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Canon EOS 70D & EOS 7D Mark II Speculation [CR1]

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cant canon do a 1.3x n 1.6x crop
or 3x 5x n 10x crop features in stills (like it is there on 600D) for a FF body???
wont it make a cheap F body a better n attractive option???
i mean if a cheap rebel can do it on 1.6x sensor cant it be done on a 18/22 FF sensor ???
making it both a FF, an APSH n an APSC owner's "HONEY"
 
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and keep an eye on this also and what canon has to counter this one

New/updated Nikon D600 specifications:

24.7MP full frame sensor
Weight: 760g (850g with battery and memory cards), the D800 weights 900g
3.2" LCD with 921K dot with ambient sensor control
HDMI output
Video compression: H264/MPEG-4
Full HD with 30p, 25p, 24p, HD with 60p, 50p, 30p, 25p
Viewfinder coverage: 100% for FX , 97% for Dx
The Nikon D600 will have built-in AF motor
The body most probably will be weather sealed
The D600 may not have built-in GPS as initially reported
ISO range: 100-6400 (with Lo-1 ISO 50 and Hi-2 ISO 25,600)
39 AF points (with an option of 11 AF points), 9 cross-type AF points
AF face detection
Exposure compensation: ±5 EV (same as the D800)
The D600 will probably use the EN-EL15 rechargeable Li-ion battery

The price of the D600 is rumored to be very low - maybe as low as $1500

Read more on NikonRumors.com: http://nikonrumors.com/#ixzz1vl47D4pM

to me 5d2 in a lil bit pimped body n price in sub $2000 would make it hell of a re-birth ...
 
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babarasghar said:
cant canon do a 1.3x n 1.6x crop
or 3x 5x n 10x crop features in stills (like it is there on 600D) for a FF body???
wont it make a cheap F body a better n attractive option???
i mean if a cheap rebel can do it on 1.6x sensor cant it be done on a 18/22 FF sensor ???
making it both a FF, an APSH n an APSC owner's "HONEY"

like nikon? from FX to DX the resolution is greatly reduced ....from 36 to 16 in d800, from 12 to 5 in d700
 
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but still ... y we r not keeping an eye on what nikon is gona launch ...
a 24.7 MP FF sensor with FX n DX capability
and look at rumoured price ... even if it is not a realistic figuer considering the price of D3200 but the features r quite interesting for a sub $2000 FF

n even in APSC ... we r seeing a 3rd gen of bodies using same 18mp sensor
with digic 5 NR ... do u guys thing canon would spend more to make a sensor n then keep its size at 18mp?
thats very lame i say ... if i am spending on a new sensor n make it again an 18mp ... why i even made it ...
even DIGIC 5 will give the old 18mp a bit better high ISO performance ... some one who knows in-depth about DIGIC 5 can put us wise as how much this DIGIC 5 will boost the capability of same old 18mp sensor
 
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babarasghar said:
and keep an eye on this also and what canon has to counter this one

New/updated Nikon D600 specifications:

24.7MP full frame sensor
Weight: 760g (850g with battery and memory cards), the D800 weights 900g
3.2" LCD with 921K dot with ambient sensor control
HDMI output
Video compression: H264/MPEG-4
Full HD with 30p, 25p, 24p, HD with 60p, 50p, 30p, 25p
Viewfinder coverage: 100% for FX , 97% for Dx
The Nikon D600 will have built-in AF motor
The body most probably will be weather sealed
The D600 may not have built-in GPS as initially reported
ISO range: 100-6400 (with Lo-1 ISO 50 and Hi-2 ISO 25,600)
39 AF points (with an option of 11 AF points), 9 cross-type AF points
AF face detection
Exposure compensation: ±5 EV (same as the D800)
The D600 will probably use the EN-EL15 rechargeable Li-ion battery

The price of the D600 is rumored to be very low - maybe as low as $1500

Read more on NikonRumors.com: http://nikonrumors.com/#ixzz1vl47D4pM

to me 5d2 in a lil bit pimped body n price in sub $2000 would make it hell of a re-birth ...

