Canon EOS 70D & EOS 7D Mark II Speculation [CR1]

[facedodge]

I also think there will be little to no improvement in dynamic range.

 

[rocketdesigner]

For video shooters, the big question as the lower end updated bodies are released is:

Will It Have A Headphone Jack?

This feature will sway many of us away from the expense of the mkIII and back to a (hopefully, much...) cheaper crop sensor body like a 7D mkII.

 

[Sadies Best Friend]

I note that the 7D II has rumored to have dual Digic 5 processors, not dual Digic 5+ processors (like in the 1D X). I wonder if someone could shed some light on the advantage\disadvantage of a single 5+ vs dual 5 processors...

I have just updated my 5D II to the new 5D III and like it very much. I'm still getting used to the AF system but so far I love it. If there was anything I wish I could add it would be the ability to add extenders to some of my lenses and have f\8 AF capabilities. The compromise I currently have is my 7D's crop sensor - however the IQ of the 7D falls very short when compared to the IQ of the 5D III. I will not hold out too much hope for firmware advances for f\8 (probably a wash when a extender is attached anyway) but I will look forward to sharper images and increased performance from a 7D II!

 

[pdirestajr]

1 stop of dynamic range improvements isn't exciting to marketing. Doesn't mean much to the majority of consumers either.

They'll need to push buzz worthy features like: Built-in HDR (there is their sensor DR fix), and cutting edge video features like 1080p 60fps super slomo effects. Doesn't the Nex-7 have this? Then other "features" to make you think you NEED to upgrade.

Otherwise, why update an already great camera?

 

[twdi]

Anything about when they could be in the stores?
I need a new cam for my next trip in august and I need to get to know it......

 

[unfocused]

I'm trying to keep focused on the CR1 rating, but...I want to believe...I want to believe.

I don't see Canon recycling the current sensor. So, an 18mp sensor (apprx) is good news since that makes it likely Canon is focusing on sensor improvements, rather than more megapixels. Perhaps 70D and 7DII will share the same sensor and differentiate on other features (as they do currently). I'm okay with that.

70D with a new sensor, almost all the features of the current 7D, except in a 60D body. (I wouldn't be surprised if they restored micro focus adjustment, since they took some grief over that).

7DII with a new sensor, new autofocus and probably slightly higher frame rate and bigger buffer than current 7D. Same basic body, but maybe a little more weather sealing. Canon can do that, stick a fork in it, call it done and I'll be happy.

 

[facedodge]

1 stop of dynamic range improvements isn't exciting to marketing. Doesn't mean much to the majority of consumers either.

They'll need to push buzz worthy features like: Built-in HDR (there is their sensor DR fix), and cutting edge video features like 1080p 60fps super slomo effects. Doesn't the Nex-7 have this? Then other "features" to make you think you NEED to upgrade.

Otherwise, why update an already great camera?

1080 at 60p... that would be nice for many out there for sure.

 

[Deleted member 7828]

Normally don't comment on rumors but just want to say I'd rather Canon stick with 18MP but make improvements in DR and high ISO performance than increase MP count at the expense of those two highly important items. 18MP is honestly enough for me, and seems to already be pushing certain lenses to the edge of their performance capabilities, so...

 

[LuCoOc]

Anything about when they could be in the stores?
I need a new cam for my next trip in august and I need to get to know it......

Don't even think about it. This is a CR1 rumor! Even if it was CR3 with an announcement next week, it could take 2-3 month to start shipping.

I'm glad I bought my 7D last November. It is a great camera and will stay great Camera even after any 7(0)D announcement.

 

[awinphoto]

1 stop of dynamic range improvements isn't exciting to marketing. Doesn't mean much to the majority of consumers either.

They'll need to push buzz worthy features like: Built-in HDR (there is their sensor DR fix), and cutting edge video features like 1080p 60fps super slomo effects. Doesn't the Nex-7 have this? Then other "features" to make you think you NEED to upgrade.

Otherwise, why update an already great camera?

1080 at 60p... that would be nice for many out there for sure.

