Canon EOS 6D Specs Leaked?

[Chuck Alaimo]

Back to my original point, "Come on people, it not the technology that makes a great images, it's the content."

I'll say it again ---it's NOT the content!!!! Take a bad photog and give them wonderful subject matter and you fail fail fail. Take a great photog and give them nothing and they may make you surprised! Part of being a photog is having the 'eye,' and part of that is seeing things, spotting things, noticing things that others do not see. A great photog can make a piece of trash look good - but a bad photog can make something that looks awesome appear to be a piece of trash..(ok, not said as i did originally)

Chuck,
I didn't know we were aruging...

I agree with everything you said, but I think you are only seeing part of my point. ...how about... would you agree that a great image has more to do with content rather than the technology used to capture the image? When I see a great image, the first thing that comes to mind is NOT what kind of camera was used.

not argueing...just saying that content alone does not a great image make...just as a badass camera alone does not a great image make.

all that said, there is another topic devoted to gear vs image quality. Canon can't do a marketing campaign on a $2000 camera telling people it's not the camera its the content! And that's what we should be talking about --- how not worth even talking about these specs are. Yeah, it's the photographer that takes the great pic...but... that doesn't mean a crap body should be bought... I'll just stick to my 7d/5dmk3 combo if I want a sucky camera to be backup to my main body (I still like my 7d, but, the mk3 beats it at every turn from Af to color cast to IQ....lol)

I was hopeful for different specs... 21 point AF at least (with the same battery as the mk3 and the 7d and mk2!!!!)...

can i still get a decent shot with it? Yes, but, given the choice I'll keep the 7d as back up (or save my pennies for another mk3 or a used 1d4) rather than shell out 2k on that...

so I'm actually totally agreeing with you in a weird way... I'm just fired up cause these specs suck xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx....lol

 

[Marsu42]

WHAT TOOK THEM SO G*****N LONG?!?

It's useless if it hasn't got a precise "camera direction" compass, otherwise I'm perfectly fine with my external tagger that doesn't drain the camera's battery.

I am a two system owner and both vendors don't seem to get it right ...

That's the depressing thing - Canon could get it right, and they actually did with the most of the 5d3. It's currently isn't their fault Sony doesn't license their tech to them but to Nikon. It's just that Canon's knows people are stuck to the brand because of the lenses/flashes and exploits it. And their marketing is very clever and goes to any lengths to make you buy the most expensive stuff by building annoyances into intermediary products. Meanwhile Nikon seems to produce more "complete" products, that's at least true for the d7000 and d600.

 

[DianeK]

And their marketing is very clever and goes to any lengths to make you buy the most expensive stuff by building annoyances into intermediary products. Meanwhile Nikon seems to produce more "complete" products, that's at least true for the d7000 and d600.

Very well articulated indeed.

 

[hmmm]

So everyone, compared to what Nikon's D600 is offering and based on the recently released specs and pics (real or not) what is the most you would pay for this camera? I'm going with $1600.

Agreed - I would consider 1500 the maximum "fair" price for a camera of this spec but I could stretch to 1600 maybe. Just because I've already got some decent glass. Beyond that, the D600 looks to be the better price/performance value. Oh well, it is CR1, and if the "new" sensor is really lower read noise and higher DR that could change things a little.

If this spec turns out be true, and the price is really D600 less only ten percent or so, there will be a lot of people making the transition to FF who will be choosing Nikon.

I used to be a bit of a canonista, but I'm getting more brand agnostic every day. ???

 

[JPL_1020]

11 AF points with a price tag of $2100??? So this a 2K camera because it is FF and it has built in GPS and Wifi - BUT with an ancient AF System? : Ridiculous!!! Canon needs to do better if they want to compete with the D600. I hope the spec is purely rumor....SMH

 

[Wahoowa]

If the specs are true, besides GPS and wifi features and without knowing anything else besides the specs, it's just like having a fresh & updated look to the 5D Mark II. And it will be in the market for the next 2-3 years. A major failure if you ask me.

 

[Woody]

Canon's entry level T4i/650D has a 9-point, all cross-type AF sensor.

