Canon EOS 6D Mark II Talk [CR1]

[Hellish]

If the specs happen as such

25MP
13.5+ stops dr (dxo)
~3000 iso score (dxo)
Dual SD Cards (UHS-II??? it will be 2017)
4k video (full frame for no crop but less detail compared to the 1DX2 5D4)(motion jpeg or not preferable not)
DPAF
Flip screen
45 AF Points

This camera will be a killer.

But as earlier rumors stated they planned to move it up market so we can except the price to make it.

I would except to pay $2500 USD and IMO with those specs it would be well worth it

 

[douglaurent]

If nothing unusual happens, the 6D2 will be the last Canon full frame release for this decade.

Yes, it would be highly unusual for Canon to update the 5Ds/R before the end of the decade. Why don't you climb back on the turnip truck and ride it back to dilbertland, where you can continue your education in facts and how to interpret them. : : :

Here's the facts: what is needed now or in the next 4 years is a 5D4/1DX2 with the best missing features of an A7RII/A99II. A 5DsR2 will not only NOT solve any of this, it will also fall short in all specs to any single of the 4 mentioned cameras expect resolution: It won't be mirrorless, it won't be usable for video, it won't be good for lowlight, it won't have extremely fast autofocus and 30 other important things won't be included for allround use.

So yes indeed there might be a follow up to the 5DsR, maybe it's even the great 120MP I have seen at Photokina, which won't be out before 2018. But which problem does this specialist photo camera solve, other than being able to make photos with high megapixels? I own a 5DsR myself, and it's a camera like a tilt shift lens - extremely good for certain situations, but not a good tool for 95% of the rest of the time or 95% of all users.

We can speak again in 2025, when all of you own a Canon camera which is a fusion of the obvious best specs of a 5D4/A99II/A7RII. Then let's take away the 20 new features you got used to by then and it will be fun to hear the complaining.

 

[padam]

There has to be a distinction between the 5Dmk4 and 6Dmk2 video features or quality, and the swivel LCD is already an advantage towards the latter.

So if it will have 4k, it won't be nearly as good. Maybe it would be in FF but with line skipping, so moire and aliasing like with the original 6D and low bitrate H264 codec.

 

[Loswr]

...it will be fun to hear the complaining.

The complaining then will be like the complaining now, which is like the complaining for the past few years. Incessant whining by a handful of forum-dwelling malcontents, while the rest of the world goes right on buying Canon gear and creating amazing imagery with it.

 

[smithcon]

An articulating screen would serve my needs extremely well and would send my current beloved and trusty 6D packing. As I have discovered low vantage point photography, I have discovered that my belly makes an uncomfortable perch from which to operate my limbs. The Canon wifi solution irritates me as I have to go through the pairing routine every time I use it, it seems, and I'd rather not have to rely on another device (although, dang it, it would be nice if somebody did this right).

I have seriously been considering buying an A7R II after spending six hours shooting the world up with one a few days ago. I loved the movable screen, and the IBIS as well, and the amazing IQ, but I'd rather stick a native Canon solution to keep my glass and wallet happy.

I would love IBIS, but I know that it out of question, and is it less much critical to me than the flippy screen.

So, here I am putting off a purchase decision based on a CR1 rumor. Never thought it would happen to me.

 

[AA]

I hear that keeping with the wonderful tradition of the original 6D, it will come with a cutting edge one-point AF system, which will be an industry second!

It will also do 4K at 14 fps with a 2.4x crop factor, which will make it particularly suitable for wildlife and voyeuring.

I can hardly wait!

 

[drob]

All this needs to be is a full frame 80D with a modest boost in resolution (24-28MP), no AA filter, and a tilt-able touch screen. 4K isn't needed as it would just be crippled anyway and probably just jack up the cost. Hopefully this would come in around 2K initially, then drop to the $1500-1750 price range after 6 months or so.

