Canon Officially Announces the EOS 6D Mark II

[LonelyBoy]

So a quick check on a comparably priced product - Canon USA store is currently offering the 5D MkIII at $2,300, whilst the Canon UK store is offering it at £2,160, which is the expected difference taking into account exchange rate and VAT, as noted by TallDan76. The 6D MKII still looks over-priced in the UK.

And yet we have this conversation with every new product. Nearly-discontinued products have a number of additional distorting effects, such as local stock and demand levels. Again, we have this same discussion for literally every new body.

 

[Don Haines]

Canon could have easily designed the AF sensor to have full coverage. All they need to do is to make the unit twice as wide and three times as tall, and to completely redesign the optical path inside the camera to make room for it. Sure, this would have meant changing the flange to sensor distance to make enough room, but you would get better AF point coverage. The only downside would be that the camera would be much deeper and taller, but that is an advantage! People with gorilla hands would have an easier time to hold the camera..... Sure you would have to buy a whole new set of lenses for the increased flange distance, but then you would have all new lenses and you would have helped to stimulate the economy!

Or, you could realize that sometimes things are the way that they are for a good reason.......

 

[bandido]

6D Mark II or 5D Mark III?

 

[CanonCams]

Mmmm..

The DR is troubling. I have an 80D, if it isn't much better than that why upgrade?

 

[Deepboy]

6D Mark II or 5D Mark III?

It depends on what you're looking for

Consider that IQ and DR in 6D are superior to 5DIII. And 6DII is (hopefully) superior to 6D. So the answer is easy.

If you look for double card slot, more rugged body, somewhat better (and more widespread) AF, the answer is easy again.

But, IMHO, i would never buy today a 5DIII compared to a 6DII; the 6DII should be way better and modern than the 5DIII. The comparison is to be done with the 5DIV, to understand if 6DII not so inferior to be taken into account.

I think we have to wait in-depth reviews on IQ and DR.

 

[bandido]

No headphone jack? Why? Canon Why?

 

[dexstrose]

No headphone jack? Why? Canon Why?

Its not a radio. ;D

 

[Sporgon]

6D Mark II or 5D Mark III?

Consider that IQ and DR in 6D are superior to 5DIII.

DR, or more specifically shadow recovery at low ISO, yes without a doubt. But this doesn't always effect "IQ". In most situations within a 'normal' ISO range I would not expect there to be any practical difference.

It's interesting that at least in the UK these two bodies are now identically priced. I'd say low iso shadow recovery + flip / touch screen, + video DPAF = 6DII. For the rest 5DIII.

But it's a moot point anyway because I believe that to take a serious picture you have to have two card slots anyway ;D

 

[Zv]

Wait let me get this straight. So some person over on DPR claims that the 6DII has less DR than the 5DIV based on JPEGs? And now it's being touted around like it's fact that the 6DII has the same DR as the 80D?? This is all based on what scientific method may I ask? I don't see any links to any hard numbers or graphs.

People are actually canceling pre-orders over this? Hmmm maybe wait until some sensible data comes in, perhaps?

 

[bandido]

No headphone jack? Why? Canon Why?

Its not a radio. ;D

The 80D is not a radio either, but they included a headphone jack. Go figure ???

 

[Sharlin]

Wait let me get this straight. So some person over on DPR claims that the 6DII has less DR than the 5DIV based on JPEGs? And now it's being touted around like it's fact that the 6DII has the same DR as the 80D?? This is all based on what scientific method may I ask? I don't see any links to any hard numbers or graphs.

People are actually canceling pre-orders over this? Hmmm maybe wait until some sensible data comes in, perhaps?

It's in the internet, it must be true.

 

[Mikehit]

I really hope that DPR is full of it and they didn't purposefully gimp the sensor. I'm hesitant to pre-order now. I guess i'll wait for more reviews at this point.

I saw that in DPR as well and it has given me pause. I shoot a lot of landscape; the absolutely most important ask from me for the 6D mkII was improved sensor performance in DR, and weakening or removing that nasty AA filter.

If the 6D mkII does not have the improved DR of the 5d MkIV and 80D but retains older sensor technology with less DR that would be a major disappointment. The samples so far seem unimpressive in DR and the fine detail looks strongly AA'd. Just samples from beta, yes -- I will wait and see, but my early impression is that this is a very useful upgrade in many respects but a disappointment where it matters most: the sensor.

