Canon EOS 6D Mark II Dynamic Range Talk & Sample Images

[Loswr]

Re: Canon EOS 6D Mark II Dynamic Range Talk & Sample Images

Not surprisingly if u check DXOmark site (u can find sh*t there too but as a general reference it's not bad), and compare there lenses on A7RII vs 5D4, u will find that A7RII+Sony lenses beat the crap out of 5D4+Canon lenses especially in regards of sharpness (resolution) which is by far the most important value imho.

So, when you compared the a7RII + Sony lenses to the 5DsR + Canon lenses, what did you learn in regards of sharpness (resolution) which is by far the most important value iyho? Who 'beat the crap out of' who?

 

[ahsanford]

Re: Canon EOS 6D Mark II Dynamic Range Talk & Sample Images

Not surprisingly if u check DXOmark site (u can find sh*t there too but as a general reference it's not bad), and compare there lenses on A7RII vs 5D4, u will find that A7RII+Sony lenses beat the crap out of 5D4+Canon lenses especially in regards of sharpness (resolution) which is by far the most important value imho.

If sharpness is the most important thing, tell me something: why doesn't everyone shoot Sigma Art primes? They are the sharpest, right? So everyone should use them.

Sony's 'great' GM lenses are focus by wire, overpriced, and very uncomfortable to hold with a dainty A7/A9 standard grip. They also leave no room for your fingers. So, yes, Sony excels at some aspects of their lens design but makes horrible decisions elsewhere. (Sounds a lot like how they design their bodies. :)

Enjoy your GM glass, dude. I'll take a comfortable/solid 5D grip, ring USM and FTM mechanical focusing every. day. of. the. week. over that nonsense.

- A

 

[Point22]

Re: Canon EOS 6D Mark II Dynamic Range Talk & Sample Images

What? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opaq1vOs4HI&t=138s

 

[ahsanford]

Re: Canon EOS 6D Mark II Dynamic Range Talk & Sample Images

What? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opaq1vOs4HI&t=138s

I'm not one to stick up for Canon marketeers riffing without a script on YouTube, but it's not necessarily a contradictory statement.

One thing that hasn't been beaten up that much is the difference between the Base ISO DR and the quality of highly massaged/manipulated output. For instance, a camera that has the same DR as its predecessor but eliminates the predecessor's noise patterns/banding/etc. would conceivably allow more shadow lift before it crosses a threshold of being overcooked and looking unpleasant.

I am no noise whisperer, so I defer to the folks with a stronger theoretical (BClaff) or practical post-processing experience to speak to that. It's possible the 6D2 made strides in how much you can tweak a file despite not improving its DR.

- A

 

[LonelyBoy]

Re: Canon EOS 6D Mark II Dynamic Range Talk & Sample Images

The older generation IS is not as effective as we have today. And there's an issue typical for the EF 70-200/4L IS - the slipping AF, when both AF and manual focus stop working properly. I'm not sure if Canon fixed the design, maybe the newly produced copies do not have that problem anymore (I hope).
However, I agree, it's one of Canon's best L zooms. The mark II version might just be bigger, heavier and more expensive, but not much better optically. So, it's not a win-win situation, in my opinion.
What I would like to see instead, is the new small EF 100-300mm F5.6L IS.

Well, to be honest, I sold my copy exactly for that AF slippage, two repairs during warranty, so I sold it for a bargain price with full diclaimer to the new owner and he's been happy as a bug, because five years from now, he didn't experience a single issue with that lens. Guess I'm just very unlucky. But that could be remedied even in the original version. Problem with mk II would be - as you accurately pointed already - significant increase of price and a bit better IS, but sharpness is almost as good as it gets and there is a very diminishing return even with a steep price hike...

It's possible, and even probable, that they resolved a design issue with the system and your second repair got the improved part. Think of the BMW HPFPs, that would fail every few months for years until they resolved it, then replacements and new cars were fine. They do make rolling changes to lenses (and probably bodies and flashes) - my 24-105L has new-style, low-profile switches instead of the big chunky ones on the older examples. No idea if it's solved the harness/ reliability issue, but they do make changes over the years under the same lens name.

