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Two slow 'kit' lenses (let's hope that thet are at least collapsible)? Does anyone else get the impression that Canon is hoping to target their first release at compact camera upgraders rather than enthusiasts? Don't expect a body with an EVF and lots of physical controls, this one is likely to be for Powershot upgraders.
This is fine, but if they want the enthusiast market, they need to launch a second higher spec body and they'll need at least two (native mount) prime lenses to go with it (preferably three). How about doing a Fuji three lens prime lineup with (based upon G1X size sensor):
13mm f/2
27mm f/1.4
48mm f/2.4
That would be tempting -for starters!
This is fine, but if they want the enthusiast market, they need to launch a second higher spec body and they'll need at least two (native mount) prime lenses to go with it (preferably three). How about doing a Fuji three lens prime lineup with (based upon G1X size sensor):
13mm f/2
27mm f/1.4
48mm f/2.4
That would be tempting -for starters!
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This just smells like something for the mass consumer electronics market.
In that market Canon isn't late to the party. At my local Best Buy (in between Calumet, Adorama & B&H), there are no micro-4/3 cameras and barely even a Sony Nex presence. The Nikon-1 system has it's own freestanding display (just a big picture of Ashton Kutcher and a few pink plastic dummy cameras between the DLSRs & the point-and-shoots...go figure!
If Canon makes a reasonably affordable system camera that is smaller and cheaper that a DSLR, I'm sure they will have a hit. But it will need to have a "Send to Facebook" button!
I'll pass.
In that market Canon isn't late to the party. At my local Best Buy (in between Calumet, Adorama & B&H), there are no micro-4/3 cameras and barely even a Sony Nex presence. The Nikon-1 system has it's own freestanding display (just a big picture of Ashton Kutcher and a few pink plastic dummy cameras between the DLSRs & the point-and-shoots...go figure!
If Canon makes a reasonably affordable system camera that is smaller and cheaper that a DSLR, I'm sure they will have a hit. But it will need to have a "Send to Facebook" button!
I'll pass.
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pdirestajr said:
You're almost certainly right, and that's why I'm getting a kick out of all the people here whining in anticipation of why it's not going to be as good as a 5DIII. That's not the point of the camera, and they're not the intended audience.
Personally, I don't see that the intended market is all that big, but Canon has better marketing research tools at their disposal than I do.
But you can pretty much guarantee that it's going to slot between the top-of-the-line point-and-shoots and the entry-level Rebels. It may well cannibalize both. But it's never going to compete with the xxD and above SLRs; nor will it compete with the ELPH or A-series PowerShots.
The problem that Canon will face is that most of the Rebel buyers are (intentionally or otherwise) buying into the EF system, and a lot of the PowerShot users don't want the hassle of switching lenses....
Cheers,
b&
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pdirestajr said:
The lack of Sony cameras at Camera Stores is the result of all the Sony Style stores. No-one wants to compete with a factory store
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TrumpetPower! said:
Without a crystal ball, or insider information, you've probably guessed about as close as is possible.
I also expect a G1X sensor, maybe based more on the tech of the 650D with integrated PDAF.
What I do see as an interesting twist is the suggestion that Canon will be launching small EF primes, with the intention of using them with an adapter on the mirrorless body. That way, Canon gets mirrorless buyers to be more likely to invest in the EF system, creating an upgrade path to an EOS body - much the same way that if I were to move exclusively to full frame, I would lose the use of one lens, since I have only ever bought one EF-S lens. I would almost say it would make sense for Canon to entirely drop the EOS 1x00D series, and replace it with a mirrorless body.
My issue is that I would like the ability to change lenses on my G series. I would like a camera that produces reasonable image quality, but doesn't need to be able to see in the dark, and that is small enough to pack into a notebook bag. I couldn't care for fast AF tracking. What is important for me is a socket for a cable release and a hotshoe for occasional flash use with my existing Speedlites or wireless triggers.
The G1X already fixes for me the issue of sensor size, but it doesn't fix the issue of not having a wide enough aperture to take portraits, or to use for street photography. Slightly better shutter lag would be a bonus.
A mirrorless system with a general purpose zoom and a couple of primes would work for me as a camera that I can carry in my bag every day, and even take along when cycling. - I would like something better than a G series that is easy to accommodate in a backpack when bushwalking or cycling, and light enough to mount on a gorillapod.
For my tastes, the G1X sensor format will give good-enough IQ in a package that is just small enough. It is going to be about compromise.
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If it were the G1X 14MP sensor and the EF adaptor was good and gave full Aperture control and AF of the lens
It would be worth having in the bag as a small light highly effective teleconverter whack it on a 300f4L IS and
you have a 555mm f4 equivalent with IS thats light and highly portable / maneuverable
if its not stupidly priced it could be a winner
It would be worth having in the bag as a small light highly effective teleconverter whack it on a 300f4L IS and
you have a 555mm f4 equivalent with IS thats light and highly portable / maneuverable
if its not stupidly priced it could be a winner
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OK, as much as I was looking forward to this camera, I have to pass because of the "lens thing".
WHY, WHY, WHY are they changing the mount? It doesn't matter, they are doing it, and I am NOT biting!
What a crying shame... 60D here I come!
WHY, WHY, WHY are they changing the mount? It doesn't matter, they are doing it, and I am NOT biting!
What a crying shame... 60D here I come!