As low as 1500 bucks huh? ??? Doesn't matter, they could give them away and I still wouldn't shoot with Nikon. (blech) ;)
 
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If those specs are correct I'm supprized there calling it the D600, looks like it'll either outspec or equal the D700 in most areas.

While I'd love for it to be true $1500 doesnt seem like a very realistic price to me.

The most obvious comeback from Canon to me would be a camera similar in spirit to the 5D mk2, that its a higher MP sensor minus many of the pro features of the 5D mk3.
 
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babarasghar said:
and keep an eye on this also and what canon has to counter this one

New/updated Nikon D600 specifications:

24.7MP full frame sensor
Weight: 760g (850g with battery and memory cards), the D800 weights 900g
3.2" LCD with 921K dot with ambient sensor control
HDMI output
Video compression: H264/MPEG-4
Full HD with 30p, 25p, 24p, HD with 60p, 50p, 30p, 25p
Viewfinder coverage: 100% for FX , 97% for Dx
The Nikon D600 will have built-in AF motor
The body most probably will be weather sealed
The D600 may not have built-in GPS as initially reported
ISO range: 100-6400 (with Lo-1 ISO 50 and Hi-2 ISO 25,600)
39 AF points (with an option of 11 AF points), 9 cross-type AF points
AF face detection
Exposure compensation: ±5 EV (same as the D800)
The D600 will probably use the EN-EL15 rechargeable Li-ion battery

The price of the D600 is rumored to be very low - maybe as low as $1500

Read more on NikonRumors.com: http://nikonrumors.com/#ixzz1vl47D4pM

to me 5d2 in a lil bit pimped body n price in sub $2000 would make it hell of a re-birth ...

Hmmm, i believe that Nikon will use an already existing (exactly the same D3X ) sensor due to the final product price tag. If the rumors are correct a $1500-1800 is a very low price for a FF camera with those specs.

In my opinion investing in a new sensor for a quite low price camera is unlikely. More reasonable is to use an already researched and tested ( cheap to produce due to the already existing instruments) sensor.
 
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moreorless said:
The most obvious comeback from Canon to me would be a camera similar in spirit to the 5D mk2, that its a higher MP sensor minus many of the pro features of the 5D mk3.

I've written this before :-p but again I wish Nikon will kick Canon's a** to release competitive products in the mid price range. Given the resources Canon has, I don't think they'll withdraw from the race, so the only way is forward.

But what are the "pro" features of the 5d3 that only "pros" will need? Good af? 6fps? sealed, durable body? It would be interesting if they cut these specs to that of the 5d2 or even further in some entry ff body.

However, given all the advantages aps-c has (cheaper sensor, longer reach, affordable ultrawides) and that consumers usually won't even max out the current 18mp sensor maybe I am wishing for a 5d2 successor, but Canon will really release a 70d @1400$ and a 7d2 @2000$+
 
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Marsu42 said:
I've written this before :-p but again I wish Nikon will kick Canon's a** to release competitive products in the mid price range. Given the resources Canon has, I don't think they'll withdraw from the race, so the only way is forward.

Personally when it comes to FF I'm not really invested in Canon much(only a 100mm macro I bought relatively cheaply used) so if Nikon offer a better cheaper option I'll be switching if/when I upgrade.

I'd agree though it seems like its Canons turn to learn to cater to the prosumer market more effectively the same way Nikon learned to cater to the entry level and higher end markets a few years ago.

But what are the "pro" features of the 5d3 that only "pros" will need? Good af? 6fps? sealed, durable body? It would be interesting if they cut these specs to that of the 5d2 or even further in some entry ff body.

I don't think you could get away with the 5D mk2's AF anymore personally and I wouldnt expect Canon to take that route given that this seems to be an area there universally upgrading this generation. There is alot of room between that and the 1DX/5D mk3 AF though, 20-30 points widely spaced would I'd guess me enough for many.
The rest of the 5D mk2 plus a high MP sensor seems like it could be a sucess to me though provided the price is right.

To me the sucess of the 5D mk2 and the D800 seem to hint that with amatures resolution is still what sells best, areas like landscape are afterall largely amature or semi pro.

