Canon marketing may be working overtime soon

[APBPhoto]

Just think out loud.....
They have to be watching the Nikon US legal department as they try to figure out a way to rise the prices in the US. They probably won't be able to affect per-orders prices only halt delivery at the end of the month and then reprice.

If they do so, Canon will mostly like figure out a way to make the prices match without reduce the actual camera price say a $200 credit toward any L lens costing $1500 or more.

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

???

 

[SomeGuyInNewJersey]

Just think out loud.....
They have to be watching the Nikon US legal department as they try to figure out a way to rise the prices in the US. They probably won't be able to affect per-orders prices only halt delivery at the end of the month and then reprice.

If they do so, Canon will mostly like figure out a way to make the prices match without reduce the actual camera price say a $200 credit toward any L lens costing $1500 or more.

Given all the thousands of dollars in lenses you use to take advantage of your pro level dslr a few hundred bucks between the canon and nikon body prices shouldn't really be factoring into a choice between a 5d3 and a d800... IMHO anyways

 

[APBPhoto]

It should not make a difference, but it may help stop some out the noise.
If the price is basically the same then the megapixel count may be becomes less of a issue with upgraders.

 

[XanuFoto]

BUt why are we comparing the MKIII to the D800? The D800 is a damn good studio camera and MKIII is a damn good allround camera. Both companies have decided to target two different markets and the pricing is reflected in the markets.

 

[TexPhoto]

???

Agreed.

 

[Stephen Melvin]

Are you talking about how Nikon Europe has raised the price of the D800?

 

[briansquibb]

Just realised that Nikon batteries for the D800 are five times the cost of the third party batteries for the 5DIII.

Well that is a deal breaker as it will mean a couple hundred extra bucks I will have to find

 

[Bennymiata]

I think XanuFoto may have hit the nail on the head.

The 5D2 was considered a good camera for studio and landscape use, where the ancient autofocus and slow FPS were less important, but they have now changed their tack a little by giving us solid improvements in those areas, and also making the low light capabilities so much better.

Nikon have now gone from a relatively low-res sensor to one bursting with megapickles, but the FPS is still slow, and from the comparisons that I've seen, it's not as good in low light as the 5D3.
So, they are different horses for different courses.

Personally, I think Canon did itself a diss-service by not giving the 5D3 a new name and they should have tried to distance themselves from the 5D2, as the 5D3 is, to me at any rate, more a cut-down 1Dx.
If they would have called it a 2D for example, or a 4D (I wouldn't call a camera a 3D unless it was a real 3D camera) a lot of the crap that is floating out there would have hit the road by now and be forgotten.

Personally, I'm definitely going to get one, but I'll wait a couple of months for all the dust to be settled when I'll be able to drive a hard bargain on one, because the retailers will have them sititng on the shelves and al the dust would have clreaed away.
They would have probably done one or 2 firmware upgrades by then too.

I think Canon have been smart. Instead of giving us a camera that is really only suitable for one or 2 genres, they've given us a really usefull and competant all-round camera that can still be used in the studio, or for landscapes, but can still cut the mustard with action and low-light shooting too.
Where the 5D2 was more for serious landscapers and studio work, the 5D3 is great for advanced amateurs like me who want a camera that can do everything.
Because of its new found speed and low light abilities, I reckon the wedding photographers will also be standing in line to get them too.

 

[Astro]

Just think out loud.....
They have to be watching the Nikon US legal department as they try to figure out a way to rise the prices in the US. They probably won't be able to affect per-orders prices only halt delivery at the end of the month and then reprice.

If they do so, Canon will mostly like figure out a way to make the prices match without reduce the actual camera price say a $200 credit toward any L lens costing $1500 or more.

maybe my bad english.. i don´t get what you want to say...