I cannot see how the 6D can have an 11-point AF sensor with ONLY 1 cross-type at the center.

 

[RC]

Funny thing is that this 6D (and this thread) wouldn't even exist if it weren't for the existence of the D600. Seems like Canon is clearly in a defensive mode just trying keep Nikon from consuming a specific segment of the market (and I do understand that is business).

Although I like the built-in GPS and WiFi, I believe it is only being added to help lure (primarily) the consumer market from the D600. With the new GP-E1 and E2, there is no way that Canon would add GPS up front. Would I like built-in GPS and WiFi? Sure, but not over AF, build, and form factor. These things aren't "sexy" and won't lure the common consumer. Let Nikon have this new "entry FF" market.

Canon, how about quit playing defense and go on the offense and offer a killer FF body for us serious hobbyists? Keep it in the $2000 - $2500 range, basically a scaled down 5D3.

Disappointed but not surprised with the 6D specs. Still hoping the specs are inaccurate.

 

[viaissimo]

„The Truth of the digital EOS lineup“ for Canons diary, I hope someone in charge for the Canon-EOS-digital-product-line will read here what’s a little bit wrong with the EOS-DSLR-lineup.
I did start to use Canon EOS back in 1996 with an EOS 50E (ELAN IIE). Through the pre-digital years my Canon gear grew by EOS 5, 3, 1V, quite a lot of fixed- and zoom-lenses, Speedlites and accessories. Canon was innovative (think about IS, AF-eye-control, DEP-program, 45-AF-sensors in EOS 3, anti-shake-timing in EOS 10, etc.), more stylish but cheaper than Nikon. So, there are Canon-users like me out there who did spent a lot of money on EOS-gear in the past. For those folks it’s not so easy to switch to Nikon or other vendors than for the guys with one EOS-DSLR and one or two lenses in their bag, I think you know that, but I also think you owe us attention as you did grow with our help.
In 2004 I did start to look out for Canon DSLRs. I can understand that APS-C sensors were the right choice from an economic point of view in the early days as sensors where much more expensive, but that sensor-format did also puzzle all focal-lengths of EF-lenses and zoom-reflectors of older EX-speedlites, a nightmare from the photographic point of view if you had a lot of EF-lenses. So APS-C could only be a temporary workaround for guys like me. To spend again in APS-C gear is close to completely switch the vendor, also there where only little EF-S prime-lenses in the near past.
Eight years later, I think, there still is no attractive EOS-FF-camera. I don’t earn any money with photos, it’s just an intensive hobby. So it’s not that easy to spend a lot of money for that expensive gear. Don’t get me wrong, it’s not that much a matter of price, it’s a value-for-money thing! And you did mess up value for money quite a lot since the digital era, i.e. upper level and high-end DSLRs are nowadays about 2 times higher in price than these segments have been in film-era, but entry- and consumer-level cameras came down to about the same price as analog SLRs have been. So what happend here? Of course we have to pay your firmware- and sensor-development additionally, on the other hand side we save money on not having to buy and develop films any more. That would be an argument for higher DSLR prices compared to film-SLRs. But what about the price-shift in the upper segments? I think you take quite a lot more money for the upper segment DSLRs to fund the highly competitive entry- and consumer-market!
Bad luck for me, as in FF there still is only the overpriced upper- and high-end level left, less value for more money. Let me compare EOS 50D and EOS 5D Mk2 as they where introduced nearly at the same time: list-prices about factor 2 difference (street-price-difference even worse!), 5d Mk2 with 1Ds-style-sensor and video-capability in a quite 500D camera-housing (less quality AF, no flash, no AF-light, no (A-)DEP-program, worse X-Sync, less metering range, less fps even relative to MPx-difference) – that’s not what I understand as „value for money“.
So don’t screw us up with that EOS 6D (?) once again, pamper us with features and value for money. Don’t let us be jealous on Nikon-guys (I’m really very sorry to say, I am since the D700) any more, but let us be proud again to have chosen a Canon in early days! I don’t want to wait over and over again for a FF-camera as you produce scrap over scrap!
At the end, some tipps as you desperately seem to need them:
don’t spend on MPx, raise high ISO, don’t invest in too much AF-sensors (useless without eye-control), but widespread, accurate cross- or x-type sensors for f/5.6, 100% should be state of the art since digital, DON’T forget the flash all the time (also for remote-control; sometimes it’s better to have a bad picture compared to having no photo at all, and charging batteries is not needed), as you raise ISO DON’T forget the AF-light (your AF without light isn’t that good!), swing-screen would be really nice, I never will understand why you discontinued the DEP-program (it’s a feature not often used, but nearly irreplaceable; nobody can tell me he/she can see how to stop down via the viewfinder, and DOF-scales are missing nowadays), no need for high framerates, no need for video, definitely NO NEED for touch-screen, IS would demand an improved anti-shake-program from EOS 10, AF-Microadjust is eagerly needed, forget all that sports/portrait/night/etc. programs, no need for all that built-in picture-effects, I do hope the sad odyssey of the power-switch is over since 7D (couldn’t be that hard to find the right place), also mode-dial and DOF-preview-button will be the same in the future as they are on 5D Mk3, weathersealing is must for that price