 

[timmy_650]

I sure hope Nikon and Sony put out some really good camera before then. Bc I would love to upgrade my 6D but if it isn't a killer camera. I will probably put my money into glass. Or wait until 2018 and buy it on a good refurbished sale. I would love something lighter and better for hiking.

 

[james75]

Knowing this camera is about six months away is exciting. I'm not sure if I'll be able to afford it though, given it will probably be priced about a 1,000 less than the markiv at 2,499. The listed specs seem great, especially like the articulating screen. Interested to also see the new sensor tech in this camera as well.

 

[Maiaibing]

I own a 5DsR myself, and it's a camera like a tilt shift lens - extremely good for certain situations, but not a good tool for 95% of the rest of the time or 95% of all users.

Please give an example of a picture better taken with the 5DIII than the 5DS/R.

5DS/R can do any- and everything - the 5DIII can do but mostly better and sometimes far better, except for a slightly lower fps. The three key aspects 5DIII users wanted updated: AF, DR and MPIX; are all three vastly improved in the 5DS/R just as they were prioritized by Canon for the 5DIV.

Unless you consider the 5DIII to only be a relevant photographic tool for 5% of all photographers, your comment seems highly misguided.

On the contrary, the 5DS/R is the "right" tool for the 95% of all photography.

 

[d]

I own a 5DsR myself, and it's a camera like a tilt shift lens - extremely good for certain situations, but not a good tool for 95% of the rest of the time or 95% of all users.

Please give an example of a picture better taken with the 5DIII than the 5DS/R.

5DS/R can do any- and everything - the 5DIII can do but mostly better and sometimes far better, except for a slightly lower fps. The three key aspects 5DIII users wanted updated: AF, DR and MPIX; are all three vastly improved in the 5DS/R just as they were prioritized by Canon for the 5DIV.

Unless you consider the 5DIII to only be a relevant photographic tool for 5% of all photographers, your comment seems highly misguided.

On the contrary, the 5DS/R is the "right" tool for the 95% of all photography.

Doug's 5DsR didn't come with with a glossy, 90+ A4 page, Canon system brochure, so he's on a mission to promote Sony, who are happy to waste paper on brochures that will be outdated and binned in a year or so.

 

[roxics]

There has to be a distinction between the 5Dmk4 and 6Dmk2 video features or quality, and the swivel LCD is already an advantage towards the latter.

So if it will have 4k, it won't be nearly as good. Maybe it would be in FF but with line skipping, so moire and aliasing like with the original 6D and low bitrate H264 codec.

That's not necessary true. Canon has released three DSLRs that can shoot 4K so far. All three handle it the same way. Crop the sensor to a 4K 1:1 pixel readout and compressed to mjpeg at 500mbps.

The reason is because it requires the least amount of processing (thus the least amount of energy and produces the least amount of heat) while still producing a good image. A better image than line skipping. If Canon follows the same trend with the 6D mkII and it uses a 24MP sensor for example, you'll still get a crop, but it won't be as much as the 5D mkIV which has a 30MP sensor. So maybe we'll end up with a 1.5x super35mm crop (or something closer to it, maybe even less of a crop) instead of 1.7x on the 5D mkIV. If it also has a flip out screen like the 80D, DPAF and proper audio at a lower price than the 5D mkIV, that could drive a lot of video shooters who love Canon color to pick one up. Myself included. So in many ways with a lower resolution sensor alone, it could end up being a superior video camera than the 5D so long as they follow the same pattern they have on their other 4K DSLRs.

 

[drob]

^^^^IF they added in the 4K that wasn't crippled it would eat into the 5DMk4 sales. My opinion is if it's going to be a half-arsed version and raise the cost, why bother? I'd rather them just upgrade the AF and give me upgrades in other departments.