Rather than offering high specs/high MP and lower specs/lower MP together as Nikon seem to me doing with the D800/D600 offering high MP/lower specs seems like it could be an effective way to target this market. If you take that route Canon could also potentially target the the former 1Ds market aswell if they wanted to, a 1DX body with a higher MP sensor and say 6 FPS would be heavly differentiated from a 5D mk2ish high MP body.
 
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Marsu42 said:
But what are the "pro" features of the 5d3 that only "pros" will need? Good af? 6fps? sealed, durable body? It would be interesting if they cut these specs to that of the 5d2 or even further in some entry ff body.

I dont think the 5DIII has many pro features - it is just a very good all round camera that delivers very good IQ. It may be used for professional purposes but it just doesn't excel at anything.

I 'new cutdown 5DII' would bomb due to the relatively poor AF - perhaps if the AF was limited to the 7D level AF it would cut it as an updated 5DII.
 
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Astro said:
to be honest the D600 from nikon sounds more interesting then all of this...

Nikon fanboys give over exagerated rumour, Canon fanboys are all doom and gloom and develop a mindset that wants to move to Nikon.

And that is before we have ANY information about what is coming. I can guarantee that whatever Canon deliver we will get the Nikon is best fanfare without any objective analysis or facts or hands on based on a Nikon biased website
 
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briansquibb said:
I dont think the 5DIII has many pro features - it is just a very good all round camera that delivers very good IQ. It may be used for professional purposes but it just doesn't excel at anything. I 'new cutdown 5DII' would bomb due to the relatively poor AF - perhaps if the AF was limited to the 7D level AF it would cut it as an updated 5DII.

Exactly what I was thinking - there's not that much to cut from the 5d3 (let alone "pro" features) since tech has moved on since the release of the 5d2. It'll be interesting to see how Canon will fill the 5d2 gap and compete with Nikon's good aps-c bodies at the same time.
 
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Marsu42 said:
Exactly what I was thinking - there's not that much to cut from the 5d3 (let alone "pro" features) since tech has moved on since the release of the 5d2. It'll be interesting to see how Canon will fill the 5d2 gap and compete with Nikon's good aps-c bodies at the same time.

They don't need to 'cut' features off from the 5DII, they just need to 'upsize' the newest Rebel ( with all its features, build quality and limitations ) and put in a FF sensor ... And you get a perfectly legitimate 'Entry-level Full-frame' camera at an entry-level price.
 
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maxxevv said:
Marsu42 said:
Exactly what I was thinking - there's not that much to cut from the 5d3 (let alone "pro" features) since tech has moved on since the release of the 5d2. It'll be interesting to see how Canon will fill the 5d2 gap and compete with Nikon's good aps-c bodies at the same time.

They don't need to 'cut' features off from the 5DII, they just need to 'upsize' the newest Rebel ( with all its features, build quality and limitations ) and put in a FF sensor ... And you get a perfectly legitimate 'Entry-level Full-frame' camera at an entry-level price.

Why not keep the 5D2 as the entry level ff by putting making a 5D between the 5dII and 5dIII by upgrading the af to 7D standards?

Then we could have:

5DII classic at $1500
5DIIn - classic with updated AF at $2000
5DIII at $3000
 
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My take of the recent 7D Mark II speculation.

Based on the previous experience, I noticed most of CR's rumors would be proven credible when the final product released. This assumption leads me back to the 7Dii rumor archive. Carefully sorting through the limited information there, we may find all those contraversial pieces actually can form a big picture:

Dec 28, 2011
Photokina 2012 announcement conforms with this rumor which almost can be taken as a fact (CR3?). However two different formats mentioned here: APS-C or APS-H (which actually indicates the new release is not a direct sequel of the current 7D, since APS-H will not take EF-S lenses. Is this the same suggested by the Feb 14 rumor?)
If the current thread about 70D & 7Dii is credible, then will it be possible that the two formats mentioned on Dec 28 were actually from two different bodies? As the next few rumors suggested, both 70D and 7Dii can be treated as the new "update" of current 7D to certain degree.

