Canon EOS 80D Talk [CR1]

[Canon Rumors]

We’ve received a lot of mentions in regards to a replacement of the EOS 70D, which was announced in July of 2013. None of the specifications lists we’ve received seem all that likely, so we’re writing those ones off.</p>
<p>What we do know is we should expect a big megapixel increase over the 20.2mp of the Canon EOS 70D. We’ve been told by a good source that the camera will likely sit between 28 – 34mp when the final specs are decided upon. It appears that in the last 6 months, Canon has decided megapixels matter again. The same source said we could see an announcement in late 2015.</p>
<p>I think the <a href="http://www.canonrumors.com/patent-canon-ef-s-15-53mm-f2-8-4/">recent patent for an EF-S 15-50 f/2.8-4 IS</a> could potentially bring a faster kit lens option to the next releases of APS-C camera bodies.</p>
<p>A lot of the the other information we’ve received come from unknown sources that mention features like, silent electronic shutter mode, color top LCD that can display information like the histogram, and voice control. All of these seem unlikely, but may make their rounds around the web.</p>
<p>More to come…</p>

 

[ScottyP]

Interesting.

If it has an electronic shutter ability, silence is not my interest in it. Could that also give a flash sync speed faster than the 1/200 to 1/250 we usually see?

 

[MintChocs]

Sounds like the usual Canon way, more pixels, more bells and whistles but nothing new in the sensor department. I do wonder what the price will be as this market segment is very competitive.

 

[Jet20]

Count me out then! The 70D does not need more pixels you won't even see with typical prosumer lenses used with this class of cameras, and more toy features, but better high ISO quality (ISO-1600 is a marked step down from the 60D - whatever the reviews say -, and this only for a 2MP increase!) and a return to better build quality, which was also much better in the 60D. My 8 month old 70D looks worse than my 60D after 4 years of use now!

P.S. If Canon wants to go "fun" with the xxD line, I'll gladly buy a future 7D Mark III IF it includes a swivel screen!

 

[Maximilian]

... Canon has decided megapixels matter again. ...

Yes! They do! : : :

But quality (readout, noise, high/low ISO) above quantity.

Canon, please don't mess that up. First make them better then make them more.

 

[tomscott]

34mp in apsc… that can't be anything but bad :-\

 

[Sunnystate]

At least they recognized that they have to do something, even if is still stubbornly wrong concept!

For the past 8 years they were rewrapping same wafers in different bodies and hopping nobody will notice. Some still chose to not notice

Life is really to short to wait for some company to move on, that's like 1/4th of your active professional life..

 

[douglaurent]

Probably this is part 20 of Canon's 2008 style 1080p DSLRs.

 

[King Eyre]

No one I know wants more megapixels.......my 1Dx now has probably the lowest MP count in the whole Canon range yet it's the most expensive!!!!...and I don't hear any 1 Dx owners complaining!

That's why the 7D2 got pretty mixed reviews...would have been much better with say 16 MP and a better noise performance....when will they learn?

The only people that want more are the people that don't know any better!!!...

George.

 

[privatebydesign]

No one I know wants more megapixels.......my 1Dx now has probably the lowest MP count in the whole Canon range yet it's the most expensive!!!!...and I don't hear any 1 Dx owners complaining!

That's why the 7D2 got pretty mixed reviews...would have been much better with say 16 MP and a better noise performance....when will they learn?

The only people that want more are the people that don't know any better!!!...

George.

I am not a 1DX owner specifically because the MP count is too low. If the 1DX MkII isn't 22+ then I won't be buying that either, and yes, I am in the $6,000+ body market segment and I do know better.

Plenty of people are putting all 50MP from the 5DS/R's to good use, many people who didn't think they would are enjoying the camera immensely. One thing I have noticed over the years, Canon seem to know what we actually want better than we do ourselves, which makes sense when you consider how much they spend finding out, but have you noticed how people are dismissive of a camera spec from Canon when it is announced but then they sell well and people love them?