 

[ecka]

Re: Canon EOS 6D Mark II Dynamic Range Talk & Sample Images

What? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opaq1vOs4HI&t=138s

I'm not one to stick up for Canon marketeers riffing without a script on YouTube, but it's not necessarily a contradictory statement.

One thing that hasn't been beaten up that much is the difference between the Base ISO DR and the quality of highly massaged/manipulated output. For instance, a camera that has the same DR as its predecessor but eliminates the predecessor's noise patterns/banding/etc. would conceivably allow more shadow lift before it crosses a threshold of being overcooked and looking unpleasant.

I am no noise whisperer, so I defer to the folks with a stronger theoretical (BClaff) or practical post-processing experience to speak to that. It's possible the 6D2 made strides in how much you can tweak a file despite not improving its DR.

- A

What stops you from getting some 6D2 RAW files and try to push them in photoshop? Because I did just that and the DR is really bad. As bad as 5D2 or maybe even worse, because in some shots that ugly shadow noise is visible even before I touch any sliders.

The dude from the video said that he will replace his 5D4 with 6D2. I can't decide if that's funny or sad. Maybe both. If all important design decision are made by such comedians, then no wonder why we've got a lemon.

 

[StudentOfLight]

Re: Canon EOS 6D Mark II Dynamic Range Talk & Sample Images

What? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opaq1vOs4HI&t=138s

I'm not one to stick up for Canon marketeers riffing without a script on YouTube, but it's not necessarily a contradictory statement.

One thing that hasn't been beaten up that much is the difference between the Base ISO DR and the quality of highly massaged/manipulated output. For instance, a camera that has the same DR as its predecessor but eliminates the predecessor's noise patterns/banding/etc. would conceivably allow more shadow lift before it crosses a threshold of being overcooked and looking unpleasant.

I am no noise whisperer, so I defer to the folks with a stronger theoretical (BClaff) or practical post-processing experience to speak to that. It's possible the 6D2 made strides in how much you can tweak a file despite not improving its DR.

- A

What stops you from getting some 6D2 RAW files and try to push them in photoshop? Because I did just that and the DR is really bad. As bad as 5D2 or maybe even worse, because in some shots that ugly shadow noise is visible even before I touch any sliders.

The dude from the video said that he will replace his 5D4 with 6D2. I can't decide if that's funny or sad. Maybe both. If all important design decision are made by such comedians, then no wonder why we've got a lemon.

This "Billy Wilhelm" character steals other content creator's videos. You should not share the links to the stolen videos.

Here is the original video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jv26s0BHKuQ&t=138s

 

[Point22]

Re: Canon EOS 6D Mark II Dynamic Range Talk & Sample Images

What? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opaq1vOs4HI&t=138s

I'm not one to stick up for Canon marketeers riffing without a script on YouTube, but it's not necessarily a contradictory statement.

One thing that hasn't been beaten up that much is the difference between the Base ISO DR and the quality of highly massaged/manipulated output. For instance, a camera that has the same DR as its predecessor but eliminates the predecessor's noise patterns/banding/etc. would conceivably allow more shadow lift before it crosses a threshold of being overcooked and looking unpleasant.

I am no noise whisperer, so I defer to the folks with a stronger theoretical (BClaff) or practical post-processing experience to speak to that. It's possible the 6D2 made strides in how much you can tweak a file despite not improving its DR.

- A

What stops you from getting some 6D2 RAW files and try to push them in photoshop? Because I did just that and the DR is really bad. As bad as 5D2 or maybe even worse, because in some shots that ugly shadow noise is visible even before I touch any sliders.

The dude from the video said that he will replace his 5D4 with 6D2. I can't decide if that's funny or sad. Maybe both. If all important design decision are made by such comedians, then no wonder why we've got a lemon.

This "Billy Wilhelm" character steals other content creator's videos. You should not share the links to the stolen videos.

Here is the original video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jv26s0BHKuQ&t=138s

I apologize for my mistake.. Roman

 

[Jaysheldon]

Re: Canon EOS 6D Mark II Dynamic Range Talk & Sample Images

Nikon RAW files do not use a floating black point, Canon RAW files do, in these 'tests' you have to adjust the black point to not clip first, then you have a playing field closer to level.

