Canon EOS 70D & EOS 7D Mark II Speculation [CR1]
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maxxevv said:
I'd say thats what I was doing, a $1500 FF camera is simpley a very different market to a $600 ASPC camera and the expactations(and likely the competsion from Nikon) will be higher when it comes to build.
As I said I think a big negative of an unsealed plastic body is that it would limate sales of well build sealed L lenses to users. I'm guessing that if Nikon and Canon start selling cheap relatively well speced FF cameras at low profit margins generating future lenses sales will be a large part of the reason for it.
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Your amount of friends with a 7d1 just dropped to zero 
While I thought the Canon 7d was a great camera and I was very close to buying one, I don't understand why I am being shunned because of my decision to not purchase something that did not meet my requirements.
dlleno said:
While I thought the Canon 7d was a great camera and I was very close to buying one, I don't understand why I am being shunned because of my decision to not purchase something that did not meet my requirements.
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trid1977 said:
Well, with 3 posts you maybe haven't figured this out: about 1/3rd of the posts are there to protect people's peace of mind for having the equipment and esp. camera bodies they bought, just get used to it
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trid1977 said:
There was a shunning? Damn, I missed the memo.
trid1977 said:
There may be another APS-H camera someday, but for now if you want a bigger sensor than APS-C, that's a 5-series or a 1-series. It's very unlikely the 7-series will get anything other than an APS-C sensor. Likewise, multi-spot metering is now the province of the 1-series bodies, and lesser bodies don't have it, not even the 5DIII although it got the 1-series AF system. Sounds like the 1D X is the answer to many of your needs...
Soft focus? I must say, I do find Google hits for '7D soft focus' - 327,000 of them, in fact - but then again, when I search 'Subaru Outback transmission problems' I see twice as many hits, and neither of our two Outbacks has had issues. On my 7D, focus is fast and accurate (after AFMA).
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trid1977 said:Your amount of friends with a 7d1 just dropped to zero
dlleno said:
While I thought the Canon 7d was a great camera and I was very close to buying one, I don't understand why I am being shunned because of my decision to not purchase something that did not meet my requirements.
Im confused as to what a weather sealing warranty has to do with any of this, your personal camera choices, or why anyones 7D freind count matters 8)
I didn't see any shunning either, btw
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neuroanatomist said:
+1 I bought my 7D from an owner who was getting soft pictures. He couldn't have understand how to use it or used cheap lens on it because for me I have had nothing but sharp images.
- keep the shutter speed high and use the factory defaults (except for using the AF expansion point)
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neuroanatomist said:trid1977 said:
There was a shunning? Damn, I missed the memo.
trid1977 said:
There may be another APS-H camera someday, but for now if you want a bigger sensor than APS-C, that's a 5-series or a 1-series. It's very unlikely the 7-series will get anything other than an APS-C sensor. Likewise, multi-spot metering is now the province of the 1-series bodies, and lesser bodies don't have it, not even the 5DIII although it got the 1-series AF system. Sounds like the 1D X is the answer to many of your needs...
Soft focus? I must say, I do find Google hits for '7D soft focus' - 327,000 of them, in fact - but then again, when I search 'Subaru Outback transmission problems' I see twice as many hits, and neither of our two Outbacks has had issues. On my 7D, focus is fast and accurate (after AFMA).
They should release a new line with aps H. 7d is aps c, 6d could be aps h, and 5d as ff.
BTW, when they first started the 5d line, how did they settle on 5 as the number? why not 2d? Not saying it was a bad idea, just wondering how that came to that decision?
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lonebear said:<lots of good research>
Given Canon's leading position in lens technology over Nikon, I would expect the main battle area for the two big giants in the next few years will be in the sensor area. However, if Canon places in directly a counterpart high MP body to compete with Nikon, and coundn't beat it (which is quite likely from what we can see now), Canon might risk some landsliding loss of market share. If I were Canon, I would try to use some indirect approach, without direct confrontation. One of best candidates to test Canon's new sensor technology is an APS-H body. If it succeeds, then it can be introduced in a FF body. If it fails, it's still a comparison between apple and orange. Besides 7 series is not flagship, any failure in it will not cause any big disaster.
If let me speculate, the most possible megapixel in the possible APS-H 7Ds or 7DX could be around 21MP to 24MP. 21MP is around 36MP in FF in terms of pixel density. 21MP in APS-H has larger pixel size than current 7D, which should naturally provide better IQ given all other factors are kept the same. If any extra improvement can be provided, the new 7 series body is almost for sure will be a success, and that will buy enough time for Canon for its high MP body.
DISCLAIMER: my above take is actually heavily biased.
I am fully captured by the 24-70L II, but my most used focal range is somewhere from 30 to 90mm. That needs an APS-H body to shift the range to my favorite area. Hence, the hope of continuing APS-H line.
shout out to lonebear for your most useful collection of thoughts, analysis of pixel density, and speculations worth reading -- and even for revealing your own bias. I don't care what they call it, but I'm with you and wish for something with an APS-H sensor!
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dlleno said:wish for something with an APS-H sensor!lonebear said:<lots of good research>
Given Canon's leading position in lens technology over Nikon, I would expect the main battle area for the two big giants in the next few years will be in the sensor area. However, if Canon places in directly a counterpart high MP body to compete with Nikon, and coundn't beat it (which is quite likely from what we can see now), Canon might risk some landsliding loss of market share. If I were Canon, I would try to use some indirect approach, without direct confrontation. One of best candidates to test Canon's new sensor technology is an APS-H body. If it succeeds, then it can be introduced in a FF body. If it fails, it's still a comparison between apple and orange. Besides 7 series is not flagship, any failure in it will not cause any big disaster.
