much?

Not sure why some folk want this weird in between figure of 36MP?? What do you do that needs more resolution than 20MP but not all the way to 50MP? Because 50 is too much??

 

[Maleko]

Go double CFAST and be done with it. This different card nonsense is a pain in the ass.

Not gonna happen. Even the new 1D doesn't have dual CFAST.

You're almost certainly right there. But we'll see...
The 1DX MkIII or 1DX MkIIn won't be laying the plain dumb mixed card folly on us though. Twin CFast for sure.

-pw

Can't wait for that day!

 

[Mr Majestyk]

I am surprised that you have quoted him, Craig. Everyone laughs at him at DPR.

Anyways, I agree with you about 28MP. It is highly unlikely. 24MP is more likely. My feeling is that DPAF would be the main reason not to go above 24MP. I mean, processing 56MP of data for image as well as for continuous AF at the same time would require lots of processing power, we are unlikely see it in current iteration (unless Canon uses Samsung's processing technology, very unlikely). There are other reasons too.

Not really. Current 80D is 24MP with DPAF and makes do with a single digic 6(+). Even a 30MP FF with DPAF would be no issue for a digic 7 with it's likely 40-60% higher throughput. It's more a matter of whether they can make the yields good enough when they go past 24MP with DPAF

 

[Ladislav]

If the new model had 4k video, what would that mean for CPU? Does it mean that it will have DIGIC7 when 1DX MkII was released "only" with dual DIGIC6+ or is it going to be another body with dual DIGIC6+?

 

[Ozarker]

It may come soon as NAB or will be put off until later this year if Canon is playing catch up on preorder or dealer stock of the 1dx2, they don't want the next 5D to hurt the first burst of 1dx2 sales like the 5d3 hurt the 1dx last time.

Um, the 1DX was released 13 months later than the 5D Mark III. Please tell us how the 5D III release in March of 2012 hurt the sales of the 1DX released in April of 2013. Also, how do you know it hurt sales at all?

If your ear is planted so firmly to the ground then why not just leak the 5DX specs to us all now? :

 

[Ozarker]

What about memory card slots? The former rumor said the next 5D camera will feature a CFAST and a SD slot. To me this would mean replace all my CF cards. I do not use SD card at all in my DSLRs. I'd rather have a CFAST and a CF slot and dismiss the SD one. Opinions?

Roman, I recently discovered the beauty of leaving the SD card out. I shoot full size raw and the buffer never seems to end. Maybe the SD slot is for the Magic Lantern : guys? I think it runs off the sd card if I recall correctly.

 

[Ozarker]

yes it will have 4k...i guarantee it. Early Prototypes with limited functionality were tested a good bit last year in 5d2 bodies and 6d labeled bodies. The " select number of photographers " you speak of are Canon Ambassadors, the same people who have the Canon videos on new release. They have full functioning beta models but keep their mouths shut the best. Depending on how well Canon fulfills pre order of the 1dx2 after release and dealer stock then Canon will determine when the next 5D is going to be announced. It may come soon as NAB or will be put off until later this year if Canon is playing catch up on preorder or dealer stock of the 1dx2, they don't want the next 5D to hurt the first burst of 1dx2 sales like the 5d3 hurt the 1dx last time. They are ready to release the SL2 this year also, it will be a baby 70D in ways and will be a fun little SLR. No it will not have 4k as the 7D3 coming in 2017 will be the first Canon Crop to have that, Canon has a bunch of 7d3 testers in early forms in the states now btw. I don't know anything about the 6D personally and no one in the state's tests anything mirrorless from Canon ever..so no go for info there also.

How do you know all this? That's a lot of detail you're presenting as hard fact.

Used to work in the industry, Still dab in from time to time, still know lots of people inside i guess. you will see..

You got fired right? For leaking bad GAS?

 

[Meteora]

I wonder if they are staying away from the number four because of it being unlucky in Japan and meaning death, hence the X instead of mk4.

Excuse me if I'm stating the obvious here.

EOS-1D Mark IV

You are absolutely right. I'm an asian so I ensure you that this peculiar culture does exist. I think it is called Tetraphobia. However, the name of 1D MK4 can be seen as an example that Canon may not be that superstitious.

 

[Ozarker]

yes it will have 4k...i guarantee it. Early Prototypes with limited functionality were tested a good bit last year in 5d2 bodies and 6d labeled bodies. The " select number of photographers " you speak of are Canon Ambassadors, the same people who have the Canon videos on new release. They have full functioning beta models but keep their mouths shut the best. Depending on how well Canon fulfills pre order of the 1dx2 after release and dealer stock then Canon will determine when the next 5D is going to be announced. It may come soon as NAB or will be put off until later this year if Canon is playing catch up on preorder or dealer stock of the 1dx2, they don't want the next 5D to hurt the first burst of 1dx2 sales like the 5d3 hurt the 1dx last time. They are ready to release the SL2 this year also, it will be a baby 70D in ways and will be a fun little SLR. No it will not have 4k as the 7D3 coming in 2017 will be the first Canon Crop to have that, Canon has a bunch of 7d3 testers in early forms in the states now btw. I don't know anything about the 6D personally and no one in the state's tests anything mirrorless from Canon ever..so no go for info there also.

How do you know all this? That's a lot of detail you're presenting as hard fact.

Used to work in the industry, Still dab in from time to time, still know lots of people inside i guess. you will see..

I also used to sell cameras at Walmart. Used to be part of my job to walk over to Kmart and get rumors there.

 

[Ozarker]

Guys, it will be a 5DX, 10-12 fps, CFAST and blah blah who cares about video.