 

[King Eyre]

No one I know wants more megapixels.......my 1Dx now has probably the lowest MP count in the whole Canon range yet it's the most expensive!!!!...and I don't hear any 1 Dx owners complaining!

That's why the 7D2 got pretty mixed reviews...would have been much better with say 16 MP and a better noise performance....when will they learn?

The only people that want more are the people that don't know any better!!!...

George.

I am not a 1DX owner specifically because the MP count is too low. If the 1DX MkII isn't 22+ then I won't be buying that either, and yes, I am in the $6,000+ body market segment and I do know better.

Plenty of people are putting all 50MP from the 5DS/R's to good use, many people who didn't think they would are enjoying the camera immensely. One thing I have noticed over the years, Canon seem to know what we actually want better than we do ourselves, which makes sense when you consider how much they spend finding out, but have you noticed how people are dismissive of a camera spec from Canon when it is announced but then they sell well and people love them?

OK well if you need 50 MP for your kind of photography, fine, you are probably landscape or studio but not I suspect, wildlife or sports, and for these applications better low noise ISO and FPS are more significant, but form my experience here, e.g. the 7D2, I know personally 4 people who have sold them and have gone to a 1D4 instead...it's a bit horses for courses, but I think the whole MP thing is overblown.

Not sure that the increase from 18 to 22 MP would make an appreciable difference really?

 

[jeffa4444]

Clearly Canon needs to be "inventive" again, camera sales declines will not be thwarted by tiny incremental changes the consumer is used to the bigger changes they see in Smartphones. The Rebel / consumer DSLRs are very different from the enthusiast, prosumer, pro marketplace many people I know with one of these cameras only have the lens they got with the camera and no other accessories so moving people up from Smartphones requires Smartphone thinking in terms of access to pictures, fun added and ease of use. The 70D bridges the divide so needs to be appealing to a broad group of people who are looking for more from their hobby but are more demanding than the SL1 user.

 

[privatebydesign]

No one I know wants more megapixels.......my 1Dx now has probably the lowest MP count in the whole Canon range yet it's the most expensive!!!!...and I don't hear any 1 Dx owners complaining!

That's why the 7D2 got pretty mixed reviews...would have been much better with say 16 MP and a better noise performance....when will they learn?

The only people that want more are the people that don't know any better!!!...

George.

I am not a 1DX owner specifically because the MP count is too low. If the 1DX MkII isn't 22+ then I won't be buying that either, and yes, I am in the $6,000+ body market segment and I do know better.

Plenty of people are putting all 50MP from the 5DS/R's to good use, many people who didn't think they would are enjoying the camera immensely. One thing I have noticed over the years, Canon seem to know what we actually want better than we do ourselves, which makes sense when you consider how much they spend finding out, but have you noticed how people are dismissive of a camera spec from Canon when it is announced but then they sell well and people love them?

OK well if you need 50 MP for your kind of photography, fine, you are probably landscape or studio but not I suspect, wildlife or sports, and for these applications better low noise ISO and FPS are more significant, but form my experience here, e.g. the 7D2, I know personally 4 people who have sold them and have gone to a 1D4 instead...it's a bit horses for courses, but I think the whole MP thing is overblown.

Not sure that the increase from 18 to 22 MP would make an appreciable difference really?

No, I don't need or want 50MP, but I do want and need more than 18, I currently use 21 and I use every single one of them. One of the biggest surprises for the 5DS/R has been the interest wildlife shooters have had for it, the feather and fur detail they are showing has been a big step forward for many so be careful with your typecasting.

The 7D MkII vs 1D MkIV is a wash, particularly if you normalise the output, the 1D MkIV is a bigger sensor that needs bigger lenses for the same framing and the AF is better in the 7D MkII. There is a very good reason the 1D MkIV prices, which held up for a long time, have plummeted since the 7D MkII came out. Just like the 1DS MkIII held its value for a long time, until the 5D MkIII came out, the truth is the 5D MkIII is a more capable all round camera.

