Alejandro said:
You are hoping for no improvement in Dynamic Range? really? That would be first on my list!
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Canon EOS 6D Mark II Talk [CR1]
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You are hoping for no improvement in Dynamic Range? really? That would be first on my list!
Chaitanya said:
Wow, h.365, you certainly are hoping for something there hehe. Is there a requirement for h.265? Considering most people want to retain best PQ for post processing, perhaps sticking with h.264 for now would be better, HEVC is still fairly new, and the efficiency gains are not as good as predicted yet. However, even at h.264 I would expect 10bit, and maybe 4:2:2.
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The release of the 5DMk4 has really dented my confidence in Canon. Its totally overpriced for what it does, the 4K is lacking, but mostly the price, especially in the UK, how did they convert $3700 USD in to £3600????
For this reason I think Canon will drop the ball with the 6D Mk2 as well, I bet its twice the price of the 6DMk1 and will be featureless compared to it's rivals.
4K on the 6D Mk2? Well as they have only put 2160p30 on the 5DMk4, they are either going to not put 4K on the 6DMk2 at all, or cripple the 4K in some ridiculous fashion like 15fps, or maybe only use 8bit or a lower bit rate, either way it will suck.
Sorry if I sound really negative, waited a really long time for the 5DMk4 and I am so gutted, its made me feel that Canon have lost the plot, and will screw up all their future products.
For this reason I think Canon will drop the ball with the 6D Mk2 as well, I bet its twice the price of the 6DMk1 and will be featureless compared to it's rivals.
4K on the 6D Mk2? Well as they have only put 2160p30 on the 5DMk4, they are either going to not put 4K on the 6DMk2 at all, or cripple the 4K in some ridiculous fashion like 15fps, or maybe only use 8bit or a lower bit rate, either way it will suck.
Sorry if I sound really negative, waited a really long time for the 5DMk4 and I am so gutted, its made me feel that Canon have lost the plot, and will screw up all their future products.
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luisbelo said:
No.. what would be truely awsome is a DETACHABLE screen.. sure let it be tip/tilt/swivel.. but let it also be detachable.. then you don't have to muck about with pairing problems to remote control, if it breaks you just buy a new screen and you have no weather sealing issues.
wireless data link of course + wireless charging off the cameras battery.
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HOW DARE YOU USE COMMON SENSE AND LOGIC ON AN EMOTIONAL ISSUE!rfdesigner said:
Seriously though, the perfect solution!
There is also the idea of having the touchscreen on the camera able to be duplicated by an app on a phone or a tablet...
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They need to introduce some kind of image stabilization (I would even be happy if they used the one on the EOS M5) if they want to win back the market they lost to Sony, Olympus, Panasonic. And please, please, bring a hybrid OVF to the market (like Fuji). Image stabilization, tilting touch screen, DPAF, Hybrid OVF (with manual focus assists), and compressed 4K files, would make this a game changer, would kill anything on the market (Sony, Nikon, you name it). Most people that are still with Canon because of their amazing glass, come on Canon, its about time, with the 6D Mark II give us an amazing body too!!
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liangming16 said:
Exactly.
The 6D has less megapixels (MPs) than the 5DIII.
So, many assume that the 6DII will also have less MPs than the 5DIV.
Not a correct assumption, IMO.
Like I said, my bet is on 36MP (although it's also quite possible that the 6DII will reuse the 5DIV sensor).
Overall, if Canon wants to charge $2K+ for the 6DII - and they surely do - they can't cripple the 6DII like they crippled the original 6D.
So, the 6DII is guaranteed to have a better AF system (like the 80D maybe?), among other things.
But to avoid stepping on 5DIV's toes, the 6DII is also guaranteed to not have dual card slots and a rugged body (and possibly 4K video).
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Articulating screen - maybe I won't bother trying to find and use an angle finder, or use the EOS phone utility to help in those ground-level macro shots.
The current sensor is a good low-light sensor in terms of shot noise and no patterned noise. I bought the 6D classic for astro work originally. Improved DR would be nice for landscapes. I don't see much difference between 21 and 25 MP, frankly.
