Canon Sales Going Pretty Well in Japan
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dolina said:Might be on sale?Diltiazem said:
Decided not to wait and went ahead with this instead.
Just waiting for the Metabones Mark IV to be shipped.
I admit I am a little jealous. I just upgraded to the Metabones T Mark IV. What an improvement over the mark III. So now I am making do with the Canon 24f2.8 IS.
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tcmatthews said:
It's still surprising. In the mirrorless market, Sony is the powerhouse here in France when it comes to market visibility.
EOS-M, Olympus and Panasonic are pretty much invisible in France. You got ads and reviews in pretty much every periodic and even in the subway for Sony cameras (either the A7 line or the Ax000 lines).
They got as far as to completely cover a subway station in ads during the Salon de la Photo event in Paris... And the Sony stand at the show was as big as Nikon or Canon.
Canon ads revolve mostly around the xxxD and the xxD, not much on the 5D/6D front except in specialist publications.
Same for Nikon.
So yeah, it's still a bit of a surprise. And the e-M5mkII and e-m10mkII seems to have made a bigger splash than the earlier versions. That's nice to see too. Those are great litlle cameras.
Djaaf.
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Best selling camera in the US is the Canon T5 / 1200D.
Top 12 best selling cameras are APS-C.
The first Fuji is all the way down in spot 49.
The first and only micro 4/3 camera in the top 100 is in spot 74. Irrelevant format almost.
http://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Electronics-Interchangeable-Lens-Cameras/zgbs/electronics/12556502011/ref=zg_bs_nav_e_3_281052/179-6403524-2375965
Top 12 best selling cameras are APS-C.
The first Fuji is all the way down in spot 49.
The first and only micro 4/3 camera in the top 100 is in spot 74. Irrelevant format almost.
http://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Electronics-Interchangeable-Lens-Cameras/zgbs/electronics/12556502011/ref=zg_bs_nav_e_3_281052/179-6403524-2375965
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Diltiazem said:
Japan's population dropped by 200,000 in 2013 and by 300,000 in 2015. year. Fastest dropping populaton in the world and no signs of slowing down, in fact each year a new record is broken. No country on earth is losing population at such a rate.
Thought that might be interesting.
Many of the schools and classrooms in Japan are literally half empty.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/japans-population-falls-for-the-fourth-straight-year-to-its-lowest-point-since-2000-10186705.html
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Errr... not sure about the quality of the data here...Nininini said:
Spot 29 is occupied by the Pentax K1000, a camera that was last seen in 1997.
Spot 30 is occupied by the Nikon D500, out for less than a month.
Spot 31 is the Olympus Pen F (a m4/3 camera, by the way...), which is available since... yesterday...
So... all in all, i'd take any opinion based on that source with a grain of salt... a big one. Probably around the size of Mercury.
Djaaf.
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Djaaf said:
It's selling. The are new reviews of this camera with Verified Purchase. So people are buying them.
Full frame f/2.0 pentaprism for $100, not bad at all.
Amazing deal if you get a good copy actually.
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Djaaf said:
Nothing abnormal about that, there are always first day purchasers.
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Nininini said:
I think it's an okay sampling of consumers at any given point in time. But, it should be used as just a rough sample and not as a precision tool.
Note that the results are different when you look at the list of top selling DSLRS (http://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Camera-Photo-DSLR-Cameras/zgbs/photo/3017941) where the D3300 holds the #1 and #3 spot.
I'm not sure how a camera can be #1 among interchangeable lens cameras but only #4 among DSLRs.
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I am not a sales figure guy..and I definitely do not have to be reinforced that the cameras, (or camera company) that I know, use and love having to be the best sellers. I don't care. I use what works best for my needs.
I do not know it these sales figures are for gross $ or for units sold.(not good with charts..I have art brain...LOL) .....but if a camera is extremely inexpensive or had a huge price drop it may have a tendency to sell more units. I know that the Canon M experienced a HUGE price drop and I think that the sales of those units soared because of that drop and that may or may not be adding to the numbers that are in those charts. I did not comb the web for substantiating info. I am no expert. Just throwing that thought into the mix. I am sure that the resident Canon sales rep here can stomp all over me for that input! ...but I said it anyway.