 

[APBPhoto]

I have no doubt that both the Canon and the Nikon cameras will both be useful tools, I will be ordering a 5DIII next month.
The problem here may be one of perception and not reality.
If two people buy hybrid cars and one of the gets it for $200 less, the perception is one of them got a better deal.
The fact that person who got it for $200 less only does highway driving and will never get the full benefit of a hybrid may not change that perception for some.

 

[Abraxx]

I think XanuFoto may have hit the nail on the head.

The 5D2 was considered a good camera for studio and landscape use, where the ancient autofocus and slow FPS were less important, but they have now changed their tack a little by giving us solid improvements in those areas, and also making the low light capabilities so much better.

Nikon have now gone from a relatively low-res sensor to one bursting with megapickles, but the FPS is still slow, and from the comparisons that I've seen, it's not as good in low light as the 5D3.
So, they are different horses for different courses.

Personally, I think Canon did itself a diss-service by not giving the 5D3 a new name and they should have tried to distance themselves from the 5D2, as the 5D3 is, to me at any rate, more a cut-down 1Dx.
If they would have called it a 2D for example, or a 4D (I wouldn't call a camera a 3D unless it was a real 3D camera) a lot of the crap that is floating out there would have hit the road by now and be forgotten.

Personally, I'm definitely going to get one, but I'll wait a couple of months for all the dust to be settled when I'll be able to drive a hard bargain on one, because the retailers will have them sititng on the shelves and al the dust would have clreaed away.
They would have probably done one or 2 firmware upgrades by then too.

I think Canon have been smart. Instead of giving us a camera that is really only suitable for one or 2 genres, they've given us a really usefull and competant all-round camera that can still be used in the studio, or for landscapes, but can still cut the mustard with action and low-light shooting too.
Where the 5D2 was more for serious landscapers and studio work, the 5D3 is great for advanced amateurs like me who want a camera that can do everything.
Because of its new found speed and low light abilities, I reckon the wedding photographers will also be standing in line to get them too.

Hi

I agree with your observation. The camera is good, a nice "Allrounder". Which shouldn't be compared with the D800, but thats whats happening right now, due to the poor Marketing.
The Canon Marketing failed big time in this case.
Mistakes done so far:
The time of release to the market (the cam looks like it was designed for an earlier release like 8-12 months go or so),
the product name - they should have called her 6D and announce a high MP Cam too,
the decision to milk the 5D MarkII cow even longer
and the pricing itself of course should have been far lower, at least for the EMEA market (EUR & GBP);(they gonna get it back via the lenses anyway).
They lost the momentum, which is crucial when releasing a long awaited product.

Anyhow, I'm very curious how Canon will react to the situation. With price decreases, discounts, vouchers, tons of advertising and bought reviews, announce a high MP Cam in advance, or release a 5dMark3v2 in 18months... we'll see?
The worst thing they could do is just sit and wait, like they have done often in the past, when you loose the momentum you need to action.
I'm also going to wait until the dust settled and hope for a nice price around christmas... ;D

my 2 cents :-X

PS and still, the D800 would suit me better I fear, if there wouldn't be this awful Nikon grip and GUI, the Canon just feels perfect in my hands...
PS2 lets see what happens when they ship the 1D X ....

 

[Gothmoth]

I agree with your observation. The camera is good, a nice "Allrounder". Which shouldn't be compared with the D800, but thats whats happening right now, due to the poor Marketing.
The Canon Marketing failed big time in this case. The time of release to the market, the product name - they should have called her 6D, the decision to milk the 5D MarkII cow even longer and the pricing itself of course should have been far lower, at least for the EMEA market (EUR & GBP);(they gonna get it back via the lenses anyway).
They lost the momentum, which is crucial when releasing a long awaited product.

may i ask where you get your infos from?

the 5D MK3 sells very very well.
at least when you judge after the pre-orders.
i don´t have the exact numbers (im at home already) but the preorders are better as for the 5D MK2 here.
and better as for similiar placed nikon camers from the past.
given the price that is something that has really suprised me.

now what time will bring.. you and i sure don´t know.
i will have a look at the numbers at the end of the year.

but "lost the momentum" what do you mean with that?

