Canon Lenses not able to handle 50Mpx Resolution?

Hello everyone,
I don't know if this has been discussed before but rumors are spreading on on the web that the upcoming 50Mpx Sensors are a waste of money since current Gen Canon Lenses are "only" optimized for 35 Megapixel Sensors.
What are your thoughts on this Issue? How would an Image shot with a lens optmized for 35mpx actually differ from a one which is optimized for 50mpx?

Cheers,
Flux
 
flux capacitor said:
Hello everyone,
I don't know if this has been discussed before but rumors are spreading on on the web that the upcoming 50Mpx Sensors are a waste of money since current Gen Canon Lenses are "only" optimized for 35 Megapixel Sensors.
What are your thoughts on this Issue? How would an Image shot with a lens optmized for 35mpx actually differ from a one which is optimized for 50mpx?

Cheers,
Flux


Hi Flux

It has been discussed before

http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=25001.0
 
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flux capacitor said:
...rumors are spreading on on the web that the upcoming 50Mpx Sensors are a waste of money since current Gen Canon Lenses are "only" optimized for 35 Megapixel Sensors.
What are your thoughts on this Issue?

My thoughts are that people don't have a clue about how optical systems work. There also rumors that Dennis Rodman is an alien (or was that in some movie?). ::)
 
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neuroanatomist said:
flux capacitor said:
...rumors are spreading on on the web that the upcoming 50Mpx Sensors are a waste of money since current Gen Canon Lenses are "only" optimized for 35 Megapixel Sensors.
What are your thoughts on this Issue?

My thoughts are that people don't have a clue about how optical systems work. There also rumors that Dennis Rodman is an alien (or was that in some movie?). ::)

Dennis Rodman is an alien.

It would be a good day if sensor technology exceeds the lenses ability to resolve. Said sensors would become common place, the sensor tech race would reach a level plateau and the price of high quality DSLR's would fall and be affordable for the masses.
 
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You are confusing two statements, one of which totally false. ???

Statement 1:
"Sensors 50 megapixel do not better images with current lenses." :o

Statement 2:
"Sensors 50 megapixel make small improvements, use of low quality lenses." ::)

The statement 1 is totally false, but the statement 2 applies to the use in the real world. Note that not all old lenses are of poor quality, and some new lenses have image quality mediocre.

Scenario A:
Imagine someone uses low quality lenses on a 5D Mark ii camera, and will upgrade your camera to the new 5DSR. This person will see small improvements in image quality, and it would be better to spend money on excellent lens for your old camera. :-\ :(

Scenario B:
Imagine someone uses high quality lens on a 5D Mark ii camera, and will upgrade your camera to the new 5DSR. This person will see and sharper images, which are worth the upgrade camera. :D ;)
 
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All Canon EF lenses since the launch of the EF100 f2.8L Macro IS have been able to resolve detail from the 50MP sensor and many before this can in other words sensors lagged the lenses. What it does however show up more readily is lateral & axial chromatic abberations and fall off from vignetting to a degree given the cost of the lenses to purchase to competely correct optically would produce lenses at the prices that cinematography lenses cost such as Zeiss Master Primes, Panavision Primo 70 which would price us all out of the game.
 
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probably worth noting that 50MP seems alot, but actually, in terms of pixel density, it's only about the same as a 22MP APS-C camera. Those have been fine using the L lens.

obviously, APS-C camera only uses the center of the image circle, so edge performance may vary.
 
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Some time ago I took the time to read this article on Limunous Landscape - it helped me find my way thrugh this discussion.

https://luminous-landscape.com/do-sensors-aeoeoutresolveae%C2%9D-lenses/

With some luck (I've never linked before on this site) this link should show the chart of Aperture and SensorSize to find our way through... at least in theory.

https://luminous-landscape.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/TABLA3.jpg
 
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consider the size of a photon compared to the size of a pixel, and you will realize that is impossible for any sensor to ever out resolve ANY lens, even if that lens is a coke bottle. no, you can't get a clear image through a coke bottle, no matter what sensor is behind it, but the better the sensor, the smoother and more detailed the blurry, distorted image will be.
 