 

[ishdakuteb]

cpw has an image of the 6D.

"...There is this nice little "lock" button on the mode dial. This is diffrent from the lower built EOS. This wasn't there on the 7D not on the 5D2. That was available as a 400 bucks upgrade."

well, honesty i will more than happy to trade that lock buton for:
1. 1/8000 shutter speed
2. 19 focus points with all cross

are there anyone who thinks like i do?

 

[DB]

I am surprised about how much anger and disappointment is in these discussion.

Not really surprising given that many CR readers & commentators have been discussing the merits of a 70D (new APS-C flagship) and the likely specs/features for a much improved 7D2...and just a couple of days before Photokina, out of the blue comes a series of stories about a potential new DSLR the 6D (obviously coincides with Nikon's D600).

It seems that the Canon DSLR product line has bifurcated into 2 streams; one very high-end (high price too), the other, a more nondescript 'run-of-the-mill' type DSLR with all of the latest faddish features (but at more reasonable prices), thus leaving a gap in the middle that is frustrating a lot of enthusiasts.

 

[cliffwang]

Funny thing is that this 6D (and this thread) wouldn't even exist if it weren't for the existence of the D600. Seems like Canon is clearly in a defensive mode just trying keep Nikon from consuming a specific segment of the market (and I do understand that is business).

Same thought!

 

[pharp]

Looks like an "almost" ideal travel/nature/landscape camera - smallish, weathersealed, GPS - if $2K for the body, I'll certainly consider one if the IQ is good.

 

[DzPhotography]

well, honesty i will more than happy to trade that lock buton for:
1. 1/8000 shutter speed
2. 19 focus points with all cross

are there anyone who thinks like i do?

yep me. You can even get that lock button installed on the 7D, if you want... :

 

[EchoLocation]

So everyone, compared to what Nikon's D600 is offering and based on the recently released specs and pics (real or not) what is the most you would pay for this camera? I'm going with $1600.

Agreed - I would consider 1500 the maximum "fair" price for a camera of this spec but I could stretch to 1600 maybe.
I used to be a bit of a canonista, but I'm getting more brand agnostic every day. ???

I own a 24-105 and a 50mm 1.4 Sigma along with my 5DC. I wouldn't buy the 6D(at these specs) for any price.
i'm fairly happy with my 5DC overall, i just want to upgrade the AF and downsize on weight a little bit, with a little more high tech feel and better display screen.
If the camera really is these specs I will switch to the D600 or possibly the RX1/NEX FF(when it finally comes.)
I'm sick of Canon overpricing lenses and intentionally crippling camera bodies. If the lenses were expensive and the bodies innovative and competitively priced i'd have no problems(or vice versa,) but at this point i'm basically fed up with Canon.
If the 6D is a 5DII with a 7D AF system I might pay 1700 max, but I'd still probably rather have the D600 at this point, or just buy nothing and wait for mirrorless FF to come.