 

[Abraxx]

Regarding momentum:
When you release a long awaited product to the market, expectations are always high, Canon Marketing failed to make use of it and or counter it (depending on the product).
Instead they were overrun by Nikon, which got quicker and more attention.
And more important more positive attention.

 

[Gothmoth]

well internet forums are only a small part of the "reality".
they are full of trolls, fanboys and wannabes.

a great deal of complains you see about the 5D MK3 comes from people who would/could not afford it anyway (same is of course true for the D800).

it´s like apple vs. microsoft.
if you believe the trolls neither of these companys make products that are good enough to make some money.

obviously these trolls are wrong.


what counts for canon and nikon are fiscal results.

 

[Abraxx]

well internet forums are only a small part of the "reality".
they are full of trolls, fanboys and wannabes.

a great deal of complains you see about the 5D MK3 comes from people who would/could not afford it anyway.

it´s like apple vs. microsoft.
if you believe the trolls neither of these companys are good enough to make some money.

Yes I agree on that point.
Well, we'll see what happens.
I just hope this comparison between 5DMark3 and D800 stops, because I would consider them to different. AllRounder against Landscaping/Studio.

I want a Canon FF AllRounder... ;D

So I stop here now too :-X

 

[razbo]

The prices in the uk have risen on both nikon models D4 and D800

http://www.techradar.com/news/photography-video-capture/cameras/nikon-d4-and-d800-prices-rise-in-uk-1073556

 

[APBPhoto]

The truth is the are only four group of people who care about what brand of camera we are using; other photographers, our dealers, our insurance agents and the security guards who keep saying " you can't bring that thing in here"

To everyone else they are all just big black heavy cameras that cost 100 times more than their cell phones.

 

[meli]

well internet forums are only a small part of the "reality".
they are full of trolls, fanboys and wannabes.

a great deal of complains you see about the 5D MK3 comes from people who would/could not afford it anyway (same is of course true for the D800).

it´s like apple vs. microsoft.
if you believe the trolls neither of these companys make products that are good enough to make some money.

obviously these trolls are wrong.


what counts for canon and nikon are fiscal results.

My personal view is that opinion should be judged by its merits not by the person's expressing it. I dont care if you have a couple of phase1s lying around or a 350d, if your opinion is sound then thats all i need.

what counts for canon and nikon are fiscal results

Yes and this fuzz about the new releases will have repercussions to the fiscal results. If you see 5dmk3 dropping 300-500$ in less than a semester what would you think? That its Canon's good soul or that apparently many people stayed away (and a good percentage of them cause of the racket in forums like this)?

 

[Gothmoth]

My personal view is that opinion should be judged by its merits not by the person's expressing it. I dont care if you have a couple of phase1s lying around or a 350d, if your opinion is sound then thats all i need.

let´s say i have 10 people complaing about the 5D MK3 and 8 of them could not afford it anyway.
im only interested (as reseller) in the 2 people not the 8.

what i want to say is... a lot of it is just NOISE.
noise that has no influence on the real world business.

people like to complain. that´s how it is.
just look at windows... you could think microsoft will not sell one copy of it when you read some websites.
and then there is linux.. so much better if you believe the very vocal linux fans.., and it´s free....but still has only 2% market share.

Yes and this fuzz about the new releases will have repercussions to the fiscal results. If you see 5dmk3 dropping 300-500$ in less than a semester what would you think? That its Canon's good soul or that apparently many people stayed away (and a good percentage of them cause of the racket in forums like this)?

well what about waiting and not jumping to a conclusion?

until now i did not have to drop the price... i have too deliver more 5D MK3 or D800 then i have at the moment....

you have your "internet noise"... i have my sale numbers.. guess in what i will be interested.