Canon EOS 6D Mark II Talk [CR1]

[JohanCruyff]

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Swivel LCD
No.. I want it robust, swivel LCDs are a real vulnerability.
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Now, what makes a well-designed swivel screen any more vulnerable to damage vs. fixed?

+1.
There are a lot of complaints about swivel LCDs when reading specifications, but in real life they doesn't seem to be more vulnerable than fixed ones.

 

[Djaaf]

+1.
There are a lot of complaints about swivel LCDs when reading specifications, but in real life they doesn't seem to be more vulnerable than fixed ones.

Yeah, that's something we do see a lot on the forums...
I had a 60D for a few years, though, and the swivel screen was still functionning, even after being drenched in Scotland and Iceland and frozen during the ski season in the French alps.
I since migrated to the 6D and each time I have to take a shot on a tripod, I do miss my 60D...

And additionnally, it's a lot more difficult to scratch the swivel screen than to scratch a fixed one...
I guess issues with the internal cabling of the swivel screen are more likely to appear after a few years than with a fixed screen, but I have yet to see it happen. And apart from that, except a fall with the swivel screen deployed, I don't see any added vulnerability.

Djaaf.

 

[Don Haines]

Gee.... a rumour based on a thread from DpReview..... what are we coming to????

 

[GmwDarkroom]

Wireless battery charging with the Qi standard
Don't need it.. how hard is it to put a battery in a charger?

Indeed. Wireless charging as a tech is a logically stupid, wasteful abstraction layer.

 

[EOBeav]

Is a metal body too much to ask for? If it is, I might as well just hang on to my 5DII...

 

[vjlex]

The Android rumor doesn't sound even remotely true. As much as I prefer Android on my phone, I prefer Canon's extremely stable, rocksteady OS in my cameras. It would just be an excuse to have those horrible facebook and twitter icons showing up in more places I don't want them to.

 

[infared]

As a guy that works integrating Android builds everyday, I really really hope this is not true.
Just imagine:

• Stupid android background processes eating up the battery
• being worried about my privacy because a firmware update may or may not send data to google
• malware being distributed on back-doors or vulnerabilities and such.

If you ever experienced ANY kind of instability in your phone or the apps it runs, try to imagine how frustrating it would be to have the same kind of nasty bugs in your canon camera. Are you willing to lose a shot because 'the review app' just crashed on you and you have to 'kill it' using the task manager?

Android has it's place in the phone industry because it supports a very large set of devices and peripherals, but it does so in exchange for slow integration of changes, fragmentation of the OS. Android is great for general-purpose devices (such as smartphones), but for specific-purpose devices nothing trumps specific-purpose operating systems.

When was the last time your camera's DryOS (or any of its apps) crashed on you?
Can you say the same about your android phone (and its apps)?

Time and again I hear how good the ergonomics of Canon are (this includes the OS). Compare them to those of Sony or Samsung (that have already started using android).
Canon, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

So ....I do not have a smart phone (I have a wireless phone...but not web, etc.). I like to be where I am, not acting out my addiction in public. ) To each his own. But ...i am dumb about this stuff....You sound like the right guy to ask...so...could you help me out here. If the camera has an Android OS...that will exclude mac users from utilizing there phones, iPads, etc. for remote control..etc. ...and obviously the whole menu system would change, too. Is that correct?
I am a Mack guy....(no iPhone, though)....but this would be a very foreign menu to me ...right?
Thanks for the help.

 

[wunderpink]

The articulating screen would already make it to my dream camera for landscapes and travel.

The lack of articulating screens in Canon FF DSLRs bothers me much more than the tiny difference in DR compared to the Sonys.

 

[MTSG]

well, I just looking on my 6D... and so far I'd change nothing or almost nothing.

-24mp Full Frame CMOS: still in the range of common aspects
-1.5 stops better at higher ISO: always welcome any improvement in that direction
-Low-light autofocus (centre point) at -5 EV: ok, as line above
-Two AF systems are currently being tested or the EOS 6D Mark II and which was chosen is unknown at this time. There will be more AF points than the current camera: just do it
-WiFi with NFC and GPS: ...? I have it, but NFC? may be in future, however I will not pay using 6D2
-Wireless battery charging with the Qi standard: lot of whistle blowing everywhere about something good, just do it, hoever we can live without it
-Android: anybody who works on it for longer time may have same, negative opinion like me, live it for tabs and phones
-Dual-pixel autofocus technology: ok
-Touchscreen: if it will work properly in humid environment why not
-Swivel LCD: as other comments, many bodies have it, I no need it
-Will ship in a new box design in gold colour: ok, hope not pink...

wish list?
-1080/60p
-keep HANDHELD NIGHT SCENE (auto assembl. 4pics)
-view good lenses (primes), especially replaced oldest

MTSG

 

[emag]

Higher sync speed would be very nice, as would a swivel/articulating LCD. Redesigned box???? Huh?

