Canon releases the Canon EOS R5 Mark II User Manual

[dirtyvu]

So if there are errors in the manual there is a chance that we will actually get 8K oversampled 4K60p?
I wonder if they’d update these user manuals when they release a firmware update bringing meaningful new features to the camera?!

my guess is that it will come after launch. smooth launch first. features later.

 

[JonasGillmann]

my guess is that it will come after launch. smooth launch first. features later.

HOPEFULLY!!!

A meaningful firmware update months after the release could spark new sales so adding 8K oversampled 4K60p via an update could actually make sense. Everybody would talk about the R5 Mark II again after such a big firmware update

 

[josephandrews222]

Why is Pre-Continuous Shooting available as a configurable button in video but not Stills? Sometimes Canon's button configs make no sense.

Good post. Good find.

There are posters here who lament the fact that additional video features within Canon's latest releases may come at the expense of features that still shooters would utilize.

I've never paid much attention to this sort of thing.

But rest assured, in my hands Pre-Continuous Shooting will be more useful to me when shooting stills...as opposed to video.

So I vote for the ability to turn Pre-Continuous Shooting on and off with a configurable button...while shooting stills.

 

[Loswr]

So I vote for the ability to turn Pre-Continuous Shooting on and off with a configurable button...while shooting stills.

I wonder if the R1 will have that capability. I hope so...

 

[snapshot]

Good post. Good find.

There are posters here who lament the fact that additional video features within Canon's latest releases may come at the expense of features that still shooters would utilize.

I've never paid much attention to this sort of thing.

But rest assured, in my hands Pre-Continuous Shooting will be more useful to me when shooting stills...as opposed to video.

So I vote for the ability to turn Pre-Continuous Shooting on and off with a configurable button...while shooting stills.

does pre-shooting get saved in a custom shooting setting?

 

[koenkooi]

they need to update the manual. It still says no audio is recording in slow motion video.

On the new bodies there are 2 ways to record slow motion:

1. Using the High Frame Rate option, just like you are used to
2. Selecting 120p/240p in the regular menu, keeping HFR disabled

For option 1 you get a video file with no audio that will playback in slow motion. For option 2 you will get a video file WITH audio, that plays back at normal speed, you have to slow it down in post.

See https://cam.start.canon/en/C017/manual/html/UG-03_Shooting-2_0040.html

 

[josephandrews222]

Why is Pre-Continuous Shooting available as a configurable button in video but not Stills? Sometimes Canon's button configs make no sense.

I posted this:

"If Canon makes 'pre-record continuous shooting' as straightforward as Apple does in iOS, I think I agree with Keith L."

...in a CR thread recently.

I guess I'm realizing how much I look forward to finding out as much as I can about this feature; it really is satisfying to extract the 'best' snapshot from the iPhone live shooting results...

 

[David_E]

Can\'t find info when preordered cameras might be delivered???

As always, they'll be here when they get here.

 

[David_E]

So where's the PDF?

 

[SwissFrank]

which is why MILCs can focus accurately even at very narrow apertures (e.g., the max f/22 of an 800/11 with the 2x TC).

I prefer the term MILFF's :-D

And of course you're totally right, but I'll add a footnote that you need enough light. You can AF with f/22 in daytime or on a bright subject but not in nighttime. Generally speaking though you can AF with DOF any aperture you can hand-hold with IBIS, so in practice this footnote is mostly theoretical.

 

[Alastair Norcross]

So sadly nothing for stills. I sometimes use the feature in the R7 to check the level, it forces fully mechanical shutters, which I immensely dislike.
Being on vacation as sea, my consistent one degree lean shows up very clearly

This isn't accurate. On the R7, the auto level is incompatible with EFCS, but works just fine with e-shutter.

 

[MiJax]

Not sure if it was talked about in this thread, but the manual shows (for the first time in a non-1 Series body) the ability to use the active AF point for spot metering. I know people will like it, even though it doesn't fit my methods.

 

[Loswr]

Not sure if it was talked about in this thread, but the manual shows (for the first time in a non-1 Series body) the ability to use the active AF point for spot metering. I know people will like it, even though it doesn't fit my methods.

I did not notice that, great find! Very nice, since I presume that also means the R1 will have the same capability. Minor side note, some non 1-series film bodies could do it, but for digital it's been restricted to the 1-series...until now.

Still, if I were an R5 user I would find the Smart Controller far, far more useful than AF point-linked spot metering.

Nevermind, seems it was a wild goose chase (unless @MiJax can provide a manual link that is not evident to me).

 

[Nemorino]

the ability to use the active AF point for spot metering.

Where have You found this? Page 330 shows only the same four methods as the R5.

 

[Loswr]

Where have You found this? Page 330 shows only the same four methods as the R5.

Agreed, AF point-linked spot metering is not there. I suspect @MiJax came across the part that metering can be linked to the detected subject (it's mentioned on p.332) but that's still just evaluative metering, which has always taken the active AF point into account in the context of the whole scene, but is not the same as spot metering linked to the active AF point.

 

[koenkooi]

This isn't accurate. On the R7, the auto level is incompatible with EFCS, but works just fine with e-shutter.

I just tried that and it works! Thanks for highlighting that!

 

[MiJax]

Where have You found this? Page 330 shows only the same four methods as the R5.

I was referring to this, https://cam.start.canon/en/C017/manual/html/UG-03_Shooting-1_0490.html . From what I see it is new, but I shouldn't have called it "Spot" metering. It is only available in Eval, and uses the active AF point or area for metering.

AE for Priority Subjects During AF​

• [Enable]: Metering is based on the AF point or AF area where the subject was detected.

• Metering is also based on the entire screen when [
  
  : Subject to detect] is set to [None].
• Has no effect during manual focusing (MF).

 

[Loswr]

I was referring to this, https://cam.start.canon/en/C017/manual/html/UG-03_Shooting-1_0490.html . From what I see it is new, but I shouldn't have called it "Spot" metering. It is only available in Eval, and uses the active AF point or area for metering.

AE for Priority Subjects During AF​

• [Enable]: Metering is based on the AF point or AF area where the subject was detected.

• Metering is also based on the entire screen when [
  
  : Subject to detect] is set to [None].
• Has no effect during manual focusing (MF).

Thanks. As stated above, evaluative metering has always weighted the exposure to the selected AF point. Sounds like they're just saying that applies to the selected subject with automatically-detected subjects. I wonder how it compares to real spot metering. Time will tell, e.g. with backlit subjects.

 

[Nemorino]

I was referring to this

Thank You!
Looks really interesting and is indeed new to the R5 series.

 

[Loswr]

Looks really interesting and is indeed new to the R5 series.

Indeed. The reason I liked spot metering linked to the AF point was that, unlike evaluative metering, it ignores the background. If this new ‘subject priority’ metering does that, it really doesn’t matter if it’s called spot metering or not.

The downside would be that it presumably will only work with things the camera identifies as subjects.