Canon EOS 6D Mark II Dynamic Range Talk & Sample Images

[Mikehit]

Re: Canon EOS 6D Mark II Dynamic Range Talk & Sample Images

Funny, because it seems like he doesn't know what he is talking about and pretends like he does. Sad, because maybe he does know that it is BS and he still has to say things like - the new sensor has one of the best DR they've seen ... the DR on this is astonishing ... 40 000 ISO is beautiful ... it has 4K, but only in time-laps mode ... the astonishing 1080p is absolutely astonishing up to the amazing 60fps ... 4K would make it larger and the price wouldn't be this low ...
Really? $2K is a low price? Seriously? 1080p astonishment? When FullHD was the thing, most of Canon advertisements were 480p/720p, so now they've stepped up? ) Where are they getting their consumer demand statistics? How does MagicLantern improve the capabilities of EOS cameras without adding any extra weight?

I see you've avoided the point again. The one where you are calling him sad for making a buying decision based on his needs.

What both sliders?

Ha ! Ha! I saw that and corrected it - should have said 'both cameras' (typo and auto-correct).

 

[Mikehit]

Re: Canon EOS 6D Mark II Dynamic Range Talk & Sample Images

I am considering buying the 6D mk II...
The news about DR made me think a little more. But it's always the same... everything about a new Canon DSLR is usually "old" or "bad"... the 6D mk II will be a great camera.

The only real issues are that EVF would have been great. May be I will wait for another EVF FF camera from Canon to come. But that one will also have its "issues", so what...

At least I am sure I won't buy it for 2100 € here in Europe. I will wait until the price has gone down a bit and may be a special discount + promotion somewhere in 2018 or so.

If you want FF EVF then Sony is probably your best bet at the moment.

As for the Canon tech' being 'old' or 'bad' I would say ignore that part of it - Canon does plenty of innovating but it is not at the spec sheet end that has people going 'wow!' They concentrate on developments that enhance the usability of the camera (Dual pixel AF a recent case in point).
Sony only really survived because it took a massive gamble in creating a video-centric stills camera and they have taken a hit on usability.
So you pick your compromise and take great photos with either.

 

[ecka]

Re: Canon EOS 6D Mark II Dynamic Range Talk & Sample Images

Funny, because it seems like he doesn't know what he is talking about and pretends like he does. Sad, because maybe he does know that it is BS and he still has to say things like - the new sensor has one of the best DR they've seen ... the DR on this is astonishing ... 40 000 ISO is beautiful ... it has 4K, but only in time-laps mode ... the astonishing 1080p is absolutely astonishing up to the amazing 60fps ... 4K would make it larger and the price wouldn't be this low ...
Really? $2K is a low price? Seriously? 1080p astonishment? When FullHD was the thing, most of Canon advertisements were 480p/720p, so now they've stepped up? ) Where are they getting their consumer demand statistics? How does MagicLantern improve the capabilities of EOS cameras without adding any extra weight?

I see you've avoided the point again. The one where you are calling him sad for making a buying decision based on his needs.

What both sliders?

Ha ! Ha! I saw that and corrected it - should have said 'both cameras' (typo and auto-correct).

I'm not avoiding any points. I just think that those things he said are from a different reality , the parallel Canon reality. He probably owns a pair of each Canon DSLR, so that part about switching from 5D4 to 6D2 for something is not really a lie. He basically wanted to amplify the "astonishment" with his own "sacrifice" .

I've had the 5D2 before 6D and I know how it behaves in similar lighting conditions. The low ISO noise wasn't that "in your face" straightaway out of the shadows. I needed to push the brightness up for that. Maybe it's the early RAW support problem, I hope. But I've noticed that DPR removed some of the worst DR samples from their gallery, I can't find them anymore. So, we'll see ... I still have those downloaded.

 

[Meatcurry]

Re: Canon EOS 6D Mark II Dynamic Range Talk & Sample Images

I just heard from my mums friends husbands brother that Canon are prepping a 6DS, that's a 6D2 with the 30mp sensor!!

Thats actually not a bad idea!! Are you listening Mr Maeda??

 

[LonelyBoy]

Re: Canon EOS 6D Mark II Dynamic Range Talk & Sample Images

I am considering buying the 6D mk II...
The news about DR made me think a little more. But it's always the same... everything about a new Canon DSLR is usually "old" or "bad"... the 6D mk II will be a great camera.

The only real issues are that EVF would have been great. May be I will wait for another EVF FF camera from Canon to come. But that one will also have its "issues", so what...

At least I am sure I won't buy it for 2100 € here in Europe. I will wait until the price has gone down a bit and may be a special discount + promotion somewhere in 2018 or so.

What camera (or anything else) doesn't have "issues" if you define "issues" as "imperfections"? I haven't found the perfect product anywhere...

