Canon officially announces the EOS R1 and EOS R5 Mark II

I'm not sure what the value of prerecording is for video given that professionals use clappers. So sure, cool feature, but why?

The guy I was talking too.... wild life, catching birds... it's hard to predict when they'll take off. There are a lot of mammals that it would be really good for with they're erratic behavior. Chimpanzees are psycho when they're energized.

I could also see it useful for certain X games type of sports.
 
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I will bug a few reps about the removal, but I simply think it was broken in some way.
Even a confirmation that 8K oversampled 4K60p will NEVER be coming to to R5 Mark II via a firmware update would be valuable information.

I‘d just be good to know what we can expect. There is no technical reason why 8K oversampled 4K60p shouldn’t be possible so I just want Canon to be honest with us. Is it coming? Are they working on it?
Or is it never coming because they simply don’t want to enable this ( CRIPPLE HAMMER) in the R5 II even though it’d technically be possible.

Some clarity from Canon would be HIGHLY appreciated. Hopefully there is a firmware update in the works!
 
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Considering how the Ai image processing is advancing rapidly I presume that canon is just leaning into that expecting AI processing to replace large mpx sensors. The inboxy upscale is good sign where they are going with it.
AI generation is not a substitute for the actual information captured from the scene. I'm actually surprised why Canon implemented it in the R5II. What's the use case of that feature?
 
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AI generation is not a substitute for the actual information captured from the scene. I'm actually surprised why Canon implemented it in the R5II. What's the use case of that feature?
Well if they succeed in doing it and maintain some sort of raw informations it is maybe cheaper than developing and producing a 100mpx sensor.
A lot of people don’t care the way the camera is getting the results as long they get it the same goes with AI features. I presume this is just the beginning Of the tech…
 
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Well if they succeed in doing it and maintain some sort of raw informations it is maybe cheaper than developing and producing a 100mpx sensor.
A lot of people don’t care the way the camera is getting the results as long they get it the same goes with AI features. I presume this is just the beginning Of the tech…
Physically moving the sensor (pixel shift) using the IBIS mechanism actually captures more information. You can ALWAYS use this picture to upscale it later on your computer. Upscaling doesn't have to happen in-camera. Pixel-shift mechanisms actually capture more information just like a higher MP sensor would do.
 
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Physically moving the sensor (pixel shift) using the IBIS mechanism actually captures more information. You can ALWAYS use this picture to upscale it later on your computer. Upscaling doesn't have to happen in-camera. Pixel-shift mechanisms actually capture more information just like a higher MP sensor would do.
The main problem with pixel shift is capturing movement. I presume in camera upscale can make the process simpler and faster. But I guess we will have to wait for a long time if that will happen I don’t see it happening beyond what is now possible in this cameras.
 
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"Is there? How big is that 'very big' market? How many 100-150 MP cameras are sold every year? Who do you think is better positioned to estimate the size of that market, you or Canon? How is it that most other camera makers offer higher MP models than Canon, yet Canon continues to dominate the camera market?"

I guess you need to kindly rethink the above two points that:

  1. Canon dominates the market.
  2. There is no demand for high megapixel cameras.
https://www.canonrumors.com/map-times-for-june-2024-x-t50-pummels-everyone/

You’ll be disappointed; it’s hard to spot a Canon in the top sellers list!

And further, you would be disappointed that your favorites—the R5, R3, and 1DX3 (R1)—are nowhere on the list.

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At number 8 is the Sony A7RV, a 62 MP camera, and at number 10 is the Fuji GFX at 100 MP.

So, both of your above arguments are ill-researched and far from the truth.

Photographers like to own multiple cameras for specific needs. What a GoPro or a DJI drone can do, an R1 or R5II won’t. What a Sony A7R5 can do, an R1 won’t. Manufacturers release cameras in multiple segments to retain loyal customers in the ecosystem so that they can keep selling lenses.

Loyal Canon customers are finding it hard to stay back:

A. Because the specific camera features they care about most are not available in the Canon lineup.

B. Canon charges a huge premium vis-a-vis the competition for similar products. The Nikon Z8 is available cheaper at $3499 and is similarly spec’d as the much delayed R5II at $4299.

This has to change, Canon, if you want to dominate the list.
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Here's another Top Seller list that Canon doesn't seem to dominate either:

https://www.canonrumors.com/map-camera-nikon-takes-top-spots/

Guess, who's on No.1 !! :D
Are you actually serious? You're basing a conclusion about the global camera market on sales at one single camera store? One store. In a one month period of time. I honestly hope you're trolling, because if you're not then you're a complete moron. Harsh, yes. But deserved. Calling my statements 'ill researched and far from the truth', when you're pathetic 'research' represents the sales of a few hundred cameras by a single high-end store, which is about as infinitesimal and non-representative a sample as you can get. What other 'evidence' do you want to present to support your claims about the global camera market...perhaps the cameras you've personally purchased? LOL. Try to get a grip on reality.

