Canon EOS 6D Specs Leaked?

[bp]

11 AF Points, f/2.8 Cross-type in the center

Weak. Very weak.

UHhhhh, yeah, wtf. 11?!?!

 

[DB]

What are you smoking? My 7D cost 1000 euros, the D800 is nearly 3x that price where I live! That's a higher cost in everybody's language - the language of numbers

Marlboro Lights, why?

7D & D800 are in different leagues, please be rational...

I am 100% rational : you pay more money for a better camera with more MP, higher ISO range etc.

You are irrational stating that the Nikon D800 is better quality for no additional cost. It is one of the most expensive cameras that Nikon sells (apart from their flagship model the D4)

 

[RLPhoto]

No 17 cross type AF points?

Prepare for failure canon.

Disagree. When the 5DMkII disappears, this will be an appealing camera if upgrading from APS-C, save possibly for 7d owners.

I hold to my statement. Whats to stop someone from just buying the MK2 used when the new version may only have marginally better AF? For More $$$, With more than likely the same sensor tech? Hmm?

Because the way it's written "11 AF Points, f/2.8 Cross-type in the center." Its Implying that One AF point will be crosstype. If its 60D like AF with 9 Points, Its equal to the nikon. If it has 17 Point 7D-like AF, I have a reason to buy it over the nikon.

Unless the price is right, It will flop compared to nikon.

 

[DianeK]

Unless the price is right, It will flop compared to nikon.

Yup!

 

[distant.star]

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Excellent example, K. I would add that you need outer focus points that you can rely on. That's what makes the 5D3, 1Dx, etc. so valuable.

I believe most people who do not shoot professionally never go beyond the center focus point. Probably 75% simply take center-focused pictures. Maybe 15% focus and recompose sometimes. Canon surely realizes this, however number of AF points is a magical comparison point the marketers and media use to manipulate buyers.

The amateur can get away with tossing half his pictures due to OOF. If you get one good picture out of 10 while chasing kids around or shooting a car race, that's fine. There's no real cost to pushing the shutter button and later deleting a file. The pro has to make more shots count. Look at all the wedding photographers now swooning over the 5D3 -- so many more keepers, and it's due to AF they never experienced before.

While folks on this forum can claim the AF spec on this possible product is "weak," it's probably all that is needed for the intended buyer. And if they can get the margins right, retailers will move them to this product.

Maybe I'm doing it wrong, but why does one need 60+ autofocus points? I keep my camera set to the center focus. Focus, frame. That's how I learned to operate a camera. Am I doing it wrong?

Perhaps you are doing no wrong for your type of photography... but let me ask you, have you taken portraits with a really fast prime? You cannot use focus/recompose since the DoF is tiny so you need outer focus points to target the eyes ... it is very important for those types of photographers.

 

[K-amps]

No 17 cross type AF points?

Prepare for failure canon.

Disagree. When the 5DMkII disappears, this will be an appealing camera if upgrading from APS-C, save possibly for 7d owners.

I hold to my statement. Whats to stop someone from just buying the MK2 used when the new version may only have marginally better AF? For More $$$, With more than likely the same sensor tech? Hmm?

Because the way it's written "11 AF Points, f/2.8 Cross-type in the center." Its Implying that One AF point will be crosstype. If its 60D like AF with 9 Points, Its equal to the nikon. If it has 17 Point 7D-like AF, I have a reason to buy it over the nikon.

Unless the price is right, It will flop compared to nikon.

Agree... there will be plenty 5dii's available in the used market in great condition for people to buy who are ok with center point AF. Unfortunately Canon will lose people like DianeK who are on the margins...

 

[DB]

40D autofocus is good enough for me with only 9 points.
• 9-point TTL CMOS sensor
• Points cross-type for F5.6 or faster lens
• Center point additionally sensitive with lenses of F2.8 or faster

Do you think that the 6D autofocus with 11pt could be better or same as the 40D ?

If so the 6D as described today is ok for me.

You are the potential customer that Canon Inc. is targeting, so like many others have also said here today, this would certainly be an upgrade for a xxD or xxxD user, whether the price is okay or not remains to be seen.

Canon has sold more lenses since the middle of 2008 (> 40 million) till now than they did in their entire history before that. Likewise they've sold more than 30 million DSLR bodies and back in 2006 that figure was a little more than 20 million - ergo there are many more 40D (and xxxD/xxD) users out there than there are xD DSLR owners and these are the potential customers that Canon will target with their budget-FF whether or not it will be this rumored 6D spec.

