Canon EOS 7D Mark III Coming First Half of 2018 [CR2]

[goldenhusky]

Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Coming First Half of 2018 [CR2]

Good job again CR after all the rumor has to go on isn't it I do not expect Canon to release 7D3 in 2018 and if they did that will be nice but I have no interest in this camera unless Canon bumps up video specs which most likely it is not going to happen. The next camera I am interested in is 5DsR2. I guess that will not happen until late 2019 or 2020.

My guess on 7D3 specs are
24mp
DPAF
CF and SD
fixed touch screen
May be a newer focus system
4k 30p MJPEG
2 or 3 more FPS
I would be happy to be proven wrong on some of the specs.

 

[scyrene]

Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Coming First Half of 2018 [CR2]

well, house insurance is mandatory for a mortgage.

I genuinely did not know that. I've learned something today!

 

[Cthulhu]

Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Coming First Half of 2018 [CR2]

...when's the last time a product line got refreshed faster than it did before? I'm hard pressed to think of when that was...

...yes, the 7D3 could absolutely come next year, but it would be rather un-Canon-like to do so. If it did, one would logically think the D500 + 200-500 combo was indeed doing market share damage to Canon such that it felt compelled to shake things up with their pipeline...

I think the 7D and 7D II timeline is misleading. There were a couple of unique factors from what I can tell. First, Nikon all but abandoned the market at the time, leaving the 7D with no competition. Second, there is some evidence that Canon was undertaking major changes in its manufacturing that may have delayed development of the 7DII. The firmware release of the 7D 1/2 was certainly unusual and kind of screws up any timeline for the 7D series.

Still, even with all that factored in, the refresh does seem to be coming sooner than expected (if the rumor is correct). I don't doubt for a minute that the D500 may have something to do with that -- although in terms of actual performance, the 7DII holds its own against the newer D500. (The sample photograph someone posted above that was shot with a D500 doesn't show anything that couldn't be done with a 7DII)

I would add that I think Canon did make a couple of errors with the 7DII by not including a full touch screen, full wifi and multiple f8 focus points. The fact that they released the wifi card is pretty strong evidence that they know they make a mistake on that front.

Finally, perception can be everything and even though the 7DII gives up very little ground to the D500, that is not what many people think. So I agree Canon may be feeling some competitive pressure.

If they release the 7DIII with a 500mm f5.6 "L" zoom that sells for $3,000 or less they will recapture any lost ground and then some. I personally hope they steer away from a cheap "consumer" zoom like Nikon's.

I'm sorry but the D500 wipes the floor with the 7d2 in terms of image quality and performance, while having all the bells and whistles. It is exactly what I hoped the 7d2 would have been and I'd be very syrprised if Canon hasn't been working hard to best it.

 

[Don Haines]

Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Coming First Half of 2018 [CR2]

The leading photographers and photo professional associations should take the lead and raise the bar in calling on industry to support compulsory dual redundant card standard in professional settings.

And what is a professional setting?

A pro uses whatever the right tool for the job is..... GoPros have been used to shoot scenes in Hollywood blockbusters, they are used in the Indy circuit.... I use a 6D in the anechoic chamber.... others use rebels at weddings... P/S cameras get used at national (and Olympic level) sporting events because they can be but in awkward places and controlled by WiFi.... and the drone we use for inspection work can not lift a 1DX2 and L glass....

There is no such thing as a pro camera. That is marketing hype..... For what you wish to be true, then EVERY camera needs a dual redundant slot and there can be no way for the photographer to bypass it. NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!

 

[Don Haines]

Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Coming First Half of 2018 [CR2]

I'm sorry but the D500 wipes the floor with the 7d2 in terms of image quality and performance, while having all the bells and whistles. It is exactly what I hoped the 7d2 would have been and I'd be very syrprised if Canon hasn't been working hard to best it.

Of course it does.... it is newer.....

And the 7D3 will be better than the D500....

And the successor to the D500 will be better than the 7D3...