This is more important than people might first think.

More information on the topic is available at Mr Clark's informative web pages: http://www.clarkvision.com/articles/canon.raw.processing1

Hell of a lot more effort with results in all honesty not really being much better.

The thing is that scene is pretty static so why you wouldnt make a bracket is just silly albeit not as convenient but even the best DR cameras would struggle with this scene.

Perhaps the way to interpret the Clarkvision post is that this is the right way to process Canon images that are pushed to the left when you can't bracket?

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

Re: Canon EOS 6D Mark II Dynamic Range Talk & Sample Images

6D MK II's started delivering today, so people can start discussing actual production cameras rather than 6 month old prototypes or specification sheets.

While I expect the Dynamic Range results to be the same or similar, its always better to use images from several production cameras, so at least, the results mean something.

 

[CanonGuy]

Re: Canon EOS 6D Mark II Dynamic Range Talk & Sample Images

We are talking about lack of DR, omission of 4k etc. Meanwhile, Nikon announces d850 which will do 8K timelapses And attached image is a frame grab from d850 RAW video (yes it's from video)!!!

Yup one doesn't need 'DR' to be a 'good'' photographer. But I think I found my next purchase. Enough with tolerating Canon's BS (kinda hesitant to switch to Sony due to the pricier native lenses. but I am sold on the d850).

 

[privatebydesign]

Re: Canon EOS 6D Mark II Dynamic Range Talk & Sample Images

We are talking about lack of DR, omission of 4k etc. Meanwhile, Nikon announces d850 which will do 8K timelapses And attached image is a frame grab from d850 RAW video (yes it's from video)!!!

Yup one doesn't need 'DR' to be a 'good'' photographer. But I think I found my next purchase. Enough with tolerating Canon's BS (kinda hesitant to switch to Sony due to the pricier native lenses. but I am sold on the d850).

So what, the 5DS/r has been able to shoot 9k time lapses for quite a while now. Go, enjoy the other side of the fence, we don't care.

 

[Khalai]

Re: Canon EOS 6D Mark II Dynamic Range Talk & Sample Images

We are talking about lack of DR, omission of 4k etc. Meanwhile, Nikon announces d850 which will do 8K timelapses And attached image is a frame grab from d850 RAW video (yes it's from video)!!!

Yup one doesn't need 'DR' to be a 'good'' photographer. But I think I found my next purchase. Enough with tolerating Canon's BS (kinda hesitant to switch to Sony due to the pricier native lenses. but I am sold on the d850).

So what, the 5DS/r has been able to shoot 9k time lapses for quite a while now. Go, enjoy the other side of the fence, we don't care.

Grass is always greener on the other side of the fence. Because it's usually fertilized by bulls**t!

There is also quantum fence phenomenon - no matter which side of the fence you are standing on, the other one is always greener.

 

[Mikehit]

Re: Canon EOS 6D Mark II Dynamic Range Talk & Sample Images

What? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opaq1vOs4HI&t=138s

I'm not one to stick up for Canon marketeers riffing without a script on YouTube, but it's not necessarily a contradictory statement.

One thing that hasn't been beaten up that much is the difference between the Base ISO DR and the quality of highly massaged/manipulated output. For instance, a camera that has the same DR as its predecessor but eliminates the predecessor's noise patterns/banding/etc. would conceivably allow more shadow lift before it crosses a threshold of being overcooked and looking unpleasant.

I am no noise whisperer, so I defer to the folks with a stronger theoretical (BClaff) or practical post-processing experience to speak to that. It's possible the 6D2 made strides in how much you can tweak a file despite not improving its DR.

- A

What stops you from getting some 6D2 RAW files and try to push them in photoshop? Because I did just that and the DR is really bad. As bad as 5D2 or maybe even worse, because in some shots that ugly shadow noise is visible even before I touch any sliders.

Did you take the same shot with both cameras?

The dude from the video said that he will replace his 5D4 with 6D2. I can't decide if that's funny or sad. Maybe both. If all important design decision are made by such comedians, then no wonder why we've got a lemon.