 

[mitch.o]

40D autofocus is good enough for me with only 9 points.
• 9-point TTL CMOS sensor
• Points cross-type for F5.6 or faster lens
• Center point additionally sensitive with lenses of F2.8 or faster

Do you think that the 6D autofocus with 11pt could be better or same as the 40D ?

If so the 6D as described today is ok for me.

Wait, the 40D came out over 5 years ago. Is anyone else here okay with a BRAND NEW camera with the same specifications as a 5 year old camera? I'm not particularly pleased with that.

 

[daniel_charms]

This is probably fake, but if true the max price would be $1.5k.

I agree.. 1500 MAX!

I'm getting a slight deja vu here and I wonder why. Hmm, must be because of all those countless forum threads about how the d600 should be/should have been $1,500 max.

Anyway, I see nothing wrong with these specs, other than that maybe the MP should have been a bit higher. I think it's pretty clear that this camera is meant to be the full frame counterpart to the 7D, meant for studio and lanscape photography, rather than wildlife or action shots; hence the slightly lower-specced AF, but also the built-in Wi-Fi (for the budding studio photographer) and GPS.

 

[dtaylor]

Of course we have to wait and see what Canon produces, but...

I'm getting a little annoyed with how Canon is positioning and pricing their models. Throughout the 2000's Canon had the better digital bodies, period. Their lineup made sense and they often out did Nikon on features AND had the better sensors.

Now on the FF side Nikon has the better bodies. On the APS-C side Canon's bodies are stronger, and quite frankly the sensor differences aren't nearly as important as they are made out to be. But the Nikon (i.e. Sony) sensors do have an edge. (There is one patent that is leading to the DR/noise differences and Canon absolutely has to work around it some how.) When you have that situation, you do not let your competition beat you on features or price.

It would have made more sense for Canon to release the 5D3 at $2k, and a 45 MP FF body at $3k. That would have been competitive with Nikon's lineup despite the sensor differences. Instead we get a $3500 (!) "half resolution" 5D3 to compete with the D800, and something on the low end that is feature-crippled compared to the D600. Really Canon?

I would hate to jump ship. I love Canon's lens lineup. And for all the times we hear some Nikon fan say online that their UI is better, I have found that I hate their UI. IMHO Canon has the better UI hands down.

But I have no interest in the 5D3. And if these are the specs for the 6D, I'll have no interest in that either. I have a sinking feeling their high resolution FF will end up being a super expensive 1D-something.

Come on Canon! What happened to the team that was planning bodies during the 2000's? What idiots did you put in charge since then?

 

[madmailman]

I think this was leaked by Canon so they could sell more of their 5D mkii's that they have already made. I do have a question for everybody saying Canon should just put the 7D's AF system on a full fram sensor. Surely the AF system would only cover a very small portion (center only) of the bigger sensor? So essentially a 19 point AF system for a FF sensor would be a completely new AF system?

 

[Dylan777]

IF the spec is true...I think buy 5D III is a better choice. Peopple buying 5D III on ebay around $3000 and they seem to be HAPPY.

 

[RC]

...I think you guys are missing the point... everyone griped they wanted an entry level full frame, they got it... To me, I think this is squarely put right there for those advanced rebel shooters and xxd users who have the option...

True but I don't think the vast majority of us want an "entry level full frame" body. We want an updated 5D2 body that is not $3500 ($2000-$2500 range). Ideally we want a 5D3 but can't or aren't will to pay that price.

I don't get this term "entry level." To me entry level is a low end rebel.

If these specs are true it's a major disappointment. Something needs to give, either the specs or the xD name.

Nope, not buying a 5D2, want better AF and I am investing in RT flashes. I'll just have to be happy with my 7D.

 

[Loswr]

I do have a question for everybody saying Canon should just put the 7D's AF system on a full fram sensor. Surely the AF system would only cover a very small portion (center only) of the bigger sensor? So essentially a 19 point AF system for a FF sensor would be a completely new AF system?

Probably. But actually, not as much smaller as you might think! If they compensate for the larger frame, it means developing a new sensor. If they don't, it means the 6D would have more AF points, and better ones, but the area coverage would be a bit less than that of the 5DII, as you can see in the attached image (5DII in blue, 7D in black, not adjusted for the relative sizes of the image sensors).

The AF area coverage of the 5DII was already not a strong point. When they released the 5DII, they touted the fact that the horizontal point spread was the same as the 1DsIII, conveniently ignoring the fact that the vertical spread was a full row shorter. The 7D's AF sensor on the 6D would mean the loss of a horizontal row, as well.