And so on, and so on, and so on....

Both are great cameras and you can't go wrong with either!

 

[rrcphoto]

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The leading photographers and photo professional associations should take the lead and raise the bar in calling on industry to support compulsory dual redundant card standard in professional settings.

the cameras aren't redundant, unless the buffers are nonvolatile memory and redundant as well. with cameras with 200+ shot buffers, thinking dual cards will protect you is like getting free antivirus software and leaving your firewall wide open.

it's an idiotic assumption, and you *STILL* can't guarantee that if the camera powers off at exactly the wrong moment that both cards aren't hosed simply being is that if they are writing at the same time, there's a high degree of certainty that they are *wear leveling* at the same time. if power dies during wear leveling, undesirable events may occur.

to have "redundant" cards as you put it, you'd have to have nonvolatile memory, change the write API for SD/CF cards to not perform wear leveling asynchronously, and for the camera to to a "read verify" of the image before removing it from said nonvolatile memory.

Since that will never be done, the protection offered by dual cards is convenient, however it's certainly not redundant.

Everyone *SHOULD* be rotating their SD/CF cards anyways, because they DO wear out over time.

 

[Khufu]

Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Coming First Half of 2018 [CR2]

As somebody who's never been remotely emotionally invested in the APSC-Overkill line known as the 7D series, and having watched the 3-4 year cycle of "The Mark II is coming!" rumours with great amusement prior to its actual announcement, I'm quite confident in saying rumours of the Mark III coming any time before 2019 seem ridiculous...

The 7D2 is doing fine. It's not going anywhere and it's not due to. I see someone posted a timeline which pretended the 7D was a 2010 camera; it wasn't. I was in HK in 2009 and it was all the rage back then... Maaaybe the Mark III shall be a very late 2018 release or announcement but I can't imagine Canon are in a hurry to suggest the 7D2 isn't the camera for whoever these Full-Frame-oblivious fanatics are who buy so many units... In my experience they're snapped up by anxious-to-be-professionals who don't yet realise they're not actually the best tool for the job; yeah, they mostly want to be event photographers but the camera store convinced them they want a 7D2...

I'm waffling, I don't really care about this camera series and it's not going anywhere yet anyway, guys

 

[rrcphoto]

Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Coming First Half of 2018 [CR2]

As somebody who's never been remotely emotionally invested in the APSC-Overkill line known as the 7D series, and having watched the 3-4 year cycle of "The Mark II is coming!" rumours with great amusement prior to its actual announcement, I'm quite confident in saying rumours of the Mark III coming any time before 2019 seem ridiculous...

The 7D2 is doing fine. It's not going anywhere and it's not due to. I see someone posted a timeline which pretended the 7D was a 2010 camera; it wasn't. I was in HK in 2009 and it was all the rage back then... Maaaybe the Mark III shall be a very late 2018 release or announcement but I can't imagine Canon are in a hurry to suggest the 7D2 <snip>

in feb-march the 7D2 is 3.5 years old. no earthquake no tsunami to disrupt schedules. Canon replaced 1 series bodies quicker than that in the past. there's no reason they won't update the 7D if they feel the need to do so.

 

[dak723]

Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Coming First Half of 2018 [CR2]

Please Canon, less focus on video features and more on improving image quality, noise, high ISO, sharpness performance. While the upgrade in af system and other features where great in the 7Dii, I was always disappointed in any image quality improvements there where. The time for for 4K was in the 6DII which is more likely to be used as a wedding camera and you missed the boat on that one. Just my opinion.

You do understand that this site is NOT associated with Canon in any way. So, if you have opinions for Canon, you should contact Canon.

 

[aceflibble]

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Rubbish. Every time this talk of 'second card slot' comes up it is clear there are many pros who don't think a second slot is important.
And even if it is not one that some pros look to as a primary camera,if you are saying lack of dual slots remove it as a back up I would venture you don't really know what you are talking about.

