Canon Says Q1 Profit Hit by Weak Printer, Camera Sales

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<p><a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/canon-results-idUSL3N17T2B7?type=companyNews" target="_blank">From Reuters</a></p>
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<li>Q1 operating profit falls 39 pct, more than expected</li>
<li>Office equipment, compact digital camera sales slump</li>
<li>Firm trying to diversify away from consumer cameras (Adds segment breakdown, context)</li>
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<p><strong>TOKYO, April 26</strong> Japan’s Canon Inc on Tuesday reported a steeper-than-expected fall in first-quarter operating profit on weaker demand for office equipment in emerging markets and slower global sales of compact digital cameras.</p>
<p>The world’s biggest maker of printers and cameras also cut its outlook for the full year ending December.</p>
<p>For January-March, operating profit dropped 39 percent to 40.1 billion yen ($361.4 million), the company said. That missed the 67.74 billion yen average of five analyst estimates, according to Thomson Reuters data.</p>
<p>Canon said it now expects full-year operating profit of 300 billion yen, lower than a previous forecast of 360 billion yen.</p>
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<p>Quarterly operating profit from office equipment, its biggest segment, fell 38 percent from a year earlier while profit from imaging <span id="itxthook0p" class="itxtrst itxtrstspan itxtnowrap"><span id="itxthook0w" class="itxtrst itxtrstspan itxtnowrap itxtnewhookspan">systems</span></span> such as cameras fell 33 percent.</p>
<p>To reduce its reliance on cameras, Canon agreed to buy Toshiba Corp’s medical equipment unit for 665.5 billion yen last month. The deal followed the purchase last May of 85 percent of Swedish video surveillance firm Axis AB.</p>
<p>The company, which earns about 80 percent of revenue overseas, said the yen’s appreciation in the first quarter had a negative impact on earnings.</p>
<p>For the rest of the year, it said it expects the U.S. dollar to trade at an average of 110 yen compared with a previous assumption of 120 yen.</p>
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Canon clearly have the ability to innovate being one of the top companies globally filing patents. Stills cameras are a mature market and replacement cameras need to be solid advances to entice the majority. Canon has demonstrated that it can provide cutting edge technical innovations but equally its been a company that drip feeds its technical innovation rightly or wrongly this has succeeded in the past but that may not be a guide for the future.
Sony have made great strides with their sensor business and are now trying to up their game in lenses with the G Master series however the A7 series of cameras are not without their own faults especially power management.

The 5D MKIV has to be as forward thinking as the 5D MKII was at its time and Canon also needs to make sure the 6D addresses common compliants namely the AF system if they do these then the success of both lines is assured because fundamentally they get more right than wrong by a country mile. Some will say DR is not an issue and certainly many astounding photographs are produced daily on its cameras but improving DR to at least 14 stops should be one of the goals it has to acheive to entice the purchase of advanced DSLRs.
 
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Canon has taken serious steps towards diversification. This development of the compact camera markets really doesn't come as a surprise. It is good to hear that Canon is doing ok in the DSLR area. With several developments close to market introduction they are going to get back on the growth path. And they are well prepared for the growing demand, once the world economy starts to recover.
I was surprised about the weakness of the printer business. May be that is also seriously affected be the weakness of the major world markets.
I'm wondering about Nikon. It will be interesting to compare their recent business with Canon. A Nikonian told me, in his favorite Nikon Forum they discuss, that Nikon is always late, doesn't listen to their customers, develops the wrong products, the company is doomed. He thinks, quite a number of these trolls post in Nikon and in Canon Forum as well.
 
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The next quarter will be more interesting. I spoke with a couple of camera store owner in Toronto and they told me they haven't sold a single unit since Canon price hike. MAP is already big headache and problem for these shops, now adding this price hike to it is like asking them to shut down the business. Have you guy check out the price on Photoprice website lately? 5d mk3 with kit was around $3800 OTD, now is over $4800 that is crazy expensive.
 
