Canon needs to respond with SOMETHING

[Kcray85]

http://store.sony.com/sony-alpha-77-m2-dslr-zid27-ILCA77M2/cat-27-catid-All-Alpha-77-Cameras

Sony just release what appears to be an awesome camera, especially for the price. I am committed to Canon myself, but I think some people are starting to think about switching because these others like Sony are upping the quality of their products.

Canon doesn't have anything close to the 24mp, 79 AF points and 12 FPS...especially under $1500.

Curious to see what everyone else's thoughts are on this new Sony and where you think Canon falls within the competition.

 

[Dylan777]

http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=20740.msg392064;topicseen#new

 

[Loswr]

Re: Canon needs to respond with SOMETHING

Why?

Case in point…

I am committed to Canon myself...

Sony dSLRs aren't even close to competitive with Canon (or Nikon) from a market share standpoint, and this new Sony camera isn't going to change that.

 

[tolusina]

Looks to have a crooked sensor. New feature? New way to market consumer devices?

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[SecundumArtemRx]

Looks to have the features I want. For that price point, who cares about waiting another five years for a crippled 7dmk2.

 

[Solar B]

This is a game of leapfrog. My hope is that Canon's next generation will be way ahead of the rest.

Right Canon?

Right?

 

[ksagomonyants]

From what I've read on SAR so far, many current Sony shooters are not very excited about this release. I think within the next few months we'll start hearing first CR1 rumors about new Canon 5d iv, and I'm sure Canon has a lot of nice surprises for us

 

[Woody]

Looks like Sony hopes their rebooting of the SLT line can grab them some market shares... but I seriously doubt it's going to change anything...

 

[unfocused]

Canon doesn't have anything close to the 24mp, 79 AF points and 12 FPS...especially under $1500.

Canon 70D street price $999. Canon 6D Refurbished $1,291. (Source: Canon Price Watch)

Not the exact same specs, but certainly close, with better high ISO performance, no translucent mirror to reduce the light entering the sensor, better manufacturer and better lens selection.

 

[grey4]

Sony DSLR cameras use electronic viewfinders.

 

[mb66energy]

http://store.sony.com/sony-alpha-77-m2-dslr-zid27-ILCA77M2/cat-27-catid-All-Alpha-77-Cameras
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Curious to see what everyone else's thoughts are on this new Sony and where you think Canon falls within the competition.

(1) Roughly 500 shots per battery charge (CIPA) would be a main caveat for me - if I pay 1000 € or above I think sth. like 1000 is the right amount of shots per battery charge.

(2) Needing an EVF to precheck a possible photo is a further caveat for me - I really like to check things powerless, directly by using an SLR and the focus ring.

Bringing new products to the market every month might show some progress. On the other hand REAL progress in e.g. dynamic range, sensor resolution, etc. is cancelled by some "degression" in the hardware quality of the controls. Comparing my 40D with a 70D will shurely show better IQ but the feel of control over the camera is much better with the 40D. Bad control over camera parameters costs time and photos.

So I am willing to wait for e.g. a 7Dii with better IQ, better control switches, better AF system. Slow net progress has saved a lot of bucks ...

 

[3kramd5]

Uh, about those "World’s most AF points1"

The footnote reads: "1. Among interchangeable-lens digital cameras equipped with a dedicated phase-detection AF sensor as of May 1, 2014."

So it has more AF points than any dedicated SIR AF system.

Its own detailed specifications read: "Focus Points : 19 points (11 points cross type)"

So it has a 19-point dedicated phase detection AF sensor. The others, I presume, are similar to the 70D (sensor plane AF). As such, I find that highlight misleading on its face.

 

[Zv]

http://store.sony.com/sony-alpha-77-m2-dslr-zid27-ILCA77M2/cat-27-catid-All-Alpha-77-Cameras

Sony just release what appears to be an awesome camera, especially for the price. I am committed to Canon myself, but I think some people are starting to think about switching because these others like Sony are upping the quality of their products.

Canon doesn't have anything close to the 24mp, 79 AF points and 12 FPS...especially under $1500.

Curious to see what everyone else's thoughts are on this new Sony and where you think Canon falls within the competition.

Maybe you should switch. Sony sure could use your help by the looks of things ...

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-27234511

 

[ahsanford]

If your brand needs to *respond*, please ask yourself why. Think long and hard about your answer.