Feb 14, 2012
"Canon will not make an update for 7D", can be two different interpretations. It could indicate that 7D line is discontinued like 1D4, or it could also mean that too much changes are made to the update candidate, causing some basic compatibility issue (like the change to APS-H could introduce) and cannot be called an "update".
If the update of 60D (i.e. 70D) will take the current 7D position as suggested by that rumor, I would expect the new 70D will be a little inferior to the current 7D. (This is further confirmed in May 9 rumor stating the 60D and 7D will meet in the middle in terms of features and build quality.) In this case, if Canon doesn't at the same time providing a superior "update" for 7D, the very popular and market successful top APS-C 7D will be ended up with an "Inferior" update only. Does it sounds too weird?
This also indicates the coming new 7 series release will not be called 7D mark ii, probably 7Ds or 7DX.

May 9, 2012
This rumor is mainly about the inferior update 70D. The details elaborated here further confirmed 70D is not the new release in the 7 serious.

May 14, 2012
Traces are not very clear here. It sounds to me, information from 70D and 7Ds/7DX are mixed together which buffled CR.

May 21, 2012. The current thread.
Rumors become clearer now. We have two different "updates" of 7D.
What caught my attention is not the specs listed here, but the carefully total avoidance of sensor! Given the current MP and DR hypes, what Canon needs most at this moment is certain degree improvement in sensor technology.
Given Canon's leading position in lens technology over Nikon, I would expect the main battle area for the two big giants in the next few years will be in the sensor area. However, if Canon places in directly a counterpart high MP body to compete with Nikon, and coundn't beat it (which is quite likely from what we can see now), Canon might risk some landsliding loss of market share. If I were Canon, I would try to use some indirect approach, without direct confrontation. One of best candidates to test Canon's new sensor technology is an APS-H body. If it succeeds, then it can be introduced in a FF body. If it fails, it's still a comparison between apple and orange. Besides 7 series is not flagship, any failure in it will not cause any big disaster.
If let me speculate, the most possible megapixel in the possible APS-H 7Ds or 7DX could be around 21MP to 24MP. 21MP is around 36MP in FF in terms of pixel density. 21MP in APS-H has larger pixel size than current 7D, which should naturally provide better IQ given all other factors are kept the same. If any extra improvement can be provided, the new 7 series body is almost for sure will be a success, and that will buy enough time for Canon for its high MP body.

DISCLAIMER: my above take is actually heavily biased.
I am fully captured by the 24-70L II, but my most used focal range is somewhere from 30 to 90mm. That needs an APS-H body to shift the range to my favorite area. Hence, the hope of continuing APS-H line.
;) :) :D ;D
 
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briansquibb said:
Why not keep the 5D2 as the entry level ff by putting making a 5D between the 5dII and 5dIII by upgrading the af to 7D standards?

Then we could have:

5DII classic at $1500
5DIIn - classic with updated AF at $2000
5DIII at $3000

I'd guess theres only so far the savings on the 5D mk2 can go though and if these Nikon specs/prices do proove to be correct at $1500 it would not be competitive, surely a major issue with an entry level FF body since alot of users arent going to be tied down to a system.

Specs like...

5D mk3 sensor and FPS
1Ds mk3 AF
5D mk2 build quality
100% viewfinder
Single card slot.

...seems like it would be pretty comopetitive with this rumoured Nikon while differentiating it from the 5D mk3, offering F/8 focusing to a budget market who are less likely to be able to afford super teles seems to make sense tp me aswell.

maxxevv said:
They don't need to 'cut' features off from the 5DII, they just need to 'upsize' the newest Rebel ( with all its features, build quality and limitations ) and put in a FF sensor ... And you get a perfectly legitimate 'Entry-level Full-frame' camera at an entry-level price.

I'm not sure I see this happening, we might label a camera an "entry level" FF but really the market is vastly different from a Rebel. Your still talking at least $1500 and for that amount of people are going to expect higher build quality, plus if your selling an unsealed body your limating the market for sealed L lenses in the future, one of the big reasons for offering a cheap FF body in the first place.
 
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briansquibb said:
Why not keep the 5D2 as the entry level ff by putting making a 5D between the 5dII and 5dIII by upgrading the af to 7D standards?

Then we could have:

5DII classic at $1500
5DIIn - classic with updated AF at $2000
5DIII at $3000

Its cheaper to produce a camera with Rebel-like quality and features compared to the 5DII.
 
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