 

[Loswr]

Re: Canon EOS 6D Mark II Dynamic Range Talk & Sample Images

Huh, I see they're so "political correct", and what they say about 6D, they can apply the same to all the new release DSLR, mirrorless cam, nothing new, everything is as expected, for example "Brand new sensor and latest engine" -> wtf is that, of course it is obviously as say in their specs, why include in PROS, because they cannot find anything new to say about this 6D2.

Yes this right. If you not write good about Canon, Canon stop sending cameras to review. If no new camera for review, nobody buy magazine or goto website and reviewer lose money. Because Amazon, DPR too big/important, Canon can't ignore.

Yeah, that must be it. All reviewers know the 6DII is a really crappy camera because its DR is no better than the 6D. They're forced to lie because they need to curry favor from Canon. Only the unbiased, Amazon-backed DPR is brave enough to tell the truth.

It couldn't possibly be the case that the 6DII is a very good camera that will meet the needs of many photographers. It's unfathomable that low ISO DR might not be the most critical feature of a camera, might not even rise to the level of significance that merits discussion in a typical review.

It's so sad that all those photographers — and there will be a LOT of them — are being tricked by evil Canon and their coerced cadre of duplicitous reviewers, despite the noble efforts of the fearlessly forthright DPR.

At least a very few, special people like you know the truth. Hopefully, your insightful forum posts and staunch refusal to buy the crappy 6DII will shake Canon's glass tower from its foundations all the way up to the pinnacle of its boardrooms.

 

[chrysoberyl]

Re: Canon EOS 6D Mark II Dynamic Range Talk & Sample Images

I just heard from my mums friends husbands brother that Canon are prepping a 6DS, that's a 6D2 with the 30mp sensor!!

Thats actually not a bad idea!! Are you listening Mr Maeda??

A laudable rumor! Certainly it will have 4K...

 

[StudentOfLight]

Astro as a special case

I'm still interested in finding out what the dark current noise is like. The original 6D is particularly nice for astro (significantly better than the 5D-III, as the 6D has much lower dark-current-noise.)

When shooting astro my images are typically processed to move 20+ stops of dynamic range into a 16bit, 10bit or 8bit file for print or display. For the special case of stacking of long-exposure astro, read noise at low ISO is not the be-all-and-end-all in achieving good dynamic range as dark current could end up being the predominant source of captured noise.

Here is a mediocre example of the Orion Nebula:

Orion (Reprocessed) by Omesh Singh, on Flickr

 

[stevelee]

Re: Canon EOS 6D Mark II Dynamic Range Talk & Sample Images

everything about a new Canon DSLR is usually "old" or "bad"

It's the same failure to innovate every time. They keep using the same kind of light waves that people have used since the days of the camera obscura. That introduces the challenges brought on by the laws of optics and such.

 

[hbr]

Re: Canon EOS 6D Mark II Dynamic Range Talk & Sample Images

For those wanting to switch to the Nikon D750:
https://www.dpreview.com/news/5252259585/nikon-expands-d750-shutter-recall-yet-again-more-cameras-affected
If you look at the comments section the comments sound about the same as those on this forum, but slamming Nikon.

 

[amorse]

Re: Canon EOS 6D Mark II Dynamic Range Talk & Sample Images

For those wanting to switch to the Nikon D750:
https://www.dpreview.com/news/5252259585/nikon-expands-d750-shutter-recall-yet-again-more-cameras-affected
If you look at the comments section the comments sound about the same as those on this forum, but slamming Nikon.

The grass is always greener I guess. I like what Nikon has been offering in terms of sensor tech, but they have just had so much bad news of late and I really trust my Canon gear not to die on me when I need it. I'm disappointed in the 6D II's DR as well, but I would be afraid to move to Nikon with the number of problems they've had, whether it is through recalls, product cancellations, or restructuring.

Maybe the D850 will improve on some of those issues - http://www.canonrumors.com/off-brand-nikon-announces-development-of-d850/

 

[ahsanford]

Re: Canon EOS 6D Mark II Dynamic Range Talk & Sample Images

Maybe the D850 will improve on some of those issues - http://www.canonrumors.com/off-brand-nikon-announces-development-of-d850/

Just curious to see how good a sensor Sony will license to Nikon this time.

I just read the D5 (and D500) were also Sony sensors after apparently some lengthy deliberation -- some folks were convinced both were Nikon home-brewed sensors.

So unless you count products that have already been one-upped by replacements (D4s is still sold new at B&H) or prestige-y bougie style pieces (Nikon Df), all of Nikon's current FF products have Sony guts.

- A

 

[Mikehit]

Re: Canon EOS 6D Mark II Dynamic Range Talk & Sample Images

Maybe the D850 will improve on some of those issues - http://www.canonrumors.com/off-brand-nikon-announces-development-of-d850/

Just curious to see how good a sensor Sony will license to Nikon this time.

I just read the D5 (and D500) were also Sony sensors after apparently some lengthy deliberation -- some folks were convinced both were Nikon home-brewed sensors.