 

[RickWagoner]

yes it will have 4k...i guarantee it. Early Prototypes with limited functionality were tested a good bit last year in 5d2 bodies and 6d labeled bodies. The " select number of photographers " you speak of are Canon Ambassadors, the same people who have the Canon videos on new release. They have full functioning beta models but keep their mouths shut the best. Depending on how well Canon fulfills pre order of the 1dx2 after release and dealer stock then Canon will determine when the next 5D is going to be announced. It may come soon as NAB or will be put off until later this year if Canon is playing catch up on preorder or dealer stock of the 1dx2, they don't want the next 5D to hurt the first burst of 1dx2 sales like the 5d3 hurt the 1dx last time. They are ready to release the SL2 this year also, it will be a baby 70D in ways and will be a fun little SLR. No it will not have 4k as the 7D3 coming in 2017 will be the first Canon Crop to have that, Canon has a bunch of 7d3 testers in early forms in the states now btw. I don't know anything about the 6D personally and no one in the state's tests anything mirrorless from Canon ever..so no go for info there also.

How do you know all this? That's a lot of detail you're presenting as hard fact.

Used to work in the industry, Still dab in from time to time, still know lots of people inside i guess. you will see..

I also used to sell cameras at Walmart. Used to be part of my job to walk over to Kmart and get rumors there.

lol Never sold Camera myself...i worked in the women's undie department..haha

 

[RickWagoner]

yes it will have 4k...i guarantee it. Early Prototypes with limited functionality were tested a good bit last year in 5d2 bodies and 6d labeled bodies. The " select number of photographers " you speak of are Canon Ambassadors, the same people who have the Canon videos on new release. They have full functioning beta models but keep their mouths shut the best. Depending on how well Canon fulfills pre order of the 1dx2 after release and dealer stock then Canon will determine when the next 5D is going to be announced. It may come soon as NAB or will be put off until later this year if Canon is playing catch up on preorder or dealer stock of the 1dx2, they don't want the next 5D to hurt the first burst of 1dx2 sales like the 5d3 hurt the 1dx last time. They are ready to release the SL2 this year also, it will be a baby 70D in ways and will be a fun little SLR. No it will not have 4k as the 7D3 coming in 2017 will be the first Canon Crop to have that, Canon has a bunch of 7d3 testers in early forms in the states now btw. I don't know anything about the 6D personally and no one in the state's tests anything mirrorless from Canon ever..so no go for info there also.

How do you know all this? That's a lot of detail you're presenting as hard fact.

Used to work in the industry, Still dab in from time to time, still know lots of people inside i guess. you will see..

You got fired right? For leaking bad GAS?

poooofff ;D

 

[kevl]

24 to 28 MP is a sweet spot. Sometimes I feel like my 5D3 doesn't quite have enough MP for my work. I tend to end up cropping just a little bit and make 12x18" files at 300dpi. I would like to be able to make larger files at 300dpi without resizing but the truth is that you don't need 300dpi for larger sizes... so perhaps everything is OK as it is.

24MP would be just fine for me. Better dynamic range. Dual Pixel stuff would be nice. 4K would be nice, but I think it is mostly a PR thing. If you're doing 4K video there are still going to be better, less expensive, options out there. If you're flying your camera in a rig a mirrorless is going to be much easier to control than a heavy DSLR.

People keep thinking that Canon is behind the times by lacking 4K and the like. They know that while there is a segment of their customers who need to have video for some work that DSLRs are just no longer the right tool for the job. Mirrorless is a superior tool for a lot of reasons that just putting an amazing sensor in a DSLR could never trump. So why should Canon chase customers who aren't going to buy their products anyway?

As for FPS... this is not a sports camera.

 

[RickWagoner]

It may come soon as NAB or will be put off until later this year if Canon is playing catch up on preorder or dealer stock of the 1dx2, they don't want the next 5D to hurt the first burst of 1dx2 sales like the 5d3 hurt the 1dx last time.

Um, the 1DX was released 13 months later than the 5D Mark III. Please tell us how the 5D III release in March of 2012 hurt the sales of the 1DX released in April of 2013. Also, how do you know it hurt sales at all?

If your ear is planted so firmly to the ground then why not just leak the 5DX specs to us all now? :

I don't know what the name is, have not heard anything 5D in the name since the 5ds testers came through or the later 5d2 bodies with very limited test functions later that year. Have not seen anything since then, this tells me Canon was in the final stages of prototyping. Have some rough specs and some for sure specs, won't give them out just in case the tester or source of the tester is the only one to have that spec'd tester and Canon can find out who it is. I can easily say what i know about the 7d3 because there are lots of them out in the wild with 24mp sensors and I know Canon is saving 4k in a crop body for a big body release which makes sense for the 7d3 (plus the dual chips,faster card slots).

Canon is not in a rush to announce the next 5d though, esp since Nikon is not "that" close to a 4k 8 series body. If it is coming to NAB then the Rumor sites will have more info at the end of this month, as release draws closer the marketing and people who work in distribution will spill some beans (usually the companies that do the manuals or boxing). A few weeks before announcement the Asian sellers will leak most if not all of the info like THEY ALWAYS DO!

People i know at my level test different elements out long before any of those people get their info or access. Like the testing of the rubber seals on the 7d2 or the release and tension of a mode dial from the error or bug finding in the metering. Sometimes we know what camera it is for sometimes we don't but can easily guess it. Full frame bodies are tougher to know because the parts are easily interchangeable and the release of the next model is so close to another full frame. With crop bodies it is much much much easier because the release from one body to the next is worked on at very different times and the features are very different lots of times.