If the 1dx or 5d3 doesn't have it, i wouldn't hold your breath on that one...

 

[awinphoto]

Normally don't comment on rumors but just want to say I'd rather Canon stick with 18MP but make improvements in DR and high ISO performance than increase MP count at the expense of those two highly important items. 18MP is honestly enough for me, and seems to already be pushing certain lenses to the edge of their performance capabilities, so...

exactly

 

[c.d.embrey]

If the rumor is true, the 70D will be a real EOS Not a POS like the 60D

Maybe Canon has finally made an APS-C camera that will entice me to trade-in my 40D. Even better would be a mirrorless camera with these specs

 

[amarlez]

I'm not buying these specs. It isn't possible to have the autofocus from the full frame 5D III on an APS-C 7D II.

I'd like to see the 70D take the 7D II's place with dual Digic 5s and better autofocus and the 7D II to keep its autofocus, drop the frame rate and go full frame. Probably won't happen but that would keep the Canon nomenclature clean with the full-frame bodies all at xD and APS-C bodies at xxD or xxxD. Pricewise the 7D II would get pushed to $2000 and the 70D up to $1300-1500 — where Canon gives you the option of one $3500 camera or two cameras that together match the specs and cost the same.

 

[Dylan777]

the Current 7D will become the 70D and the 7DII will become the new top Crop camera. Id like to see an improved 18mp sensor with even better AF, and 10FPS! thatd be sweet.

Knowing canons pricing system, expect 2000$ and up.

My 2cents: at least $2500.

 

[dstppy]

70D sounds logical as a more or less rebodied 7D with flipscreen. However the AF of the 7D is already good enough for Bird in Flight and most sports - so the 7D mkII needs more than just a better AF and viewfinder upgrade. It needs better IQ and that is only possible with a new designed sensor ...

If they did that, put MFA back in, they'd seriously have a contender, that's for sure.

 

[dswatson83]

They also need a second card slot in the 7D. Canon really needs to work on low light and DR. I can tell you on my 7D, if you push the shadows much at all, you have some serious issues and it looks like that is almost the same in the 5D mark III. The AF in the 7D is already decent for a sub $2000 camera (especially compared to the 5dII, 8fps is freakishly fast, and 18MP is plenty for almost everyone, but I would love to see better looking shadows in any new sensor and better RAW noise performance because those are weak areas of the Canon.

 

[Loswr]

I'm not buying these specs. It isn't possible to have the autofocus from the full frame 5D III on an APS-C 7D II.

Good point. Physically, it's probably possible, in that the 61-point AF sensor array fits within the APS-C frame (see below). The side points go right to the edge of the frame, which sounds wonderful - but probably too good to be true, as vignetting and distortion will impact AF performance (one reason why there aren't AF points right to the edge of the frame!).

 

[KeithR]

The newly announced Panasonic 12-35 mm (equiv to 24-70 FF) f/2.8 OIS lens (305 g, 58 mm filter thread) + Olympus OM-D look far more attractive to upgraders.

By what possible measure would those toys be "far more attractive" to 7D upgraders, a great many of whom are bird/wildlife/sports shooters?

 

[preppyak]

70d would be getting the 100% VF, new AF system, same sensor (although one could hope they refined it to give better ISO, DR, etc), continuous AF, etc... a pretty decent upgrade... I just hope it returns to a mag alloy body. If so I may retire my 7d and pick this up as my backup body.

Unless your 7D is near death, you'd be retiring it for the exact same camera. Cause the "new" 70D is just the 7D with whatever this continuous auto-focus does.

If they did that, put MFA back in, they'd seriously have a contender, that's for sure.

Wouldn't surprise me if they left it out. Keep the 70D body similar, so its better than the Ti cameras, but not weather-sealed and full-pro style like the 7D, and leave out MFA to make people who want it buy the new 7D. Cause that's one feature they can easily differentiate that will get people to upgrade.

 

[Marine03]

Is Auto Focus micro adjust something most people seem to need? Could this explain why my Nifty Fifty on my 450D sometimes seems just a little bit off?