Canon EOS 5Ds & EOS 5Ds R Image & Video Samples

[Aglet]

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Is there any way to tell from these images approximately how many stops of dynamic range the camera can produce?

can't do much with jpg files as there's too many hidden variables but, I suspect, it's still hovering close to 12 stops as DxOmark would measure it.
I'm really looking fwd to seeing it tested so I can do my smug-dance.

 

[Photo_e]

Re: Canon EOS 5Ds & EOS 5Ds R Image & Video Samples

Is there any way to tell from these images approximately how many stops of dynamic range the camera can produce?

can't do much with jpg files as there's too many hidden variables but, I suspect, it's still hovering close to 12 stops as DxOmark would measure it.
I'm really looking fwd to seeing it tested so I can do my smug-dance.

I hope no-one will be dancing if it is only 12 stops (except maybe Nikon and Sony).

 

[V8Beast]

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FWIW, I wasn't too impressed with the tonal gradation at ISO 400 in the fantasy scene either.

For a high-res body, this is a much bigger priority for me than DR. Canon has closed the resolution gap between 35mm and medium format, but I'm skeptical that any full-frame sensor can close the overall IQ gap between 35mm and MF. I know it's not a fair comparison, but Canon's the one making the comparison in its own press release

As for DR, according to this preview, the 5Ds' DR is the same as the 5D3.

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Canon-EOS-5Ds.aspx

 

[Aglet]

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I hope no-one will be dancing if it is only 12 stops (except maybe Nikon and Sony).

Even if it's improved over the 5d3/2 s as much as the 7d2 was over the 7D, Canon users are gonna be very happy with this machine. There's lots of good stuff in it that will be every-day-helpful.
I just don't think it will be so much better that it would coax me back from the other brands I use.

 

[K-amps]

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Its not a Sony Sensor... Canon confirms this at the start of the video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hl6AKRadEsw

 

[Aglet]

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FWIW, I wasn't too impressed with the tonal gradation at ISO 400 in the fantasy scene either.

For a high-res body, this is a much bigger priority for me than DR. Canon has closed the resolution gap between 35mm and medium format, but I'm skeptical that any full-frame sensor can close the overall IQ gap between 35mmand MF. I know it's not a fair comparison, but Canon's the one making the comparison in its own press release

As for DR, according to this preview, the 5Ds' DR is the same as the 5D3.

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Canon-EOS-5Ds.aspx

Even the exmor types are getting near the physics limits of technology so if Canon's still off-sensor digitizing with the pair of Digic processors then we may still be seeing some read noise issues which, combined with the smaller pixels, will make for somewhat noisier images when pixel-peepin. Down-sampling/printing at higher ppi will make some of that disappear but, from what little I've seen so far, I'm not gonna hold my breath in anticipation of a breakthru here. i think we'll be seeing a FF version of the 7D2's abilities. An improvement for sure, but not a panacea.

edit - typo fix

 

[R1-7D]

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lots of resolution available, but the OOC jpg is still showing plenty of characteristic Canon noise in blue sky at base ISO. This doesn't feel like an Exmor type sensor unless there's been a sudden jump in per-pixel noise with those smaller photosites.
Any further info on what's in the box yet?

I'll still stay with my ABC cameras for now, 5dsr doesn't appear to do me any favors over an 800e at that price.

Really? Noise in the blue sky? I'm not really seeing it...even when I zoom in it looks good.

I did find, however, what I think is a small piece of sensor dust in the photo if you look just slightly right of the helicopter next to the volcano on the left.

 

[V8Beast]

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Even the exmor types are getting near the physics limits of technology so if Canon's still off-sensor digitizing with the pair of Digic processors then we may still be seeing some read noise issues which, combined with the smaller pixels, will make for somewhat noisier images when pixel-peepin.

I wish someone made a camera with a super-sized Exmor and 50 megapixels to boot. Oh wait, Pentax does

I don't need the extra 28 megapixels, and I sure as hell don't want to sacrifice 1 stop of ISO performance and 1 FPS, so I'll stick with my 5D3. IMHO, if you really need medium format IQ, you need to get an MF body.

That said, I'm glad Canon shooters waiting for a high-res body now have a viable option. I'm sure the 5Ds will make a lot of people happy.

 

[Aglet]

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lots of resolution available, but the OOC jpg is still showing plenty of characteristic Canon noise in blue sky at base ISO. This doesn't feel like an Exmor type sensor unless there's been a sudden jump in per-pixel noise with those smaller photosites.
Any further info on what's in the box yet?