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bdunbar79 said:
nightscape123 said:
Crippling their cameras, releasing 3-4 year old tech and not updating their best sellers... not a big surprise that their profit is falling... Maybe this will help canon wake up and realize they can't just float on past success forever.

Their competition actually did a bit worse.

unfocused said:
Quarterly PROFIT of $361 million. Canon is doomed.

Why should people let facts influence their biased opinions?
 
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neuroanatomist said:
bdunbar79 said:
nightscape123 said:
Crippling their cameras, releasing 3-4 year old tech and not updating their best sellers... not a big surprise that their profit is falling... Maybe this will help canon wake up and realize they can't just float on past success forever.

Their competition actually did a bit worse.

unfocused said:
Quarterly PROFIT of $361 million. Canon is doomed.

Why should people let facts influence their biased opinions?
Its far from doomed but investors clearly dont like to see a 39% drop in profits and it shows how far wrong you can be with forecasting revenues & EBITDA. Profit also generates the cash for R&D a key metric for technology companies like Canon.
The Toshiba medical business would not have generated significant bottom line cash yet and Axis AB is only into a year of 85% ownership these are long term strategic shifts to cushion the shock of traditional business demise or fluctuations.
 
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Well, the Rebel Yell is over. :D

M3 and M10 "solid demand" ... imagine if there also was a kick-ass Canon EOS M4! Not to mention a Canon FF sensored MILC system ... fully competitive with Sony A7 II series. oh wow, are we looking at missed sales or what?

Sailor in crow's nest: "Iceberg dead ahead!"
Canon Defense League: "Don't worry mate, looks like a small piece of ice only and the Titanic is unsinkable"
;D
 
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So there finally is enaugh naysayers, ship jumpers and "not gonna upgrate for just THIS" people, right? It might indicate about nothing I jumped Nikon FX last week from Canon crop, not giving me "any". Or there could be some merit to it.
I don´t know, it´s not going to be good times for all of us I gues...
 
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No surprise here...

Let's look at the two areas cited as the reason for this -


Compact cameras. That whole industry is dying. It is becoming more and more difficult to stay relevant given the onslaught of ever improving cell phone cameras. For compact cameras to hold on, there's going to have to be some serious innovation and tech put into them. I don't see that happening. Because if they couldda-they-wouldda. Besides, the main killer of the compact camera is the inability to easily share. Cell phones will dominate and win because they are a 100% full time internet connected social media portable computer. Compact cameras will never be.


Printers. A lot of people are downright sick of printers, especially inkjets. Most printers are practically disposable these days, low quality machines. The cost of the printer pales in comparison to the ink cartridges. And that's where the disgust comes in. The prices of ink are just outrageously high for what you get. Low output printing, high materials cost. It is just a lose-lose scenario. Manufacturers don't make it easy either, they all use proprietary ink cartridges and even go to great extents and efforts to block the use of cheaper, 3rd party ink suppliers.

This is why in recent years, there's been a bit of a comeback of the laser printer. For people who just want documents, the laser is better. But more expensive, so it has to be folks who really can justify the printer costs. Not the same for inkjets. They are horrible value for document printing. And where they really shine, in photo-printing, they are a terrible value there too. Only with the highest end inkjets, and best paper in ideal circumstances can you get close to professional print. Note, close - not the same. You might get all the resolution and color, but not durability and other qualities.

But really, that isn't even the killer. It's the cost. By the time you get an inkjet printer, the cartridges and paper - what is your 8x10 print cost? What people don't factor in is all the calibration steps and other ink and paper waste that takes place. So your yield is never 100% of your materials. Not even close.

After cost, is convenience. A printer is another counter-space sucking dust collector. All for what? To create physical prints. Useless for most folks as now the medium has become digital. Most photos are stored, kept, shared, viewed, admired on the internet. Particularly on social media sites. It has come to the point where if you want something to hang on the wall - you're going to get a professional portrait done anyway - and you will get it professionally printed as part of the package. For those that want wallets and small prints - who can challenge the speed, ease and pricing of any one of a hundred stores where you can just feed photos to via your cell phone and get prints in minutes?