 

[bcflood]

I am hoping that the 80D has increased low-light and low-noise functionality, especially when compared with the D7200. With those and a few feature upgrades, I will certainly add one to my collection. I didn't see the 70D as enough of an improvement over other cameras to consider one.

It will be interesting to see how the 80D features stack up against the 6D II to see which has the stronger allure to it.

 

[tomscott]

Its fair to say that an increase in the 1DX MP is obvious and it would be very useful but the sensor is so much bigger it can cope with the ramp up. I'm sure canon can make an image processor powerful enough to create 14fps at say 28mp its the shutter that is the problem when it comes to the fps but then those file sizes and the throughput may make a warm camera.

The 5DS and R have well trumped their expectation and are great cameras in so many more fields than landscape and if that is the scope of your mind then I would tell you to go out and shoot with one, its pretty much the same camera as the 5DMKIII with 1 less fps a slower burst and a little less low light capability, I have my 5DMKIII capped to 6400ISO and from the files I've looked at at 3200iso on the 5DS and R I wouldn't hesitate to use it. With more than twice the resolution its amazing!! Not the slouch and noisy beast it was slated as when it was released.

The 5DMKIII in my opinion is one of the best all round cameras ever made and by adding twice the pixels most certainly makes it useful in a lot of situations as it has the light gathering of a full frame sensor and a similar pixel pitch to the crop cameras which birders have been wanting for many many years. You just have to hone your skills and shoot at the right moment to get the images you desire rather than just machine-gunning like the 7D and 1DX cameras.

But 34mp on a crop sensor when they are already pretty noisy almost doubling the resolution the pixel pitch will be redic… but if Canons new rumoured tech is as good as its rumoured to be we may well be expecting some great innovation from them and the wait will most certainly be worth it and the crown put back where it belongs.

 

[Luds34]

Count me out then! The 70D does not need more pixels you won't even see with typical prosumer lenses used with this class of cameras, and more toy features, but better high ISO quality (ISO-1600 is a marked step down from the 60D - whatever the reviews say -, and this only for a 2MP increase!)

Respectfully disagree. As an owner of a 70D and multiple cameras that had the same old 18MP sensor in it, I'd say one of biggest differences (besides the awesome DPAF) was the high ISO ability. The 70D can shoot ISO 6400 (obviously not ideal) but trying to pull that off on my M or old T2i just fell apart badly. And it's less the noise, it's the color and blue fringing in the corners, etc. Nope, the 20 MP 70D sensor was a long overdue step up from the one in your 60D.

 

[TeT]

Just what I want in my next enthisumer camera; a Talking Histogram...

 

[Luds34]

All this talk about megapixels... keep in mind you have to actually quadruple the megapixels to double the resolution.

With that said, I agree, on crop they probably shouldn't be pushing for too many more pixels, especially if the trade off is more noise.

 

[ajfotofilmagem]

In my opinion, have 34 megapixel on an APS-C sensor only brings problems. We must remember that 70D had only a slight improvement at high ISO, and DUAL PIXEL AF occupies light gathering areas on the sensor.

It seems just a bad rumor.

 

[JonAustin]

I'm all for those folks who want / need higher-resolution sensors, and the manufacturers that give them what they want.

But we don't all want or need that many pixels. For my purposes, the 12mp of my original 5D was (and still is) all I need. I bought a 5DIII for its improved autofocus system and better ergonomics, and tried using it in mRAW mode, but was dissatisfied with the image quality. So I'm using it in full RAW mode, dealing with the larger storage requirements and slower processing times, and typically downsampling the images prior to print or publishing.

But I wish Canon would adopt a dual product line strategy: a high-resolution line (which now appears to be 50mp +) and a lower-resolution line (that stays around 20mp or so), and develops both lines with the latest Digic processors, autofocus tech, etc.