You've clearly never had a card fail on a professional job, costing you that job; I have. So has every other professional I know. The only people who don't think it is important are the lucky few who have so far, by sheer blind luck, not had a card fail on you. One day it will fail on you and sod's law says it will always happen to your most vital files, and then you'll wish you'd had a second card slot to save you from this day-ruining, week-ruining, month-ruining, year-ruining, sometimes even career-ruining mishap.

You also don't get mugged every time you leave the house, but that doesn't mean you should feel safe walking around the city at night waving your wallet and phone in the air. Just because you've been lucky so far and/or you have the blessed feeling that nothing will ever go wrong for you does not magically protect you from it ever happening.

And the 7D3 would not be primarily a stills camera?

No, that's not what I said or even implied. Reading comprehension is your friend; stay in school, kids.

Not a wedding camera yet Canon's own site has sample images from the 6D II of brides in their gowns.......interesting.

Canon also has advertised entry-level SLRs and kit lenses with photos of wild tigers; that doesn't mean those cameras and lenses are going to be doing much wildlife photography, or be any good at it.


You people sure do have a habit of confusing corporate marketing with reality.

 

[Azteck5000]

Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Coming First Half of 2018 [CR2]

:-[ Well I was going to get the 6dMKII but now I am going to wait for the 7D MK III and I am sure by then the new 90d or 5D MK V will be coming out so I might as well hold on for that and awh hell I guess that's why I still have the original 5d

 

[rrcphoto]

Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Coming First Half of 2018 [CR2]

:-[ Well I was going to get the 6dMKII but now I am going to wait for the 7D MK III and I am sure by then the new 90d or 5D MK V will be coming out so I might as well hold on for that and awh hell I guess that's why I still have the original 5d

lol

 

[Woody]

Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Coming First Half of 2018 [CR2]

Canon should improve on their Intelligent Tracking and Recognition algorithm for optical viewfinder shooting. I'll like to see them improve on this.

 

[Woody]

Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Coming First Half of 2018 [CR2]

Moving all sensors to the new sensor tech is likely more cost-effective.
So, these updates are definitely pending.

My feeling is that the 5DS(R) successor(s) will be announced right before Photokina next year.
And the 7DIII will likely be announced sometime before that.

I'm not seeing a 90D announcement anytime soon, though.

Very reasonable.

A high DR (@low ISO), high pixel count camera is highly desired by landscape photographers.

 

[Loswr]

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You've clearly never had a card fail on a professional job, costing you that job; I have.

Well, you probably shouldn't buy a camera with one card slot, then. But then, you also shouldn't think you have the right determine how others should choose and use their gear...yet you seem perfectly ok doing just that.

 

[tron]

Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Coming First Half of 2018 [CR2]

The main issue is whether it will have a low pass filter or not...Nikon has been moving sports and wildlife photographers over as the lack of filter makes it able to render far more detail than the 7D2.

Seriously? You really think that's a big issue?

I'm not enthusiastic about battling a bunch of moire patterns in bird feathers.

I think it's a big issue. And having taken 50,000+ photos on the 5DSR I've yet to find a single image that has been ruined by moire patterns. I'm sure it *could* happen. But the clear advantages in image resolution outweigh the marginal risks to me.


However, I don't think Canon are brave enough to do a 7D III without the filter just yet because people are scared about this, and I can't see them doing two versions. So I'd suspect it will stay.

You must not shoot birds or you may shoot them from far away. I got my 5DsR on time for a 3 week vacation. I shot birds every day. I got better IQ than my 7D2 most of the time but some of my best bee eater and glossy ibis shots had moire.

 

[Loswr]

Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Coming First Half of 2018 [CR2]

And having taken 50,000+ photos on the 5DSR I've yet to find a single image that has been ruined by moire patterns. I'm sure it *could* happen. But the clear advantages in image resolution outweigh the marginal risks to me.

You must not shoot birds...

Or architecture. I've seen moiré in shots with my AA'd 1D X. Those specific shots would be fine with a 5DsR (because of the different pixel pitch), but no doubt other shots would be affected.