The trend in consumer electronics is speed, ease, convenience. They don't want printers and cabling and nonsense. They don't even want desktop computers much anymore. Look at the huge rise of laptops and other smaller devices. All wireless. Smaller, wireless, convenient, fast - sharing and connected. That is the trend. Anything that doesn't fall into that is in danger of becoming extinct.

It's not even useful for kids pictures. These days you can get a Groupon deal, go to the mall, and for literally less than $15 USD, get a portrait session done and gets a set of prints. We're talking two 8x10, four 5x7, 16 wallets and usually more.

Less than $15. Photo session with studio lights, props, prints all done. How can this be beat?

Who wants to deal with some compact camera, then take memory card and go to PC or printer, setup printers, inks and paper and all that nonsense just to get a few pictures.

There is a place for the photo-printer. Pros and serious enthusiasts can make it work economically as they can create proofs and experiment in shop, before spending huge money on very large, expensive high end prints for commercial sales. But this is a sort of cost of doing business thing. It is a step in a greater process, NOT the end result.

That said, and this ties into the average consumer - the quality isn't there. Pro prints are visually better, even to non-experts.

So there you have it, the photo printing for the masses is a dying industry and has been. Photo-printing is, just like cameras with DSLR's, moving toward being for enthusiasts and pros. Document printing is going to laser. And even that too is dying out as the world moves to paperless and there's more cloud computing.


Companies that are into these businesses already know this. They're in it because there's still demand for it. Few things go obsolete over night. It is a process, some longer, some shorter. Canon, Sony, Nikon and others still make money off of these compact point and shoots. BUT - that will and is dwindling down.

Canon is making moves, granted, slowly - toward adjusting for that. Notice the more specialized DSLR's. More innovation in high end glass. There will always be a market for higher end and pro gear. What kind of innovation is there for Powershots? Not a whole lot. And that goes for Sony too. What is so special about their RX? Short of some incredible technological leap in sensor performance, which isn't happening, these type of cameras are maxed out on innovation. Besides, that same technological leap for sensors would apply to cell phones, bumping their quality up too and making them even more appealing. Figure this - a 20% increase in image quality for a DSLR is significant, but for 95% of uses - not noticeable. That's because the images are already very very good and beyond the quality most can take advantage of on the web. However, 20% boost in IQ for a cell phone is huge. That is very noticeable, as their output is more in line with the web and with small sensors, they need it more. You go from mediocre to good. Whereas in a DSLR, you go from great to slightly greater.

Sure, they can still improve AF, video and add bells and whistles. That's fine, but does not fundamentally change the fact that most people get decent enough results with an iPhone and can instantly share. Until a pocket camera can go on the internet, from anywhere, and login to and instantly share photos - they are destined for extinction. Anyone envision a fully featured Android powered pocket camera that also connects to cell phone carriers? By the time you do that, you might as well add voice and you're back to a cell phone with a larger sensor.


This is all just my $0.02
 
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Canon is doing about as well as any imaging company possibly could.

Factors that play largest:

Satisfaction with the quality and convenience of cell phones.

Feeling awkward carrying a "big" camera, especially when a cell phone captures memories well enough.

Believing that investing time and effort into developing photography skills is futile with the oversaturation of good photographers and photographs. And if you look online, selfies are pretty easy, with or without the ducky face.

Printer competition is extremely tough, especially with so many memories being carried around on smart phones and tablets. How many prints can one hang in their own home? There isn't much need for photo-albums anymore. So, you get a printer, who are you printing for now? Grandma?

We are in an era of creative destruction on steroids. Consider Intel, Big Oil, paper companies...Heck, even cash may be disappearing. Sony was king of TVs less than a decade ago; now they no longer manufacture them. Sports Authority in the USA is going bankrupt. Book stores have almost disappeared.

And, worryingly, "It's the economy, stupid."

I believe Canon is doing all it can to navigate in uncharted waters, better than many.
 
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