I'll still stay with my ABC cameras for now, 5dsr doesn't appear to do me any favors over an 800e at that price.

Really? Noise in the blue sky? I'm not really seeing it...even when I zoom in it looks good.

I did find, however, what I think is a small piece of sensor dust in the photo if you look just slightly right of the helicopter next to the volcano on the left.

2 helis, 3 planes, I do see a dust circle where you stated.
Much of the blue sky noise present is jpg compression, but there is also some fine structure to the noise, visible in some areas, which may hint at some residual canon-style noise structures in the raw files.
I'll have to see real raw files.
Otherwise this is a decent performance. I do like the detail and sharpness is reasonable even tho diffraction limited.

 

[heptagon]

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The 5DS R samples are shot at aperture F/11 to hide the moire. They should have been shot with f/4 or f/5.6 to achieve maximum image sharpness in the center.

 

[Aglet]

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I wish someone made a camera with a super-sized Exmor and 50 megapixels to boot. Oh wait, Pentax does
I don't need the extra 28 megapixels, and I sure as hell don't want to sacrifice 1 stop of ISO performance and 1 FPS, so I'll stick with my 5D3. IMHO, if you really need medium format IQ, you need to get an MF body.

Yes, I've been thinking about 645z myself as I start to push my d800/e bodies in some situations.

That said, I'm glad Canon shooters waiting for a high-res body now have a viable option. I'm sure the 5Ds will make a lot of people happy.

+1. Even if it's a FF 7D2 for IQ, it's gonna be pretty darn good!
And I've been spoiled by 2.5+ yrs worth of d800 use.

 

[Mancubus]

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I was definitely expecting more from these cameras. I know it's not an official review yet but I don't see a reason to buy this yet, especially knowing that the 5d4 will be coming later.

The only excuse I see for buying this over the 5d3 is if you really need all those pixels, apparently no improvement on image quality.

 

[V8Beast]

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Yes, I've been thinking about 645z myself as I start to push my d800/e bodies in some situations.

If you get the Pentax, please give me your impressions of it, especially as it compares to the D800. Everyone seems to be raving over this thing, and I might make for a good tax write-off

 

[V8Beast]

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The only excuse I see for buying this over the 5d3 is if you really need all those pixels, apparently no improvement on image quality.

Yeah, the poorer ISO performance is disappointing, but then again, it's a studio/landscape camera and it's not intended to be a 5D3 replacement. Nevertheless, the D800 had triple the resolution and superior ISO performance compared to the D700, so as consumers it's easy to get greedy and want it all

 

[Sporgon]

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I was definitely expecting more from these cameras. I know it's not an official review yet but I don't see a reason to buy this yet, especially knowing that the 5d4 will be coming later.

The only excuse I see for buying this over the 5d3 is if you really need all those pixels, apparently no improvement on image quality.

Canon obviously don't think you need all those extra pixels: two of those shots were at f11 on a 24-70 II !

 

[martti]

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These sensors will require a set of new standards on the models'skin quality and the skills of the make-up artists.
They will be a direct hit on the medium-format digital market. Pretty impressive and way beyond my scope.

 

[Alefoto]

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I still see the usual canon noise in the dark.
If you look at the ancient book image, the book rim or the wood support do have noise and it's only 200 iso...
Before making more conclusions I would like to see the raw file but the jpg so far is not impressive

 

[Alefoto]

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"This sample movie was shot in Full HD mode, and has been optimized for viewing on this website."

Canon, why would I want to view a 960x540 video to evaluate the Full HD capability of your recently released camera? Try to be less insufferable, would ya?

Definitely quoting this!!

 

[Bennymiata]

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And it will still be many months before they will be available to buy, and by then, Nikon would have put out ANOTHER 2 cycles of models, and the new Canons will be old news.

 

[pulseimages]

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I was definitely expecting more from these cameras. I know it's not an official review yet but I don't see a reason to buy this yet, especially knowing that the 5d4 will be coming later.

The only excuse I see for buying this over the 5d3 is if you really need all those pixels, apparently no improvement on image quality.

You took the words right out of my mouth. When I saw the image samples I was so disappointed. Where is the so called 50 megapixels of details that Canon is bragging about?

Especially in this image? I mean is it me or is this image not subpar?

https://www.dropbox.com/s/732t1la00hx3lj7/eos_5dsr_lcd.jpg?dl=0