 

[Ozarker]

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Mr. Neuro, there are plenty of people out their who paid there house, house contents, motor vehicle or professional insurance for all their life but never were in the need to lodge the claim.

well, house insurance is mandatory for a mortgage. car insurance is the law.

how many idiots drive in the USA without motorcycle helmets?

fun fact .. 1700+ americans died in 2015 because they didn't wear a helmet while riding or driving a motorcycle.

Liability insurance is required by law for cars... to protect the guy you might hit, not yourself. Full coverage is required by lien holders because they actually own the vehicle until it is paid off. They have to ensure their property is protected. It is part of the contract with the financing entity.

It has always puzzled me as to why people consider themselves home owners or car owners when they are still being paid for.

 

[weixing]

Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Coming First Half of 2018 [CR2]

Hi,

The main issue is whether it will have a low pass filter or not...Nikon has been moving sports and wildlife photographers over as the lack of filter makes it able to render far more detail than the 7D2.

Seriously? You really think that's a big issue?

I'm not enthusiastic about battling a bunch of moire patterns in bird feathers.

I think it's a big issue. And having taken 50,000+ photos on the 5DSR I've yet to find a single image that has been ruined by moire patterns. I'm sure it *could* happen. But the clear advantages in image resolution outweigh the marginal risks to me.


However, I don't think Canon are brave enough to do a 7D III without the filter just yet because people are scared about this, and I can't see them doing two versions. So I'd suspect it will stay.

You must not shoot birds or you may shoot them from far away. I got my 5DsR on time for a 3 week vacation. I shot birds every day. I got better IQ than my 7D2 most of the time but some of my best bee eater and glossy ibis shots had moire.

You can use any camera to shoot birds, but I prefer a APS-C over a 5DSR since I can't fill the frame and need to crop a lot if using a FF... also, the large file of 5DSR is quite discouraging.

Anyway, I saw a 7D mark II review indicate that 7D mark II had 10 times lower dark current than 6D and is the best long exposure low light photography camera in Canon line up at 2014... hopefully, the 7D Mark III will be better.

Anyway, have you try the latest DPP, it now add a function for reducing color moiré.

Have a nice day.

 

[SecureGSM]

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Firstly, no, not again. You are not paying attention.
Emotional bias aside, let me better explain myself.
I am not referring to 6D or any camera in particular. I am saying that shooting a once in a life time event on a single card is irresponsible.
And secondly, this is nothing to do with some professionals priority list. It is all to do with being responsible and ensure protection of the footage for your clients sake.
The list of photographer's priority is very different to the on of the groom and bride.
But that's OK to disagree. However, next time you shoot weeding, please do let your client know that if the card will die unexpectedly during or at the end of the wedding ceremony, all the images will be lost and you will have to reshoot the entire day from the second one and see what their reaction will be.
Or else, take responsibility and protect the outcomes.

Mr. Neuro, there are plenty of people out their who paid there house, house contents, motor vehicle or professional insurance for all their life but never were in the need to lodge the claim. I am sure you understand that it is important to stay risk aversed and also be responsible and avoid risks of loosing those photos of once in the lifetime event, never repeat again moments being wedding ceremony, etc for so many happy couples out their. Dual redundant card slot is just that: inexpensive insurance.
Therefore I would hazard to call any wedding photographer that consider taking risk shooting such an important events with non-redundant card slot an irresponsible person. Yes, irresponsible. I am sorry, Mr. Neuro, but back in the analogous days of film photography the redundancy was not so easily achievable as nowadays. Therefore I would argue, with all due respect, that your "back in the film day" example was not quite relevant.

The leading photographers and photo professional associations should take the lead and raise the bar in calling on industry to support compulsory dual redundant card standard in professional settings.

Oh, Lord, here we go again. There are many experienced photographers who do not deny the advantages of dual slot but who say it is way, way down their list of priorities. To say the 6D2 is not a 'wedding camera' because of only one card slot is asinine.