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I do not know it these sales figures are for gross $ or for units sold.(not good with charts..I have art brain...LOL) .....but if a camera is extremely inexpensive or had a huge price drop it may have a tendency to sell more units. I know that the Canon M experienced a HUGE price drop and I think that the sales of those units soared because of that drop and that may or may not be adding to the numbers that are in those charts. I did not comb the web for substantiating info. I am no expert. Just throwing that thought into the mix. I am sure that the resident Canon sales rep here can stomp all over me for that input! ...but I said it anyway.
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neuroanatomist said:Diltiazem said:
Your recollection is incorrect, insofar as BCN's data for Japan. As I stated, Canon was #4. Fuji fought it out with Nikon for the bottom slot...and Fuji won!
You can also see that Sony's downward and Oly's upward trends continued through 2015, with Oly now on top.
Primarily because Sony's releases over the period have been high end products. If they release updated consumer models this year (as they are rumored to be doing) they will probably hit the top spot again.
Nikon are rumored to be coming out with advanced mirrorless options this year as well, if they do that they will likely leapfrog up in the standings as well.
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infared said:I am not a sales figure guy..and I definitely do not have to be reinforced that the cameras, (or camera company) that I know, use and love having to be the best sellers. I don't care. I use what works best for my needs.
I do not know it these sales figures are for gross $ or for units sold.(not good with charts..I have art brain...LOL) .....but if a camera is extremely inexpensive or had a huge price drop it may have a tendency to sell more units. I know that the Canon M experienced a HUGE price drop and I think that the sales of those units soared because of that drop and that may or may not be adding to the numbers that are in those charts. I did not comb the web for substantiating info. I am no expert. Just throwing that thought into the mix. I am sure that the resident Canon sales rep here can stomp all over me for that input! ...but I said it anyway.
Same here, I couldn't tell either what the Y-axis was representing, units, revenue, something else. Either way I was thinking the same thing if it were units. Not all units are created equal with some cameras costs 10x the cost of others.
As for the Amazon tops sales items in certain categories. I've seen enough inconsistent behavior over the years and there is no understanding of the underlying criteria. When the T3i was the top seller forever I assumed it was aggregate data over a long time period. Then one day it was a pre-order item was the top seller. So while the Amazon lists are a fun little gauge I wouldn't use that info as if it were statistically significant or accurate.
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Djaaf said:I'm quite impressed by the Oly/Pana numbers. Combined, it means that m4/3 accounts for more than a third of the MILC market. That's a good news for a system I like.
And I'm quite impressed by Canon...4th, very close to third with the M line... I wouldn't have bet on that.
Sony is quite less dominant than photography forums would led you to believe...
Djaaf.
The reason for all that is because low end consumer models generate the bulk of sales. That is the only reason Canon is in their current position. Sony has focused on high end models which might not sell in the same numbers but have far higher value. They have not updated their mass market products in some time. Canon will need to sell 3-4 MILCs to equal 1 Sony MILC, and their unit sales are 1/3. That means the Sony are generating about 10x the revenue that Canon are in this segment in Japan.
If you re-plotted the data to reflect value rather than just number of units, I think those graphs would look quite different.
The same thing applies in compacts btw. Canon are selling things like bargain basement compacts at the low end, whereas Sony are selling things like the RX100 and RX10 series. The revenue gap will be much larger than the unit sales gap.
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Nininini said:Diltiazem said:
Japan's population dropped by 200,000 in 2013 and by 300,000 in 2015. year. Fastest dropping populaton in the world and no signs of slowing down, in fact each year a new record is broken. No country on earth is losing population at such a rate.
Thought that might be interesting.
Many of the schools and classrooms in Japan are literally half empty.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/japans-population-falls-for-the-fourth-straight-year-to-its-lowest-point-since-2000-10186705.html
That is primarily because of the rapid increase in average lifespans there since the second world war. Once the older generation start dieing off from old age the overall population size will rebound to its natural state. The same thing is happening in most developed countries that don't have in influx of immigrants, and the same thing will happen in developing countries in the next 50 years.
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Djaaf said:Errr... not sure about the quality of the data here...Nininini said:
Spot 29 is occupied by the Pentax K1000, a camera that was last seen in 1997.
Spot 30 is occupied by the Nikon D500, out for less than a month.
Spot 31 is the Olympus Pen F (a m4/3 camera, by the way...), which is available since... yesterday...
So... all in all, i'd take any opinion based on that source with a grain of salt... a big one. Probably around the size of Mercury.
Djaaf.
Clearly the conclusion is that the Pentax K1000 is a more popular camera than the Nikon D500!!
That is the problem with those lists.
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