 

[wunderpink]

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Swivel LCD
No.. I want it robust, swivel LCDs are a real vulnerability.
...

Now, what makes a well-designed swivel screen any more vulnerable to damage vs. fixed?

+1.
There are a lot of complaints about swivel LCDs when reading specifications, but in real life they doesn't seem to be more vulnerable than fixed ones.

For me, a tiltable screen would be just so great for landscape work. It makes composing very comfortable, even when the camera is sitting on a small tripod or very near to the ground (for cool perspectives).

I would be willing to give a lot of features of my 6D away for a tiltable screen.

 

[mdflare]

+1.
There are a lot of complaints about swivel LCDs when reading specifications, but in real life they doesn't seem to be more vulnerable than fixed ones.

Yeah, that's something we do see a lot on the forums...
I had a 60D for a few years, though, and the swivel screen was still functionning, even after being drenched in Scotland and Iceland and frozen during the ski season in the French alps.
I since migrated to the 6D and each time I have to take a shot on a tripod, I do miss my 60D...

And additionnally, it's a lot more difficult to scratch the swivel screen than to scratch a fixed one...
I guess issues with the internal cabling of the swivel screen are more likely to appear after a few years than with a fixed screen, but I have yet to see it happen. And apart from that, except a fall with the swivel screen deployed, I don't see any added vulnerability.

Djaaf.

+++1.000.000 on swivel screen
I too had the 60D before the 6D and if you had that screen once, you see thousand reasons to miss it. If you are using the camera in wired positions near-ground or above your head the normal screen is just beyond crap. I have never noticed a vulnerability of the swivel screen. It felt sturdy like all other parts of the camera. You can even fold the screen inwards to protect the screen when transporting or when you just want to use the viewfinder.

I would hate it if they put it in the 6D2 because it would be 1 more thing I would want it for. And I don´t want to buy a new camera because nothing is broken with the current one

If they do a new kind of operating system in. Its ok, as long as they put all the features in that ML provides beyond the current limited canon features.

They should try fix the GPS this time. With the current 6D its ultra-slow, imprecise and a battery drainer :-\. Because of all that I don´t use it. It just a pain in the ass to wait for minutes to get a GPS location and in the Mountains I had it once where the position took some more Minutes to get the exact height right (slowly correcting the value with every new measurement).

Touchscreen might be a requirement for new OS and might be usefull for something.

8) Gold Box 8) ,… wow allways wanted a golden Box covered in dust laying in the basement.

DualPixel Autofocus. Only n1ce if they fix the 6D Video in the first place. And maybe they notice that the current state of the art is 4K and not FullHD in its broken state onboard the 6D.
The castrated video with its ugly as hell lineskipping in video (moire :'(). Its so ugly I would dare to call the video functions of the 6D broken at current state if you don´t use alternative Video output. What Luck I don´t do much video, so it does not bother me that much. But I hate the part that I regard the 6D as not having video at all because its output is more ugly than any smartphone.

Better at high iso ?
I wouldn´t mind but: I would like to have more data in the shadows at base-ISO.
It brings :'( to my eyes to see what current sony sensors can recover out of seemingly black shadows.

Wireless battery charging? ???
Mhh I can´t see an advantage of that. You have to have the loading surface with you to put the camera on it. So nothing is won.
Its always slower as regular charging too. Normal chargers are inexpensive workhorses and you can load a heck of a lot of them at the same time. Why introduce a weight adding feature to the camera that only loads 1 battery at a slower rate.

Maybe these specs with android OS,wireless loading, NFC and a gold Box are specs that belong to a new canon-smartphone.