 

[YellowJersey]

I personally don't care about dual card slots or the video features. If this camera brings the sensor improvements of the 1Dx mkII and 5D mkIV and has a better autofocus system than the 6D, then it'll probably be replacing my 5D mkIII. I have to say, I've been eying the A7r II quite a bit lately. But I'll wait until the 6D mkII is out before I make any decisions. I'm in a financial situation where I can't afford to gamble; I'd rather wait until all my options are out, and the reviews are in before making a decision.

 

[Hjalmarg1]

I really look forward to replace my 6D with this camera if....
- dual pixe AF with centerpoint AF is sensitive to -4EV
- DR in lower iso improved to level of 5D MKIV
- less noise higher iso (6400) and less color banding
- af system up to minimum of 19 preferable 45 points with wider spread


very welcome double slots, 25mp en articulating screen. I hope also touchscreen

+1, add joystick controller for changins AF points. I hope this to be the High-ISO Low-Noise king in Canon

 

[ExodistPhotography]

I fully expect the 6D2 to be a full frame 80D inside and out. However I do hope they retain the magnesium body and if they can stick dual SD cards in, that will be great also.. If the screen its articulating that will be great. But if it isnt I will deal with it. I have grown to love that screen for video and night sky photos so much, its almost essential to me.

Hopefully this will be the case and I for sure will be picking it up..

 

[4mrfannwskptc]

5mpix isn't quite the bump I would like to see. Closer to 30 would be nice but I could probably live with 25 if it does have the rest of the features most of us are hoping for/expecting:

- Similar or better sensor performance to the 5DIV
- 5fps+
- articulating LCD
- better low light AF
- Faster AF
- at least a couple cross type points
- 2 card slots
- better weather sealing
- slightly smaller/lighter
- the joystick AF point selector would be nice

This should go with out saying but it better have Auto-ISO exposure compensation in M-mode like all the recent releases from Canon. I'm saying it because I don't trust Canon and this will be one of the biggest features for me when I upgrade my 6D.

I'm a noob in these forums and the format here is somewhat different from other forums I've been in. So I'm not sure this will show up as I planned.

Anyway agree with all of the above and what other posters have said about it being a FF 80D. A very important item for me would be for it to have the same or similar type of AF points all cross-type that the 80D has along with a joystick to move the AF points. Why should it be a premium camera slotted above the APS-C products if it has the same number of AF points as the T6i/s line? A major reason why I never got the 6D was the pitiful lack of AF points along with only 1 cross-type. I wouldn't be willing to pay the premium price if it didn't have this feature. I'd rather revert to the 5DIII or save my $ for the 5DIV.

Since I'm a noob here, I'm not sure how to list my current setup separately.

 

[Jack Douglas]

...it will be fun to hear the complaining.

The complaining then will be like the complaining now, which is like the complaining for the past few years. Incessant whining by a handful of forum-dwelling malcontents, while the rest of the world goes right on buying Canon gear and creating amazing imagery with it.

Yes, what would life be like without the whiners and doomsters! Is it possible these posters are actually somewhere between 5 and 8 years old? In that case I'd be a little more forgiving.

My 6D has been very good to me, my biggest single complaint being the AF system.

Jack

 

[bitm2007]

4K video, which I don't want, need or will ever use. When will Canon realize that there is a sizable market out there for a still's only camera ?

They won't, because there isn't, Nikon are rumoured to have sold less than 20 Df's.

Now I am not saying people will use 4k in their DSLR's but for some stupid reason they believe they need it, little realising the hassle, time, storage space, processing power, workflow etc it is to deal with.

Surely the failure of the Df's is more down to value for money, than the need for video features.

It's a 16mp camera, with the processor and AF system borrowed from the Nikon D610 in a retro style body, that was released at a similar price point to the 36MP Nikon D800. Hopefully it's replacement that is rumored for next year, will provide a truer indication of our need for video features.

 

[captainkanji]

If the sensor and AF are improved, I'm totally buying one. I love the 6Ds IQ, but the AF is shameful. Hope they keep the price around 2k.