So unless you count products that have already been one-upped by replacements (D4s is still sold new at B&H) or prestige-y bougie style pieces (Nikon Df), all of Nikon's current FF products have Sony guts.

- A

I think it was D800 where Nikon used Sony sensors - or more exactly Sony sensors made to Nikon specifications - and they got better results than Sony cameras using Sony sensors. So I can see why people may not have been sure about the sensor's provenance but it will certainly be interesting this time round as well.

 

[Khalai]

Re: Canon EOS 6D Mark II Dynamic Range Talk & Sample Images

This may be a really foolish question to some but what is the difference between 4K time lapse and regular 4k? Why would it do one but not the other? Just curious, as you may have guessed I'm not a video specialist....Thanks in advance!

Timelapse means you capture for example single frame every five seconds and then merge all those still photographs into a video file after capture. No problem with buffering, write speeds etc. While 4K video means you need to capture 24/25/30 or even 60 frames per SINGLE second, so the throughput necessary for 4K video is tremendously more demanding. Not to mention cooling, because such load will inevitably produce significant heat either from the sensor or even from imaging processor as well.

 

[ahsanford]

Re: Canon EOS 6D Mark II Dynamic Range Talk & Sample Images

This may be a really foolish question to some but what is the difference between 4K time lapse and regular 4k? Why would it do one but not the other? Just curious, as you may have guessed I'm not a video specialist....Thanks in advance!

I'll rough out an answer that I'm sure the more technical folks will correct:

4K time lapse is video assembled from a ton of stills, usually over a very long period of time (hours). Think one frame captured every 30 seconds for 4 hours. It can be subsequently turned into a 4K video, but that's done in post after you've assembled all the stills. The end output is not a realtime TV-like framerate 4K video recording. Time lapse is done give a sweeping sense of time and the sun/moon rises and falls, and clouds race by, etc. As it is just a collection of periodically taken stills, generating a 4K timelapse is a trivial load on a camera to perform -- it's just a lot of stills.

4K video is recording 24/30/whatever fps of 4K resolution frames like you would think of when recording a video (say on your phone). It's staggeringly more demanding on the camera, which needs to (as I understand it) record/parse/process effectively in real time.

The first one is easy to do. The second one is not. The second one is what everyone complains about when they say "Why is there no 4K on this camera?"

- A

 

[Khalai]

Re: Canon EOS 6D Mark II Dynamic Range Talk & Sample Images

The first one is easy to do. The second one is not. The second one is what everyone complains about when they say "Why is there no 4K on this camera?"

- A

Complain without understanding the problematics about throughput, encoding, capacity issues, heat dissipation etc.

 

[Loswr]

Re: Canon EOS 6D Mark II Dynamic Range Talk & Sample Images

The first one is easy to do. The second one is not. The second one is what everyone complains about when they say "Why is there no 4K on this camera?"

Complain without understanding the problematics about throughput, encoding, capacity issues, heat dissipation etc.

My iPhone shoots 4K.

 

[CanonGuy]

Re: Canon EOS 6D Mark II Dynamic Range Talk & Sample Images

The first one is easy to do. The second one is not. The second one is what everyone complains about when they say "Why is there no 4K on this camera?"

- A

Complain without understanding the problematics about throughput, encoding, capacity issues, heat dissipation etc.

The problem is, only (in the most part) Canon omits 4k citing those issues. The other manufacturers seem to manage those issues and include 4k in their gears.

Maybe canon shiuld fire their worthless engineers and hire some capable ones who wouldn't cite those issues and get the work done?

 

[Khalai]

Re: Canon EOS 6D Mark II Dynamic Range Talk & Sample Images

The first one is easy to do. The second one is not. The second one is what everyone complains about when they say "Why is there no 4K on this camera?"

- A

Complain without understanding the problematics about throughput, encoding, capacity issues, heat dissipation etc.

The problem is, only (in the most part) Canon omits 4k citing those issues. The other manufacturers seem to manage those issues and include 4k in their gears.

Maybe canon shiuld fire their worthless engineers and hire some capable ones who wouldn't cite those issues and get the work done?

Manage those issues? Well, that depends on perspective. You can find many complaint about 4K in ILC, if you google it.

Even such popular 4K MILC such as GH4 or GH5 is definitely not without issues. Or does Sony finally managed to resolve overheating in prolonged recording? Internal electronics, batteries and storage cards are being hammered with heap of data, resulting in increased thermal dissipation and overall wear. Fujifilm has their own share of troubles with 4K in conjuction with X-Trans sensors as well. Now, don't get me wrong, Canon could definitely put 4K inside 6D II. But would you rather have quirky 4K with issues or reliable camera without 4K? There is no right or wrong, there is only less or more wrong I guess, at least according to vast interwebs

 

[Cthulhu]

Re: Canon EOS 6D Mark II Dynamic Range Talk & Sample Images

Or does Sony finally managed to resolve overheating in prolonged recording?

Actually apparently yes, as the A9 seems to be doing just fine in that regard.