But even though those outer points would not be very far from the center, they'd be better than the 5DII's AF outer points... :

 

[DB]

I think this was leaked by Canon so they could sell more of their 5D mkii's that they have already made. I do have a question for everybody saying Canon should just put the 7D's AF system on a full fram sensor. Surely the AF system would only cover a very small portion (center only) of the bigger sensor? So essentially a 19 point AF system for a FF sensor would be a completely new AF system?

Correct. Remember the 7D AF system was revolutionary because it was designed with fast shooting in mind (8fps in AI Servo mode using a telephoto zoom) for sports action etc., hence the zone and expansion AF selectable modes - presumably this is why all 19 AF points had to be of the cross-type variety too.

However, the above specs for this rumored 6D with a relatively low frame rate, tells us that it is definitely not a sports action or wildlife intended camera body, ergo the AF system does not need to be as demanding. After all, if the intended user will be shooting portraits or landscapes, then they'll most likely be using centre AF point most of the time.

 

[ishdakuteb]

A new 20mp sensor: OK, no complain
Full Frame: Good
4.5fps: Accepted
ISO Range 100-25600: Accepted
DIGIC5+: Good
APS-C Sized body: Which one? T3? T4i? 60D? or 7D? As if it is T3 or T4i, Nikon D600 is a better choice
Weathersealed: Good
SD Card: Accepted
Built-in Wifi & GPS: Good but not really need it
11 AF Points, f/2.8 Cross-type in the center: One cross type only? Ummm... odd... Nikon D600 is a better choice
3? LCD: Accepted
Full HD (1920×1080): Accepted
Available December 2012: Accepted
Price: $1999 USD Body Only (Speculated price): Sorry, no interested with current specs. To current shooters out there who:
1. Currently use xxxD or xxxxD series wants to upgrade to full frame: Go fo Nikon D600
2. Currently use xxD or 7D series wants to upgrade to full frame:
a. Go for 5D Mark II if you have too many lenses already
b. Go for Nikon 800 if you do not have that many lenses

Sound like "no match" to the 7D, except handling high noise... I think Canon is trying to push its customers to Nikon side

To Canon: Making profit is really important, but maintaining one's current customers as well as drawing more customers is also important. Once entry shooter/newbie goes to Nikon, buy many lenses in the future, my question is will they go back to Canon? I guess probably not. Therefore, Canon must be carefully think prior to pick one from its prototype bodies.

 

[verysimplejason]

This is getting funnier. Canon, do you really want to delight us always?

or Nikon, delighting you always...

 

[floex712]

APS-C sized body? 7d or T4i size?

I agreed, huge difference in body size. 7D is around about the size of both 5D II and III. T4i size not so exciting.

 

[BXL]

Any Rebel or xxD owner would be faced with a choice between the new 6D FF or the old tech 7D with little or no upgrade in IQ from what they were previously using.

Depending on what the Rebel or xxD owner used before, both 60D and 7D still offer an upgrade in IQ. Owning a 450D/XSi, I am currently considering the 60D/70D/7D as a replacement and I can tell you, the 18 MP Sensor of the 60D/7D is a big improvement over the 12 MP Sensor of the 450D.

Unless of course, Canon brings out a 7D2 sometime in early-2013 with even better specs for around $2500 price territory. But then the big question arises, will a new 7D still have a crop sensor? Will buyers pay more for APS-C than for FF?

Buyers bought APS-H even though a cheaper FF existed. And there are action, sport and wildlife photographers which would prefer a high speed Crop-DSLR over the 5D III.

 

[Zlatko]

Looks fake... If this is true... Why the heck does Canon spend so much time figuring out ways to cripple their products instead of going and reworking their sensors...

That's like going to McDonald's to complain that their basic hamburger is a "crippled" version of their Big Mac. You won't get much sympathy (actually, none). If you want a Big Mac, you have to pay the extra $ that it costs.

Thats a silly example... the 6D is not replacing the 1dx, it is replacing the 4 year old 5dii.

Ask the guys who bought 60D, and found out they no longer had AFMA. and this was a prosumer body not a rebel. The 50D had it but they crippled it in the 60D. Numerous other examples.

That certainly proves my point. The 50D was introduced at about $1,400. The 60D was introduced at about $1,100. The 60D currently sells for under $900. So you expected that Canon would cut the price by $300 and not diminish anything in the new camera? Everything would be the same or better (not "crippled" in your view), and they would simply cut the price by $300 and give it a new model number? Would that be rational for a camera manufacturer?

And anyone who bought the 60D without knowing that it didn't have AFMA didn't do even basic research. These details are so easy to look up before you buy.