Why is either funny or sad?
He has taken a decision based on his needs yet you still believe he is wrong. That is what is funny or sad.

 

[freezehead]

Re: Canon EOS 6D Mark II Dynamic Range Talk & Sample Images

I'd agree forum communities are only a minor number. However I do think people read reviews before making large purchases like Full Frame cameras. Magazine reviews will be interesting. They could break this camera. It's still a fine camera but Canon have given them something specific to be unhappy about. Alit of buyers may not understand dynamic range but it's something you might reasonably to have similar to its competitors. I think it was a tactical mistake by Canon. Their next full frame mirrorless or not needs to be fairly good all over.

Mainstream magazines, like most reviewers, strive for balance. DPR does not.

Have a skim through the smattering below, and tell me what in there you think will 'break this camera'.

[quote author=Outdoor Photographer]
Canon EOS 6D Mark II Hits The Sweet Spot
Taking it all together — price, performance, size and handling — the EOS 6D Mark II is an excellent package for outdoor photographers, especially those who primarily shoot landscapes and scenics. The camera’s max continuous shooting of 6.5 fps is perhaps short of what serious wildlife photographers would like, but it’s acceptably fast for most enthusiasts. Though the lack of 4K video may be a turn off for some, if you primarily shoot stills, the Full HD video quality is very good for those occasions when you do want to take movie clips.

Bottom line: The Canon EOS 6D Mark II is one of the most refined DSLRs we've used at any price, and an excellent option for enthusiasts photographers who are stepping up to full-frame.

[quote author=Imaging Resource]
Overall, the Canon 6D Mark II is an impressive camera. It is in many ways an incremental upgrade over its predecessor, which is a bit disappointing given the amount of time that's passed between the release of the two cameras. I would have hoped for some additional improvements, such as better video recording capabilities and perhaps a more impressive viewfinder autofocus system. But what the 6D II does bring to the table is the series' patented blend of performance and price. Its image sensor is very good, Dual Pixel CMOS AF is an excellent inclusion and the new articulating touchscreen display is very useful in the field. The new features the camera includes may not be enough to make all 6D owners want to upgrade, but for users looking for a great full-frame DSLR that won't break the bank, the Canon 6D Mark II may well be an excellent option.
[/quote]

[quote author=Ken Rockwell (sort of)]
Please help feed my family by buying the 6D Mark II using the links below.
[/quote]

[quote author=TechRadar]
OUR EARLY VERDICT
Canon has made some significant improvements over the original 6D, with a fresh sensor, a faster processor, a more credible AF system and stronger burst rate heading a long list of changes. This is somewhat reflected in its asking price, which does make you wonder if it’s been elevated too far out of its 'affordable full-frame' bracket – although it's a good deal cheaper than the next full frame model in the line-up, the EOS 5D Mark IV.

FOR
• Brand new sensor and latest engine
• Brilliant handling
• Excellent connectivity options
AGAINST
• Viewfinder falls short of 100% coverage
• Absence of 4K likely to disappoint some
• No USB 3.0
[/quote]
[/quote]

Huh, I see they're so "political correct", and what they say about 6D, they can apply the same to all the new release DSLR, mirrorless cam, nothing new, everything is as expected, for example "Brand new sensor and latest engine" -> wtf is that, of course it is obviously as say in their specs, why include in PROS, because they cannot find anything new to say about this 6D2.

 

[snoke]

Re: Canon EOS 6D Mark II Dynamic Range Talk & Sample Images

Huh, I see they're so "political correct", and what they say about 6D, they can apply the same to all the new release DSLR, mirrorless cam, nothing new, everything is as expected, for example "Brand new sensor and latest engine" -> wtf is that, of course it is obviously as say in their specs, why include in PROS, because they cannot find anything new to say about this 6D2.

Yes this right. If you not write good about Canon, Canon stop sending cameras to review. If no new camera for review, nobody buy magazine or goto website and reviewer lose money. Because Amazon, DPR too big/important, Canon can't ignore.