 

[Hillsilly]

.....don’t invest in too much AF-sensors (useless without eye-control), but widespread, accurate cross- or x-type sensors for f/5.6.....

Couldn't agree more. I've got an older 1Ds Mk ii. If I decide to pick up something newer, one thing that I will be looking for is a wider array of focus points. Its a little annoying having 45 focus points crammed into the centre of the frame. What's the point? (Although, personally I'm hoping for the ability to focus anywhere via a touchscreen.)

Weathersealed, 4.5fps, small body, wifi and GPS and hopefully a street price well below $1999. What's not to like? But really, isnt it just a FF 60D for $1250 more? And with the quality of the APS-C sensors around, isn't everyone just getting tired of the "FF" talk as if it is a compulsory requirement for photography Nirvana?

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

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<strong>Canon EOS 6D Specs?



</strong>I received this spec list this morning, and it seems to have also appeared at <a href=\"http://digicame-info.com/2012/09/eos-6d-20.html\" target=\"_blank\">Digicame-info</a>.</p>
<ul>
<li>A new 20mp sensor</li>
<li>Full Frame</li>
<li>4.5fps</li>
<li>ISO Range 100-25600</li>
<li>DIGIC5+</li>
<li>APS-C Sized body</li>
<li>Weathersealed</li>
<li>SD Card</li>
<li>Built-in Wifi & GPS</li>
<li>11 AF Points, f/2.8 Cross-type in the center.</li>
<li>3″ LCD</li>
<li>Full HD (1920×1080)</li>
<li>Available December 2012</li>
<li>Price: $1999 USD Body Only (Speculated price)</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Source: [<a href=\"http://digicame-info.com/2012/09/eos-6d-20.html\" target=\"_blank\">DC</a>]</strong></p>
<p><strong><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">c</span>r</strong></p>

hmm and how does this possibly bring any non-Canon shooter into the canon world instead of Nikon world???
D600 blows the #### out of it. Unless you have tons of lenses or are dying to use certain lenses.... and a good number of those people might be wanting 5D3 or 7D or whatnot anyway perhaps.

just a rumor though of course

 

[Chosenbydestiny]

I agree with previous commentators that calling this camera a 70D or 80D would make more sense that using xD nomenclature.

No 17 cross type AF points?

Prepare for failure canon.

Disagree. When the 5DMkII disappears, this will be an appealing camera if upgrading from APS-C, save possibly for 7d owners.

+1 on the above comment, as a 7D owner I wouldn't like to upgrade to this rumored spec for a 6D, but what if Canon's plan is to finally discontinue the 5D2 if/when this camera body was launched?

Any Rebel or xxD owner would be faced with a choice between the new 6D FF or the old tech 7D with little or no upgrade in IQ from what they were previously using. Unless of course, Canon brings out a 7D2 sometime in early-2013 with even better specs for around $2500 price territory. But then the big question arises, will a new 7D still have a crop sensor? Will buyers pay more for APS-C than for FF?

People still bought the 5D mark II over the 7D despite the inferior AF points so they could get something more valuable to them with sensor quality. However, at this point, I do think Canon needs to rethink 11 points. We just don't live in a time anymore where 11 points can compete.

 

[samirachiko]

I love Canon. Always loved!.... I don't like Nikon cameras but...... if the 6D it will be so, the D600 Nikon is more and more BETTER!!!

COME ON!!! CANON WE ARE IN THE 2012!!!! A built in TIME LAPSE AT LEAST!!! SOMETHING NEW PLEASE!!!!! WE DON'T NEED ABOUT A STUPID TOUCH SCREEN!!! WE LOVE PHOTOS AND VIDEO!!!!

For NOW Nikon is BETTER... :-[

 

[AG]

You know Canon could throw a spanner in the works and announce this as a 70D instead of a 6D.

Im guessing if they did that a lot of people would stop bitching about this camera being an xD series.
Would also make sense as an entry platform for FF that isn't a "rebel".

Then the xD series can stay as the "Pro" cameras and keep everyone happy.