The current sensor is a good low-light sensor in terms of shot noise and no patterned noise. I bought the 6D classic for astro work originally. Improved DR would be nice for landscapes. I don't see much difference between 21 and 25 MP, frankly.
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bsbeamer said:Famateur said:I know...CR1.
Still...
If it is essentially an 70D/80D with a full-frame sensor, I will most certainly buy it.
Please, please, please, please, please, please...
That is what this sort of needs to be for me. Would love the full articulating screen that flips to the side like 70D and better 4K implementation, but that might be asking too much from Canon...
It's interesting to see that the 5D has moved up market into the pro category. The original 5D was pretty much a full frame version of the 20D (it's THAT old!). A few less fps due to the higher MP...but similar AF and spec other wise. So it's no surprise that the 6DII could easily be a full frame variant of the current XXD range.
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In my opinion;
New sensor - likely, probably on a par for DR and ISO as 5 series NOT 30mp or higher could use 1Dx2 sensor?
improved AF- most likely but probably not the 80D array more likely the 19 pt from the 7d or 70d
one SD card- probably to differentiate from the 5 series
5 FPS - again as above 6 would be too close to 5D4
Tilt screen - I can see this happening in 6D2
flash sync of 1/180 again same as original = product differentiation.
Video - No clue whatsoever!!
It would still be a great entry full frame camera even with these so called "crippled" specs
New sensor - likely, probably on a par for DR and ISO as 5 series NOT 30mp or higher could use 1Dx2 sensor?
improved AF- most likely but probably not the 80D array more likely the 19 pt from the 7d or 70d
one SD card- probably to differentiate from the 5 series
5 FPS - again as above 6 would be too close to 5D4
Tilt screen - I can see this happening in 6D2
flash sync of 1/180 again same as original = product differentiation.
Video - No clue whatsoever!!
It would still be a great entry full frame camera even with these so called "crippled" specs
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Not a gear-head - so my only wish for the 6D II is that it takes the same approach as Canon used with the SL1. Make it the smallest and lightest FF DSLR as they can and I am a buyer. 20 MP is fine (And desirable for best IQ) as I want Canon to continue to offer FF with large pixels.
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25mpix sounds about right any more and files will start to get too big, part of the appeal of the 6D is it's simplicity - just a good all rounder. Most likely we'll get improved DR (not that it was an issue!) from the newer sensor design. DPAF is almost a certainty at this point.
Flip screen would be very nice to see. A welcome feature for landscapes.
Dual SD slots? Single slot was never a problem for me. OK sure, maybe it'll shut some people up.
Some kind of 4K? Hmm yeah OK whatever not bothered about 4K but sure throw it in to make the spec sheet look pretty. :
Not sure if this stuff would justify such a high price bump though. There needs to be something extra. I'd like to see at least 6fps and a vastly improved AF system.
Flip screen would be very nice to see. A welcome feature for landscapes.
Dual SD slots? Single slot was never a problem for me. OK sure, maybe it'll shut some people up.
Some kind of 4K? Hmm yeah OK whatever not bothered about 4K but sure throw it in to make the spec sheet look pretty. :
Not sure if this stuff would justify such a high price bump though. There needs to be something extra. I'd like to see at least 6fps and a vastly improved AF system.
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If nothing unusual happens, the 6D2 will be the last Canon full frame release for this decade.
On the 6D2, Canon probably will implement 1-2 of the 10-20 missing modern features the 5D4 or 1DX2 would have urgently needed, and that's it until 2020, after Hillary started her second term.
Instead of reading this forum regarding Canon full frame cameras, in the next 4 years it might be enough if someone can send one alert email in the unlikely case Canon has found an answer to the existing Sony A7R2, 2017 released A7R3 and 2019 released A7R4 (as well as the Sony A9I and A9II who could include the autofocus and processing power of the A99II).
At the speed of innovations of the last 5 years, only in 2030 it could be possible to buy a Canon flagship camera with the same specs and comfort of a camera that Sony already has released in 2020.
On the 6D2, Canon probably will implement 1-2 of the 10-20 missing modern features the 5D4 or 1DX2 would have urgently needed, and that's it until 2020, after Hillary started her second term.