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Still with this? Yikes. Glass is optical. There's no hard ceiling in relation to resolving up to some mythical pixel count. A higher resolution sensor will simply allow more detail passed through the glass to be captured, and the comparable results will be relative to what lenses you use. An 18-55 kit lens (pretending it would fill a FF image circle for a moment here) will yield a better result with 50MP capturing it vs 18MP. The same can be said, relatively speaking, of the 24-70 f2.8 L II. Obviously the L will blow the $100 kit lens out the water by light years, BUT both lenses would see improved resolve thanks to a denser sensor with better pixels. Will every lens yield the full 50MP? No. No lens can perfectly resolve all light because as a matter of physics, there is some relative degree of loss as light passes through the elements of glass. However, we've come to a point where great lenses now have been engineered so darn well that the loss is almost unnoticeable to the naked eye, particularly when compared to lens technology of just a few decades ago. As an example, just pull up some DxO scores on Nikon and Sony lenses and look at how close/far the resolve to 36MP on a D810 or A7R. None of them get to 36. There are few who get you into the 30s, but they are $5000 Zeiss primes. Some of Canon's sharpest glass is currently resolving near 20MP on a 5DIII, whose sensor is only 22MP. That's a 90% resolve. That's about as damn good as it gets. So take that same 90% figure and apply it to a 50MP sensor, and I bet we see 40-45MP scores from some L glass on a 5DSR (think 135L 24-70 L II, 70-200 L II, 300 L, etc....)
 
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flux capacitor said:
Hello everyone,
I don't know if this has been discussed before but rumors are spreading on on the web that the upcoming 50Mpx Sensors are a waste of money since current Gen Canon Lenses are "only" optimized for 35 Megapixel Sensors.
What are your thoughts on this Issue? How would an Image shot with a lens optmized for 35mpx actually differ from a one which is optimized for 50mpx?

Cheers,
Flux

In my opinion, that is true of some L-lenses, but only when one considers the overall image sharpness, right into the corners. But the "sweet spot" image circle of most L-lenses should yield the resolution of a 5oMp sensor when set at optimal F-stops. The forthcoming Canon 5oMp cameras are 36Mp equivalent, resolution wise, anyway.
 
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tiredofstitching said:
flux capacitor said:
Hello everyone,
I don't know if this has been discussed before but rumors are spreading on on the web that the upcoming 50Mpx Sensors are a waste of money since current Gen Canon Lenses are "only" optimized for 35 Megapixel Sensors.
What are your thoughts on this Issue? How would an Image shot with a lens optmized for 35mpx actually differ from a one which is optimized for 50mpx?

Cheers,
Flux

In my opinion, that is true of some L-lenses, but only when one considers the overall image sharpness, right into the corners. But the "sweet spot" image circle of most L-lenses should yield the resolution of a 5oMp sensor when set at optimal F-stops. The forthcoming Canon 5oMp cameras are 36Mp equivalent, resolution wise, anyway.
? ???
 
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lintoni said:
tiredofstitching said:
flux capacitor said:
Hello everyone,
I don't know if this has been discussed before but rumors are spreading on on the web that the upcoming 50Mpx Sensors are a waste of money since current Gen Canon Lenses are "only" optimized for 35 Megapixel Sensors.
What are your thoughts on this Issue? How would an Image shot with a lens optmized for 35mpx actually differ from a one which is optimized for 50mpx?

Cheers,
Flux

In my opinion, that is true of some L-lenses, but only when one considers the overall image sharpness, right into the corners. But the "sweet spot" image circle of most L-lenses should yield the resolution of a 5oMp sensor when set at optimal F-stops. The forthcoming Canon 5oMp cameras are 36Mp equivalent, resolution wise, anyway.
? ???


??? Eh +1
 
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Yes, image size set apart, they don't contain more information than what the Sony 36Mp CMOS produces. … That's for the pre-production 5DsR samples that we have seen, and a miracle is always a possibility, if perhaps Canon deliberately clipped the resolution of those samples to hide the potential of the new camera for some obscure marketing reason. But that would be a second miracle. ;D
 
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tiredofstitching said:

Yes, image size set apart, they don't contain more information than what the Sony 36Mp CMOS produces. … That's for the pre-production 5DsR samples that we have seen, and a miracle is always a possibility, if perhaps Canon deliberately clipped the resolution of those samples to hide the potential of the new camera for some obscure marketing reason. But that would be a second miracle. ;D

??? ??? ???

Then again, the 36 MP D810 with Nikon's 24-70 delivers the resolution of the 22 MP 5D3 with Canon's 24-70, so perhaps Nikon deliberately clipped the resolution of their system, too. ::)
 
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