 

[Khalai]

Re: Canon EOS 6D Mark II Dynamic Range Talk & Sample Images

Huh, I see they're so "political correct", and what they say about 6D, they can apply the same to all the new release DSLR, mirrorless cam, nothing new, everything is as expected, for example "Brand new sensor and latest engine" -> wtf is that, of course it is obviously as say in their specs, why include in PROS, because they cannot find anything new to say about this 6D2.

Yes this right. If you not write good about Canon, Canon stop sending cameras to review. If no new camera for review, nobody buy magazine or goto website and reviewer lose money. Because Amazon, DPR too big/important, Canon can't ignore.

On the contrary. Many review websites had pure clickbait titles for years (bashing Canon) for generating profit of such website. Ironic, really, that websites bash Canon for making a profit, in order for those website to create a profit

 

[Khalai]

Re: Canon EOS 6D Mark II Dynamic Range Talk & Sample Images

It's possible, and even probable, that they resolved a design issue with the system and your second repair got the improved part. Think of the BMW HPFPs, that would fail every few months for years until they resolved it, then replacements and new cars were fine. They do make rolling changes to lenses (and probably bodies and flashes) - my 24-105L has new-style, low-profile switches instead of the big chunky ones on the older examples. No idea if it's solved the harness/ reliability issue, but they do make changes over the years under the same lens name.

Well, whatever was that, I'm now a happy owner of 70-200/2.8 II and a new owner of that 70-200/4 IS has also been happy so far. Win-win I'd say

 

[ecka]

Re: Canon EOS 6D Mark II Dynamic Range Talk & Sample Images

What? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opaq1vOs4HI&t=138s

I'm not one to stick up for Canon marketeers riffing without a script on YouTube, but it's not necessarily a contradictory statement.

One thing that hasn't been beaten up that much is the difference between the Base ISO DR and the quality of highly massaged/manipulated output. For instance, a camera that has the same DR as its predecessor but eliminates the predecessor's noise patterns/banding/etc. would conceivably allow more shadow lift before it crosses a threshold of being overcooked and looking unpleasant.

I am no noise whisperer, so I defer to the folks with a stronger theoretical (BClaff) or practical post-processing experience to speak to that. It's possible the 6D2 made strides in how much you can tweak a file despite not improving its DR.

- A

What stops you from getting some 6D2 RAW files and try to push them in photoshop? Because I did just that and the DR is really bad. As bad as 5D2 or maybe even worse, because in some shots that ugly shadow noise is visible even before I touch any sliders.

Did you take the same shot with both sliders?

The dude from the video said that he will replace his 5D4 with 6D2. I can't decide if that's funny or sad. Maybe both. If all important design decision are made by such comedians, then no wonder why we've got a lemon.

Why is either funny or sad?
He has taken a decision based on his needs yet you still believe he is wrong. That is what is funny or sad.

Funny, because it seems like he doesn't know what he is talking about and pretends like he does. Sad, because maybe he does know that it is BS and he still has to say things like - the new sensor has one of the best DR they've seen ... the DR on this is astonishing ... 40 000 ISO is beautiful ... it has 4K, but only in time-laps mode ... the astonishing 1080p is absolutely astonishing up to the amazing 60fps ... 4K would make it larger and the price wouldn't be this low ...
Really? $2K is a low price? Seriously? 1080p astonishment? When FullHD was the thing, most of Canon advertisements were 480p/720p, so now they've stepped up? ) Where are they getting their consumer demand statistics? How does MagicLantern improve the capabilities of EOS cameras without adding any extra weight?

Did you take the same shot with both sliders?

What both sliders?

 

[Yasko]

Re: Canon EOS 6D Mark II Dynamic Range Talk & Sample Images

I am considering buying the 6D mk II...
The news about DR made me think a little more. But it's always the same... everything about a new Canon DSLR is usually "old" or "bad"... the 6D mk II will be a great camera.

The only real issues are that EVF would have been great. May be I will wait for another EVF FF camera from Canon to come. But that one will also have its "issues", so what...

At least I am sure I won't buy it for 2100 € here in Europe. I will wait until the price has gone down a bit and may be a special discount + promotion somewhere in 2018 or so.