Instead of reading this forum regarding Canon full frame cameras, in the next 4 years it might be enough if someone can send one alert email in the unlikely case Canon has found an answer to the existing Sony A7R2, 2017 released A7R3 and 2019 released A7R4 (as well as the Sony A9I and A9II who could include the autofocus and processing power of the A99II).
At the speed of innovations of the last 5 years, only in 2030 it could be possible to buy a Canon flagship camera with the same specs and comfort of a camera that Sony already has released in 2020.
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25MP, Dual SD Card Slots, Articulating Screen ----
This will be an absolute KILLER camera.
If these specs hold up, it doesn't matter what the AF is, the FPS or any of that other stuff. This will be the final answer to Nikon's entry level FF lineup. Superior Canon glass, with a decent FF body with data redundancy ...win, win, win. Cake and eat it.
Makes one wonder if Canon actually is listening to forums and the web. Been a lot of people complaining about the lack of these 2 key features. I've been saying over and over again. It is unacceptable to charge $2000+ in 2016-7 and have one lousy SD card.
In order to segregate it from the 5D4, they will surely redact a number of things that are for pros. Such as the FTP feature which is very nice. But that is ok, that is the right kind of segmentation. Leaving out these kind of work-flow features makes sense. Holding back on card slots is NOT the right way to separate camera lines.
A 2-card slot FF from Canon priced right will cause a LOT of Nikon defections. While they have the big dynamic range, these dynamic range lovers love BOKEH more. Bokeh crazy. I talk to them all over the place. They all drool over the Canon 1.2's. They just want a decent and capable body to give them entry to Canon. Canon world means better glass and better flash lighting. Nikon has been offering so much more in FF at the entry level. I own a 6D and its picture quality is as good if not better than anything Nikon puts out -- BUT....it is weak in many other areas that are important to people also looking to make money.
At this level, you have serious amateurs to enthusiasts who are also dabbling with doing jobs here and there, or semi-pros or part-timers. Canon's outlook tends to draw a thick line between these two worlds. When in reality, for many, it is a transition - not a switch. I would NOT take a 6D on a job and risk losing all the data because of a stupid SD card failing. Many know this, and at the entry FF level - buy D610 or D750. More AF points, dual cards, decent IQ. The glass is decent too. Nikon has some nice budget options that compete quite well.
I hope this rumor is true.
This will be an absolute KILLER camera.
If these specs hold up, it doesn't matter what the AF is, the FPS or any of that other stuff. This will be the final answer to Nikon's entry level FF lineup. Superior Canon glass, with a decent FF body with data redundancy ...win, win, win. Cake and eat it.
Makes one wonder if Canon actually is listening to forums and the web. Been a lot of people complaining about the lack of these 2 key features. I've been saying over and over again. It is unacceptable to charge $2000+ in 2016-7 and have one lousy SD card.
In order to segregate it from the 5D4, they will surely redact a number of things that are for pros. Such as the FTP feature which is very nice. But that is ok, that is the right kind of segmentation. Leaving out these kind of work-flow features makes sense. Holding back on card slots is NOT the right way to separate camera lines.
A 2-card slot FF from Canon priced right will cause a LOT of Nikon defections. While they have the big dynamic range, these dynamic range lovers love BOKEH more. Bokeh crazy. I talk to them all over the place. They all drool over the Canon 1.2's. They just want a decent and capable body to give them entry to Canon. Canon world means better glass and better flash lighting. Nikon has been offering so much more in FF at the entry level. I own a 6D and its picture quality is as good if not better than anything Nikon puts out -- BUT....it is weak in many other areas that are important to people also looking to make money.
At this level, you have serious amateurs to enthusiasts who are also dabbling with doing jobs here and there, or semi-pros or part-timers. Canon's outlook tends to draw a thick line between these two worlds. When in reality, for many, it is a transition - not a switch. I would NOT take a 6D on a job and risk losing all the data because of a stupid SD card failing. Many know this, and at the entry FF level - buy D610 or D750. More AF points, dual cards, decent IQ. The glass is decent too. Nikon has some nice budget options that compete quite well.
I hope this rumor is true.
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