I sure hope it proves out otherwise.

Canon has a poor track record in putting out sample pictures on release that really do not do its products justice. I would wait a while for the field reviews from whomever you trust.

 

[CanonCams]

Wait let me get this straight. So some person over on DPR claims that the 6DII has less DR than the 5DIV based on JPEGs? And now it's being touted around like it's fact that the 6DII has the same DR as the 80D?? This is all based on what scientific method may I ask? I don't see any links to any hard numbers or graphs.

People are actually canceling pre-orders over this? Hmmm maybe wait until some sensible data comes in, perhaps?

The world is burning! The end is near!

 

[Sharlin]

here it is. very approximated, compensated for 95% OVF of 6D II ( inner grey rectangle - 6d II - viewfinder view, outer grey rectangle - same, but compensated for 95% OVF coverage, aligned with 5d IV viewfinder view, red rectangles - 6d II AF zones, blue - 5d IV AF zones, light blue little squares - 6D, original, 11 points AF system spread...) your comments, Scotty??

You failed to note that the outer points on the 5D-IV are not cross-type, so cross-type coverage is very similar. The 5D-IV does have a slight advantage in vertical spread for the central group of AF points.

This demonstrates nicely why the outer AF points aren't cross-type even in Canon's flagship AF system. They're simply too far in the periphery for reliable vertical phase information.

 

[nightscape123]

Wait let me get this straight. So some person over on DPR claims that the 6DII has less DR than the 5DIV based on JPEGs? And now it's being touted around like it's fact that the 6DII has the same DR as the 80D?? This is all based on what scientific method may I ask? I don't see any links to any hard numbers or graphs.

People are actually canceling pre-orders over this? Hmmm maybe wait until some sensible data comes in, perhaps?

People are waiting to preorder based on a major camera review site taking and editing many raw pictures and saying they were lacking. They aren't allowed to post the Raws as per canon nda probably for this very reason.

I may still end up preordering if better information becomes available but the sensor is the most important part of the camera. If for some reason it's not performing well that is the best possible reason to hold off ordering one.

 

[leadin2]

https://youtu.be/whntis9ogZ4

It is always official when you hear from Rudy.

 

[Talys]

All it took was to look at the photos on the review here to sell me:

http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/canon-6d-mark-ii/canon-6d-mark-iiA.HTM

Note the photos are taken by the reviewer and not by Canon. There is one of a buffalo shot at <b>ISO 6400</b> with a 100-400 L II, at f/5.6, 1/500 and processed with DPR. The darks and the on the buffalo look wonderful at when viewed to 100%. The graininess on the lights are very pleasing at 100% too, with very good sharpness.

The photos taken at ISO 100 and ISO 160 are beautiful. Sadly, there are no sample photos in the mid-range ISOs.

It's really all I need to know though, because what I am looking for is a FF version of the 80D that shoots more usable high ISO photos than the 80D.

 

[Studio Orange]

Seems like a solid camera. Especially as a back-up / secondary body for wedding photography.

The AF spread doesn't bother me at all -- as long as they all work reliably. Ultimately, I'd rather be confident in nailing the focus. There's enough MP to work with that I can fix composition in post. Can't fix botched focus.

I guess the big thing for me will be some real tests showcasing low light and DR performance.

 

[djkraq]

Of course wider AF spread would be nice but look at the 1DX2 where they tried hard and it's not much wider. That's because of physical limitations. However, to say that all these cross points and F8 capability is not an improvement and useful is a little dense considering all but the center are non-cross and not great in the 6D.

If you liked the 6D, and I did, then this is a major improvement in many areas and it's most welcome and it'll be a fine camera. Four years with the 6D and I did maybe 1 hour of video. Oh, but if it was 4K I'd do lots - sadly probably not, so why sweat it. Many like me simply don't shoot much video and Canon knows it.

Jack

Well, my 1DX2 has a really wide AF....when using DPAF. Remember, DPAF I believe reads straight from the sensor instead of the AF chip.

 

[Loswr]

And now it's being touted around like it's fact that the 6DII has the same DR as the 80D??

In other words, the 6DII has better low ISO DR than Nikon's flagship D5.