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Putting aside that I think this whole mirrorless thing is silly, why would anyone want to pair them with a bunch of closely-spaced slow primes?
Want a reasonable mirrorless interchangeable lens body? Build it the size of the S100 and make sure the kit zoom and at least two primes of different focal lengths - each faster than f/2.8 - fit entirely inside the body when not in use. The 24/2.8, 28/2.8 and 40/2.8 are totally unsuitable to that purpose because they are EF-mount, and thus have too large a backfocus distance to make that happen.
Such a thing would sell to compact-camera upgraders if it were cheap enough (under $600 with kit lens).
Want a reasonable mirrorless interchangeable lens body? Build it the size of the S100 and make sure the kit zoom and at least two primes of different focal lengths - each faster than f/2.8 - fit entirely inside the body when not in use. The 24/2.8, 28/2.8 and 40/2.8 are totally unsuitable to that purpose because they are EF-mount, and thus have too large a backfocus distance to make that happen.
Such a thing would sell to compact-camera upgraders if it were cheap enough (under $600 with kit lens).
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Lee Jay said:
Then you have really tiny image sensors like S100.
Then what's the point of interchangeable lenses if the camera becomes sensor limited instead ? And you can't get image quality and contrast approaching/equaling DSLR levels ?
Might as well just still with a compact then ?
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Well, if you're asking why Canon should do an hybrid, then that's because you never tried one or just simply don't need it.
I own a 1DII and a few kg of Canon lenses (from 16mm to 400mm)... Most are L lenses.
But I bought a NEX7 and, man, that's very funny to use.
First : I have it with me everywhere, everyday.
Second : I can use some old jewels I own like the FD L lenses and some Voigtlander... I don't own Leica lenses though. Manual focus with those lenses is a breathe ! Faster than with my F1N !
Third : The image quality is on a par (to say the least) with the 1DII, including in low light !
Fourth : It is silent and so "unobstrusive" you can get pictures you wouldn't get with an SLR.
The EVF is a marvelous thing, after all. Now I want to zoom for focus while looking in the viewfinder of the 1DII... Unfortunately, it doesn't work
OK, so why a Canon ? Because my best "APS-C standard" zoom is the Canon EF 16-35L (realy good on APS-C) and I miss the aperture setting (!), the focus... or just the EXIF informations ! (No to say IS on some lenses)
I guess with a Canon, this should work !
IF Canon can build a small camera with EVF and interchangeable lenses -including a full support of EF(-S)- and a faster AF, with at least an APS-C sensor, this would be a winner, in my opinion ! Isn't Canon market leader for DSLRs ?
I just want to make sure they include "focus peaking", digital focus aid zoom and so on... and, if possible, a short flange-to-sensor distance to allow to use as much lenses as possible !
Raoul
I own a 1DII and a few kg of Canon lenses (from 16mm to 400mm)... Most are L lenses.
But I bought a NEX7 and, man, that's very funny to use.
First : I have it with me everywhere, everyday.
Second : I can use some old jewels I own like the FD L lenses and some Voigtlander... I don't own Leica lenses though. Manual focus with those lenses is a breathe ! Faster than with my F1N !
Third : The image quality is on a par (to say the least) with the 1DII, including in low light !
Fourth : It is silent and so "unobstrusive" you can get pictures you wouldn't get with an SLR.
The EVF is a marvelous thing, after all. Now I want to zoom for focus while looking in the viewfinder of the 1DII... Unfortunately, it doesn't work
OK, so why a Canon ? Because my best "APS-C standard" zoom is the Canon EF 16-35L (realy good on APS-C) and I miss the aperture setting (!), the focus... or just the EXIF informations ! (No to say IS on some lenses)
I guess with a Canon, this should work !
IF Canon can build a small camera with EVF and interchangeable lenses -including a full support of EF(-S)- and a faster AF, with at least an APS-C sensor, this would be a winner, in my opinion ! Isn't Canon market leader for DSLRs ?
I just want to make sure they include "focus peaking", digital focus aid zoom and so on... and, if possible, a short flange-to-sensor distance to allow to use as much lenses as possible !
Raoul
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bycostello said:
Then, I am afraid you are setting yourself up for disappointment. I do not see any camera manufacturer bringing out an AF system which is built into the imaging sensor, which provides DSLR-class AF.
I think it is important to remember what the value proposition of a mirrorless camera is, namely size and price (okay, in some cases only size as you do get cheaper DSLRs than some mirrorless cameras).
In order for the value proposition of a mirrorless camera to work for you, it has to be small for the "value" of the "size benefit" to be enough for you to forego the quality of a DSLR. It's that simple. Where carrying a DSLR is not practical or feasible, then a mirrorless system is worthwhile.
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gmrza said:
The most important benefit of a mirrorless camera is that it doesn't have a mirror! and because digital mirrorless need the sensor exposed for EVF normally they only have a second curtain shutter. Thus massively less vibrations, and massively quieter. On top of that you don't need such an enormous gap between the rear of the lens and the film plane.
Of course by losing the mirror you lose the phase detect autofocus, but you can't have everything! Swings & Roundabouts it could be a very nice camera indeed if it's allowed to be, and that will depend very much on the quality of the lenses
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lopicma said:
Whats the difference if lenses can be easily adapted? you could go all EF if you desired.
Personally I think that before a mopre prenium mirrorless Canon should actually look at a more compact high end DSLR ala Pentax.
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