Canon EOS M20 Coming in July? [CR1]

[Canon Rumors]

There is a report that the follow-up to the Canon EOS M10 will be coming on July 20 alongside the EOS 6D Mark II and EOS Rebel SL2. Again, we cannot confirm this and this is the first time we’ve heard about the EOS M20.</p>
<p>The M10 was announced back in October of 2015, so a replacement is highly probable. We’d expect an incremental update to the latest image sensor and DIGIC 7.</p>
<p>More to come once we confirm it.</p>
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[Loswr]

We’d expect an incremental update to the latest image sensor and DIGIC 7.

I'm not so sure. 24MP with DPAF and Digic7 means a rather narrow gap between the M6 and the M20. I was thinking the M10 successor would get the M3 sensor (24MP, but Hybrid CMOS AF vs. DPAF).

 

[scrup]

We’d expect an incremental update to the latest image sensor and DIGIC 7.

I'm not so sure. 24MP with DPAF and Digic7 means a rather narrow gap between the M6 and the M20. I was thinking the M10 successor would get the M3 sensor (24MP, but Hybrid CMOS AF vs. DPAF).

M3 still sold so it probably will be that sensor.

 

[AvTvM]

+1 knowing Canon it will be M3 sensor and electronics and hybridshiz AF... AT BEST ... unless they give that ol' 18 MP sensor yet another spin ...

 

[oncosurgdoc]

I would love to see an eos m10 upgrade. I do ultralight backpacking, and have found the m10 to be the lightest mirrorless camera available to keep my base weight under 18 lb. I dearly hope they maintain the same light weight of the m10 while upgrading the image quality to 24 MP, faster speed and greater functionality of the camera. Any other physical additions will add weight and make it less useful to me. I currently use the m3 but it is relatively heavy in the ultralight world. A light m10 revision will make it highly desirable for folk like me.

 

[rrcphoto]

this is the first time we’ve heard about the EOS M20.

it is?

http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=32766.0

btw, it has Wifi and BLE so it's not a M3 sensor + M3 guts camera.

going to be something new.

 

[cellomaster27]

So this lineup in the M series will be like the rebel equivalent?

 

[LonelyBoy]

+1 knowing Canon it will be M3 sensor and electronics and hybridshiz AF... AT BEST ... unless they give that ol' 18 MP sensor yet another spin ...

Entry-level camera is entry-level. Not sure why this offends you so.

 

[BurningPlatform]

I won't buy it if it does not have a mirror.

 

[rrcphoto]

We’d expect an incremental update to the latest image sensor and DIGIC 7.

I'm not so sure. 24MP with DPAF and Digic7 means a rather narrow gap between the M6 and the M20. I was thinking the M10 successor would get the M3 sensor (24MP, but Hybrid CMOS AF vs. DPAF).

the ergonomics, lack of hotshoe, build quality, probably fps as well because the battery is smaller, shorter battery life,etc would be more than enough to set it apart really.

I should also say, I really don't expect it. however, it would make sense for canon to keep the "guts" the same across all three from a support and service aspect, and also to help drive the price lower on the sensor and DIGIC.

Also since the cost of manufacturing is much lower for an M20 versus a T6, that would offset the costs of a better sensor.

However, it's more likely it gets DIGIC 7 + M3 sensor than a DIGIC 7 + DPAF sensor. however, they are shoving DPAF sensors in everything, so who knows.

also there's no real information that not putting in the latest sensor would save canon money in this case especially over an M3 sensor - of a prior generation of sensor tech, or that aps-c sensors that are DPAF still costs canon more per sensor. the rumor that it was difficult was back in the 70D's days - we're a long way past that time.

 

[LonelyBoy]

Isn't Canon stopping production of the older sensors? If so, this would either be a small run to clear out old stock, or it's getting a new-style, on-chip DAC sensor (even if it lacks DPAF).

 

[rrcphoto]

Isn't Canon stopping production of the older sensors?

how do we know that?

 

[Bernard]

I'm not so sure. 24MP with DPAF and Digic7 means a rather narrow gap between the M6 and the M20.

the ergonomics, lack of hotshoe, build quality, probably fps as well because the battery is smaller, shorter battery life,etc would be more than enough to set it apart really.

Exactly. The M6 and M10 (or M3 and M) are so different on the outside that they don't need to be differentiated by their sensors.

 

[LonelyBoy]

Isn't Canon stopping production of the older sensors?

how do we know that?

I thought I read that here. It makes sense - you don't just build out a whole new chip fab and leave the old one running; you convert them to the new process.

 

[rrcphoto]

I'm not so sure. 24MP with DPAF and Digic7 means a rather narrow gap between the M6 and the M20.

the ergonomics, lack of hotshoe, build quality, probably fps as well because the battery is smaller, shorter battery life,etc would be more than enough to set it apart really.

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Exactly. The M6 and M10 (or M3 and M) are so different on the outside that they don't need to be differentiated by their sensors.

indeed.. I find this interesting.. notice the similarities?

once the G5X Mark II comes out, the two lines are almost pretty much in parallel development.

G9X II versus the G7X Mark II doesn't suffer for performance - it's lens, yes, and ergonomics. but underneath it's the same guts.

and this *is* the powershot group creating the EOS-M lineup.

So we can almost predict each body for the other line, based upon what's already been done. IMO.

 

[Loswr]

Makes sense. We'll see, hopefully soon.

 

[rrcphoto]

Makes sense. We'll see, hopefully soon.

I doubt canon would do my perfect scenario which would be the M6 guts in a smaller less ergonomic camera.

but i could hope so?

 

[okaro]

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G9X II versus the G7X Mark II doesn't suffer for performance - it's lens, yes, and ergonomics. but underneath it's the same guts.

and this *is* the powershot group creating the EOS-M lineup.

So we can almost predict each body for the other line, based upon what's already been done. IMO.

With ILCs they cannot create differences with lenses. They need to create differences to justify price differences. If the M20 is too good it has to be priced high in order not to eat sales from the M6. m

 

[rrcphoto]

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G9X II versus the G7X Mark II doesn't suffer for performance - it's lens, yes, and ergonomics. but underneath it's the same guts.

and this *is* the powershot group creating the EOS-M lineup.

So we can almost predict each body for the other line, based upon what's already been done. IMO.

With ILCs they cannot create differences with lenses. They need to create differences to justify price differences. If the M20 is too good it has to be priced high in order not to eat sales from the M6. m

the G9X lens is done that way for size, not to differentiate the camera body based upon lens specifications. Obvious becaue the G5 and G7 share the same lens.

canon wouldn't care if it "eats sales" otherwise they'd never have done an M6.

so for the same reason, the M20 could have the same featureset, because the difference in features, is control wheels / ergonomics, lack of a hotshoe, tilt up screen only, no grip.

which is more than enough to set it apart.

 

[AvTvM]

I expect the M20 to be positioned exactly like its predecessor M10: smallest possible size, previous Gen sensor+AF [= M3], lack of control points, fairly low price. Everything else would come as a real surprise to me.