I am expecting to be surprised and confused at the same time when the real specs surface

 

[gsealy]

Not keen on the swivel LCD as it could be a potential weak point structurally. Saying this, I don't know what the fault rate on current DSLRs with movable LCD screens are. However, every camera I've used has had a standard fixed LCD and there's never been an issue. Then again, I look after my camera and treat it like a newborn baby! 8)

I have this on my t4i and it is very useful. I use it a lot for all sorts of things and the LCD structure has never even been suspect. It is solid. Once nice thing is that when not in use the LCD faces the camera, so it is protected. A lot of the time I reverse the LCD screen and shoot live view with an attached viewfinder. Then of course, you can shoot all kinds of angles easier, such as holding the camera over the head.

 

[NancyP]

Fantasy camera design - what a game!
I would like the swivel screen, because on-the-ground macro is a PITA. The 6D is a great macro camera otherwise. Also - no more nose prints on the LCD! I would strongly prefer that they keep the interchangeable screens because my 6D has the Eg-S now, much better. Focus systems - meh, nice but it wouldn't be my action camera. Most of my work on 6D is manual focus. 1.5 stops better RAW noise performance without pattern noise - that would be thrilling for astrophotography, where one is scraping together scarce photons. The swivel screen and better RAW noise on high ISO would be sorely tempting to me to retire my 6D. 24 MP is fine.I am not printing huge.

 

[LDS]

If Canon switch to a general purpose OS for its camera, I'll switch to anything that doesn't follow that silly path. Any instrument that has a specific task - in this case taking image - needs software fully aimed at that task, or you risk to lose the image because the OS thinks something else needs attention in a given moment.

Android is not a real-time OS, it is designed to handle different competiting tasks at the same time, and any of them may be important for the user. It's good for general purpose devices, not for dedicated one - just look at how bad are actual smartphones to make and receive phone calls.

Also, it's a very vulnerable OS from a security point of view, and if the camera becomes "connected", that's another issue. People may already steal your photos from your computer, would you like to allow them to steal them directly from your camera?

"Consumerization" is very bad for cameras, although someone could think it's good just because of the eye candies...

 

[Hector1970]

Android or some sort of Apple / Windows based operating software is inevitable in the long run.
The cameras will need to be very compatible in the future. Wireless backup off the card to a computer / hard disks needs to be seamless and easy to do, distributing your pictures to Facebook or website.. Your camera could tell you the weather, sun location , Hyperfocal distance, location maps etc. The screens are almost big enough to comfortably do that.

 

[bf]

I don't worry if a swivel LCD might not be rugged enough. 6D is not a professional camera. I might worry if it was a 1d, but I prefer a touchscreen swivel LCD for a 6D.

 

[jd7]

Personally, I'm not enthusiastic about a tilt screen or touch screen. I'd much rather a move towards 5DIII/7DII controls and ergonomics than 70D controls and ergonomics, but with the body size kept about the same as the current 6D. I rather doubt I'm going to get what I'd really like though!

AF improvements, higher flash sync, slightly faster FPS, and any sensor improvements would all be welcome

 

[Etienne]

Not keen on the swivel LCD as it could be a potential weak point structurally. Saying this, I don't know what the fault rate on current DSLRs with movable LCD screens are. However, every camera I've used has had a standard fixed LCD and there's never been an issue. Then again, I look after my camera and treat it like a newborn baby! 8)

I've had several cameras with swivel LCDs, and not one has broken. In a fast moving ENG environment that would change. But the 6D is not a camera for ENG, sports etc.
I would absolutely love a full swivel screen! Not just the flip up kind, make it do back-flips and twirls!

 

[Etienne]

If Canon did implement android it would be a very streamlined customised version by Canon. Ensuring all of the above do not happen, I'm assuming the thought of doing this would enable 3rd party apps to be in stalled which would make the camera so much more flexible as a tool.

In terms of the rotating screen I wish people would get off the high horse about it. Its so annoying trying to compose from a low or high angle with a flat screen. Try composing an image with a gorilla pod on the floor you literally have to lay down to get to the same level makes creative shooting much easier with a rotating screen unless all you guys do is sit at eye level.

Ye it may be a weaker point but if it breaks it will be my fault and il have it fixed or buy another one. Babying gear is a fools errand, the gear is just gear get out and shoot. If the camera gets scratched and marked its paying its way. I don't get these people who spend all this money on gear and let them sit as museum pieces.

Agree 100%. If you are in ENG, shooting protests and war zones, get a stronger camera like the 5D or 1D series. The 6D was never meant to be a tank.