If let me speculate, the most possible megapixel in the possible APS-H 7Ds or 7DX could be around 21MP to 24MP. 21MP is around 36MP in FF in terms of pixel density. 21MP in APS-H has larger pixel size than current 7D, which should naturally provide better IQ given all other factors are kept the same. If any extra improvement can be provided, the new 7 series body is almost for sure will be a success, and that will buy enough time for Canon for its high MP body.
DISCLAIMER: my above take is actually heavily biased.
I am fully captured by the 24-70L II, but my most used focal range is somewhere from 30 to 90mm. That needs an APS-H body to shift the range to my favorite area. Hence, the hope of continuing APS-H line.
amen my brothers! love the ASP-H
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briansquibb said:
I bought my 7D new. I had "soft" focus issues from the beginning. Not so much you could tell from the LCD on the camera screen, but enough to ruin photos once viewed from your PC. They were NOT sharp. I have shot with several camera bodies (I own the XT, XTi, T1i, 40D, 50D, 5D2...) and have several lenses so this is NOT my first rodeo, so please excuse my post if you disagree that some 7D's have a "soft focus" issue.
I have several excellent quality lenses from Canon (some L) and my focus issue was with all of them and ONLY on my 7D. After 4 months of frustrating photos I sent my camera back to Canon. Their conclusion? My AF sensor was misaligned and needed adjustment. The result??? Perfect focus and super sharp images. (All within a week of sending it in.) I posed a scan of my repair order to "prove" my claim.
The "soft focus" problem is REAL for some models of the 7D. Does it affect ALL of them? No. But, Canon took care of the problem and fixed it under warranty. Am I unhappy with my 7D? NO!!!
It is a great camera and like all sophisticated electronics, it is subject to occasional problems and fixes from time to time.
I think it is unfair of you to claim that "focus issues" are solely user error and not perhaps a real problem. (Google this for yourself! It IS real!!!) Or perhaps I didn't "understand" my 7D before Canon looked at it, who knows? Just my 2 cents...
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I thought it would be fair to post a "before" and "after" photo of the "focus" fix. Photo '7d test 1' was before and '7d test 2' was after. The images speak for themselves. Same lens, same camera, same crop size (within reason).
But then again, maybe I didn't understand how to use my camera before Canon "fixed" it. (sigh :)
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But then again, maybe I didn't understand how to use my camera before Canon "fixed" it. (sigh :
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Richard8971 said:
I have never claimed that all "focus issues" are solely user error - so I am unsure why you are being so agressively defensive.
However what I am sure of is that when people with a problem shout long and loud (with a genuine problem) then others without a hardware problem get doubts in their head and interpret poor user performance as their camera having the problem. This suited me fine as I got a near mint 7D for £700 because the owner convinced himself that his 7D had the "focus issue" and the 7D was out of warantee.
This forum is littered with such mass hysteria for all sorts of street myths that turn into 'facts' over a period of time.
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briansquibb said:
Exactly my point. There IS a problem with the 7D. Canon needs to fix it. Kinda like the Edsel, remember?
And for the record, I am not being "defensive". I am pointing out a real problem with a real camera and proving it. Not all problems are "user" error as you claimed, just my opinion. Take it as that.
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briansquibb said:
Well, maybe not ALL of the reported focus problems you are blaiming on "user error", (which I admitted in a previous post) but I cannot help not notice that your answer to your "soft focus" problem on your own 7D, is to 'keep the shutter speed high'?? ??? And of course, I cannot help but notice that you blamed his "soft focus issue" on his lack of "understanding" of his 7D. Hmmm....
That is not a legitimate answer. That is in fact, a bandage to a problem. I bet if you sent your 7D to Canon they would find a problem. Forgive me but, I cannot always "keep my shutter speed high" to insure sharp images. Sometimes, I have to shoot "old school" and slow things down a bit. 8) And, when I do, I expect, super sharp images. Which of course, is what I get now that my 7D has been fixed by Canon.
Don't believe me? Check out the photos I posted in a previous post to this thread. D
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Richard8971 said:briansquibb said:
Well, maybe not ALL of the reported focus problems you are blaiming on "user error", (which I admitted in a previous post) but I cannot help not notice that your answer to your "soft focus" problem on your own 7D, is to 'keep the shutter speed high'?? ??? And of course, I cannot help but notice that you blamed his "soft focus issue" on his lack of "understanding" of his 7D. Hmmm....
That is not a legitimate answer. That is in fact, a bandage to a problem. I bet if you sent your 7D to Canon they would find a problem. Forgive me but, I cannot always "keep my shutter speed high" to insure sharp images. Sometimes, I have to shoot "old school" and slow things down a bit. 8) And, when I do, I expect, super sharp images. Which of course, is what I get now that my 7D has been fixed by Canon.
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In my experience, and on this forum too, there is a minority who shoot slow, thinking that IS keeps the image sharp - and then wonder why their images are soft as they dont understand about motion blur.
Yes I do think the previous owner of my 7D did not understand - I have had nothing but sharp pictures from the camera. I have never had a soft focus issue with my 7D which you are now claiming I have - the previous owner did - but that WAS a user error.
So far you have accused me of saying:
- all focus problems can be blaimed on "user error"
- my 7D has a focus error which I am applying bandage to the problem
So two libellous accusations so far - any more?
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