1. Canon dominates the market
Canon sold 2.9 million ILCs last year of the ~6 million cameras shipped. That's close to a 50% market share. Perhaps you also didn't notice the recent article that Canon has a significant global lead in just the mirrorless market segment (41% share, with Sony at 32% and Nikon at 13%). Canon has led the camera market for over two decades, and has had 45-48 % of the market for the past decade. So yes, Canon dominates the camera market.

2. There is no demand for high megapixel cameras.
I didn't say there was no demand, I implied there was very little demand. Based on Fuji's financials, even if you assume that 10% of the professional cameras (their label for ILCs, they divide camera sales into professional vs. Instax) they sold last year were GFX models (and that's probably a big overestimate), they sold ~15,000 of them worldwide. About 10 years ago, a senior Leica executive stated that the global medium format digital camera market was ~7,000 units per year (not just Leica, the whole market). That predated the availability of the 'affordable' Fuji sub-medium format cameras, but those are still far more expensive than most camera bodies. There were ~6 million ILCs shipped last year. In other words, a reasonable if not generous estimate is that somewhere less than 0.25% of camera buyers are using sensors with ≥100 MP. That's a pretty insignificant demand relative to the overall market.

Feel free to reply, but if your posts are as ridiculous and asinine as the one above, I'm not going to bother replying. You can't fight stupid with facts and logic.
 
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Well if they succeed in doing it and maintain some sort of raw informations it is maybe cheaper than developing and producing a 100mpx sensor.
A lot of people don’t care the way the camera is getting the results as long they get it the same goes with AI features. I presume this is just the beginning Of the tech…
In that regard, there's no beginning; it's physically impossible to recover information from the scene that's already lost and will never happen again.

I'm still unsure about the use cases. The R5II is an action camera; why would anybody need to quadruple the pixel count of action shots in jpeg right in camera?
 
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The main problem with pixel shift is capturing movement. I presume in camera upscale can make the process simpler and faster. But I guess we will have to wait for a long time if that will happen I don’t see it happening beyond what is now possible in this cameras.
It's something entirely different and therefore not a substitution or an alternative to pixel shift. Physically shifting pixels and capturing more information that way can ONLY be done in-camera. Upscaling a picture does NOT have to happen in-camera. And upscaling will work even better in 5 or 10 years even with old photos. But capturing more information by physically shifting the pixels using the IBIS motors can ONLY happen in-camera and there is no equivalent replacement for pixel shift. ONLY pixel shift actually captures more information and there are ways to deal with capturing movement.
 
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On the other hand, the fact that 100+Mp cameras aren't sold in huge numbers might just mean there's little offer at affordable prices. I.e. there would have been demand had the prices been lower.
Of course. But probably not realistic for a while. If Fuji really is selling 15K MF units per year (big if), that suggests the lower priced offerings have more than doubled the size of the MF market in 10 years as the overall camera market shrunk massively. That's a big change, but the starting number was basically insignificant, and twice insignificant is still insignificant.

Someone mentioned that the Nikkei article reporting that Canon solidly leads the MILC market also stated that R1 production is 3700 units/month, so 44K units per year. That suggests the 24 MP R1 is likely to sell at least 3 times more units per year the Fuji MF cameras priced in the same ballpark.
 
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Do you think that there is realistic chance of a software update bringing 8K oversampled 4K60p to the R5 II?

The R5C has 8K oversampled 4K60p WITH THE EXACT SAME IMAGE PROCESSOR!
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I'm not sure the R5C has the exact same processor, Canon has continually called everything 'digic X', even when we can observe massive differences ourselves. Also, the R5C requires external power if you want AF in 8k60 and it has active cooling.

I'd also like to have oversampled 4k60, it's the mode I use most on my R8. I might decide to stop caring if the 4k60 HEVC or sRAW is 'good enough', but for things where I want all the detail, like dragonflies or songbirds, I'll have to see if 8k60 RAW lite isn't a massive pain to use.
 
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I'm not sure what the value of prerecording is for video given that professionals use clappers. So sure, cool feature, but why?
It's for non-professionals like me, when waiting for my kids to do something or for a dragonfly/squirrel/amphibian to move. I've used it a bunch on my R8, I should re-enable it next time I plan to film wildlife.
 
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If Canon came out with a 60MP (or more) R5s that only did 1080p or 4k video (limitation in firmware), had no air vents, and sold for the same price as the R5 or less, it would be interesting to see what sold best - the R5II or R5s. Why should Canon canibilize its own sales? if they don't, someone else will
Sony already does.
Nikon inevitably will.
 
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