Canon EOS 5D X Speculation
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Tijn
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To summarize the last 25 pages of rumor on this body:
It looks to be a 7D body (pretty much exact same button layout), but with a strange viewfinder bulge instead of pop-up flash (which would indicate FF), yet the viewfinder opening itself does not look like a classic FF one (rather, a crop or perhaps APS-H..?). However, some Smart persona noticed that the 1D X (FF) also has a visible viewfinder cutout, though it seems to be wider than the one in this picture. So this being a FF body with a 7D button layout (like a 5D mk3 with layout makeover) is not impossible; but it could also be APS-H.
If were APS-C, perhaps the bulge indicates a new nifty feature. IR AF assist, or IR flash trigger?
Other remarks:
- A new "rate" button; its placement suggests that it's to rate pictures with, not to change framerate.
- Dual card slot (icon seen at the top LCD in some picture).
- The original source shows pictures of two bodies, the 1D X and this new "mystery body" (probably 5D mk3).
- Bird photographed authentic and correct subspecies to the supposed location of this picture taken. (Helmeted Guineafowl)
- Missing "creative auto" mode on mode dial.
(akiskev's image, nicely done)
It looks to be a 7D body (pretty much exact same button layout), but with a strange viewfinder bulge instead of pop-up flash (which would indicate FF), yet the viewfinder opening itself does not look like a classic FF one (rather, a crop or perhaps APS-H..?). However, some Smart persona noticed that the 1D X (FF) also has a visible viewfinder cutout, though it seems to be wider than the one in this picture. So this being a FF body with a 7D button layout (like a 5D mk3 with layout makeover) is not impossible; but it could also be APS-H.
If were APS-C, perhaps the bulge indicates a new nifty feature. IR AF assist, or IR flash trigger?
Other remarks:
- A new "rate" button; its placement suggests that it's to rate pictures with, not to change framerate.
- Dual card slot (icon seen at the top LCD in some picture).
- The original source shows pictures of two bodies, the 1D X and this new "mystery body" (probably 5D mk3).
- Bird photographed authentic and correct subspecies to the supposed location of this picture taken. (Helmeted Guineafowl)
- Missing "creative auto" mode on mode dial.
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Ardea said:
I totally agree. As has been said countless times on here, they are both just tools for different jobs. Crop sensors are perfect for those wanting the extra reach. Yes, you could crop in PP, but why bother if you can get it right in-camera? And as pointed out earlier (I wasn't quick enough!), using the logic that only FF should have single-digit/pro designation means that the 1d series should never have been considered professional, being aps-h with a 1.3x crop.
And my vote goes to the 7d mkii. Why? Cos that's what I want to see!
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I promise you this Mr. Canon Person in Charge... if you get me a 7D2 and that 200-400/f4 lens by year's end, I promise that I will never consider jumping ship to Nikon again to get that spectacular 200-400/f4 lens, even though the D300s is a turd compared to my 7D and a steaming turd next to my 1D4.
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briansquibb said:
This I could go for, because it would have sufficient pixel density, and nearly the 1.6x crop... But, I really do hope that they do not merge the two lines. To me, it seems to be an advantage to specialize a little. Also, Nikon has both the D800 and the D400 up and coming. If Canon decides to drop the XD lineup into a single camera, this could cause many who are looking for a specific tool to look at the other side of the fence.
When fixing my truck, there are basicly two kids of wrenches: an adjustable wrench, and wrenches of many different sizes. I much prefer the exact wrench to the job than an all purpose wrench. In a camera, I want a camera optimized for wildlife/sports (what I primarily shoot). At some point, I will likely get a 5D. It will not be used for bird pictures or pitcher pictures. It would see its main use with landscape and portraits. I like to use 12mm wrenches on 12mm bolts, and 18mm wrenches on 18mm bolts. A camera which can do too much will do too little.
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Ardea said:
Yeah I think anything is possible here. It's also possible that this is is a full frame 7D and a 5D3 successor will follow later in the year with high mpx in response to Nikon D800. That would allow Canon to sell more 70Ds for the 1.6 crop crowd demanding reach and dense sensor for detail.
In this way Canon would have 3 full frame cameras:
1Dx (18mpx)
7Dx (18mpx)
5DII successor (maybe with the 39 mpx sensor for video as was intimated on another thread)
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surfing_geek said:
It's not that I want to see high-end crop sensors vanish, but it seems like Canon is perfectly happy to replace their 1.3x crop camera with a FF camera at the top. If they're willing to replace their high-end "professional" crop camera (which was aimed at sports / birding people), why wouldn't they adopt that strategy throughout their lineup?
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Axilrod said:Tijn said:To summarize the last 25 pages of rumor on this body:
(akiskev's image, nicely done)
Anyone else see those 4 little lights under the screen on the left? Wonder what those are for...
I think they are not lights but mic holes.
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Justin said:
I can say with 90% certainty that I am 100% certain Canon will have a xD pro body with a 1.6 crop sensor.
Sports and wildlife photographers WANT the crop, and all the features and weather sealing that come with a pro body.
I think more likely after merging the 1-series line would be keep 7D line for sports/nature, and somehow SPLIT the 5D line, either 2 different 5Ds, or maybe a new line (3D?) for video.
The 1DX is already he best of 7D and 5D... and then some.
Some specialization is still a good thing.
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Gcon said:
Yes, but at least have the option to trade effective reach for noise. Comparing a 5D2 to a 7D:
For a distant bird you can either get more detail on the bird with the 7D or a trace less noise (yes, when you are entirely distance limited the 7D can give a trace BETTER noise performance, at any ISO yes even ISO3200, than the 5D2 because it is slightly more efficient per area of sensor and the higher photosite density washes away more de-mosaic errors if you compare the images from the two cameras at normalized scale). [For non-distance limited it's a different story since the 5D2 sensor is much larger and that more than makes up for the slight difference in efficiency per area, assuming you maintain same aperture setting and don't adjust for DOF.]
At higher ISO there may be enough noise that fine details get washed away though and effective reach advantages get washed away. Even by ISO800 the 7D vs 5D2 effective reach advantage is already less than at ISO100. You still don't do worse for noise/aliasing/etc. though, actually a trace better.
And if you are sloppy and/or can't use high enough shutter speeds, if the focusing is a bit off, etc. then effective reach advantages also go away (but you still never do worse).
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Gcon said:
Assuming the intent is a common result such as a print of a given size, are you aware that cropping the image from a FF sensor down to the FoV of an APS-C sensor throws away all of the advantage the FF sensor provides? FWIW, it also eliminates the shallower DoF you started with on FF...
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Axilrod said:
the 5D2 has some sort of light there too and the holes are probably for the speaker or mic
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Ardea said:
YES! What is my upgrade path from the 7D? Kill off the 1D and eliminate f/8 focusing on it's FF "replacement." That's smart Canon. I love my white lenses but what will I use them on in the future? BTW, I shoot birds and wildlife.
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