Sony has -- constantly -- been trying to take Canon and Nikon business with:

[list type=decimal]
[*]A faster product pipeline.
[*]A steadier stream of releases over time (they rarely go more than X months/quarters before announcing something new, whereas Canon and Nikon can have crickets chirping while we wait for new products (cough) a new 50 (cough cough) the 7D2, etc.)
[*]A positive take on innovation -- I won't call it Apple-like, but they are the 'brave' enough to risk being the first to market with enthusiast-desired offerings like autofocusing FF mirrorless fixed lens camera, autofocusing FF mirrorless with interchangeable lenses, etc.
[*]Great sensors and (for the price point) awesome fps rates.
[/list]

Yet, beyond the specs and pipeline speed, their products seem to be off-target. We see light leak issues, AF issues, ergonomic issues, and the bodies are saddled with terrible menu drilling-down interfaces. The tech is there but the details and needs of a photographer are not.

As a result, Sony is amazing at making a buzz with a big first-ever announcement and riling up the Canon and Nikon camps to 'respond', but the products don't live up to the hype. Ask yourself this -- how many Sony products are crushing it at overall-use reviews? We all know about their sensors and high burst rates, but how many people are raving about their cameras in an overall usage sense? Not that many.

So until Sony starts lovingly dialing-in their designs, I'll think of them as a 2nd-tier designer and not take them seriously. They'd do well do follow the Fuji X and Sigma Art examples of buzz followed by copiously well-reviewed substance. Then we can start talking about Canon needing to 'respond'.

- A

 

[AlanF]

Sony is making a bigger loss than expected, announced today, and it is rated at junk bond status.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-27234511

 

[AcutancePhotography]

All these manufacturers are just falling into Canon's trap. Canon, by letting all the other manufacturers innovate first, will lure them into a sense of security and profit. Just want Canon wants them to do. ;D

Then, like a puma, Canon will pounce!

Canon is breaking the old paradigm that innovation needs to be done faster than its competitors. A new business plan. ;D

 

[dak723]

Perhaps us old-timers think differently, but what I want in a camera is reliability and the ability to take good pictures easily. I'm amazed at the number of folks that need a new camera every couple years. I would rather have a camera that lasts for as long as possible - cameras are expensive!

I had the original digital rebel since it was introduced. I only bought a new Canon 6D when the AF started going wacky. It still took pictures that were plenty good enough for outdoor use. I don't need more megapixels, higher ISO, more than 1 AF point, or many of the newfangled bells and whistles. If you like bells and whistles, check out the Sony. If you want a camera that lasts 10 years, has an excellent lens lineup, and takes excellent photos than you can stick with old-reliable Canon.

 

[mackguyver]

Specmanship works, but not as well these days with highly educated consumers. Yes, 79 points, and yes 12fps, but 15 cross points, and 60 JPEG burst, but I don't even see the specs for RAW burst.

Sony has a nice camera on their hands, no doubt, but without a deep offering of pro lenses and a professional support program like CPS, it's still a tough sell to pros and semi-pros.

The other thing they are doing that others have pointed out is the shotgun approach. A new system, new SLR, new mirrorless, seemingly every month or two. Which one will they stand behind? Will they support firmware upgrades of older gear? Having gone through their Blu-ray players and some other stuff, I can say that their quality isn't what it used to be and once you buy it (unless it's a PlayStation) they rarely support any updates. Panasonic on the other hand had supported cameras and other gear years and years past their release.

New and cool is great and will sell to some people, but solid, reliable, and supported is why Canon and others continue to dominate. If you look at most successful companies, you'll see that innovators rarely succeed. The iPod was not a new device, MP3 players had been around for year, same with the iPad and tablets.

For me, Canon innovates where it counts (dual pixel, 200-400 1.4x) and as long as it produces excellent photos day after day, I'm not worried about having the latest, greatest thing. When I was young, yes, but I'm older and wiser now

 

[ahsanford]

Sony is making a bigger loss than expected, announced today, and it is rated at junk bond status.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-27234511

One might imagine -- if Sony's imaging systems are to be sold-off or downsized -- that Canon or Nikon might make a formal play to buy-out their sensor business.

Imagine a 5D4 with the next-gen of the D800 sensor... :

- A

 

[jrista]

Sony is making a bigger loss than expected, announced today, and it is rated at junk bond status.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-27234511

This is no surprise. Sony has been taking a shotgun approach to their markets for a while now. They crank out as many products as they can think of in as many submarkets as they can, and see what sticks. That costs an immense amount of R&D, with no guarantee of payoff.