Canon Targets Security Camera Market for Growth

[kjay27]

Since when have technologies devloped for security or military ever helped civilian products.

Well, I've found ***/satellite navigation to be pretty helpful.

And how 'bout the internet. It was originally developed by the Pentagon's DARPA (Al Gore's self claim to the contrary)

 

[Don Haines]

Since when have technologies devloped for security or military ever helped civilian products.

Hmmmmmm........

The big projects I have worked on....

Teledon... invented in Ottawa Canada, the inspiration for HTML.... ( this was late 1970's.... phone modems to communicate, a compact formatting language, and interactive browsing of pages)
High speed modems.....
Darpanet.... became the internet..... (Canada and the USA jointly developed it... Canadian lead scientist was Dr. John Robinson (my boss), released to the world 1986)
Wireless data communications.....
Satellite communications.....
Search and Rescue beacons and groundstations.... we did the first detect of a crashed plane in 1985....

what good ever came from military research?????

 

[gferdinandsen]

Since when have technologies devloped for security or military ever helped civilian products.

Well, I've found ***/satellite navigation to be pretty helpful.

1) Penicillin
2) ***
3) HUD's
4) All sorts of aircraft technologies
5) Graphite Golf Clubs (light weight composites)

Would you like me to continue?

 

[paul13walnut5]

Hahaha Dr. Brain is not alone it seems.

Read back muppets.

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

Since when have technologies devloped for security or military ever helped civilian products.

Well, I've found ***/satellite navigation to be pretty helpful.

Electronic Computers! Developed to calculate shell trajectories during WWII. Eventually evolving into commercial products.
The Internet

The list of products that evolved from Military R&D is beyond comprehension. Many people don't realize how much of our modern electronics have their roots in Military Research.

 

[Skulker]

How come this boring notice makes the front page, one that has nothing to do with consumer users and the absolutely critical report about the column ADC patent, also mentioned by Angkorwat in the same posting doesn't?

The ADC patent might mean that maybe finally Canon puts out some state of art sensors again, ones maybe even better than Exmor since they may also have the best DR at high ISO too.

This was the important part of Ankor's posting:
http://image-sensors-world.blogspot.se/2013/08/canon-files-for-dual-range-column.html

Perhaps because no one understands it?

Someone asked essentially that on the other thread and instead all that we got were snide comments about Ankor. Seriously, I understand that it is fun for some on this forum to play into his obsessions and goad him into arguments, but it would be nice if someone would also take a little time and explain what this patent means.

Put simply (and he did mention this) it means, if Canon actually implements it, that we should be able to do at least as well as Exmor for low ISO dynamic range while still doing as well at the best cameras at high ISO DR (which are non-Exmor). So it would be like the low ISO DR of a D800 and the high ISO DR of a 1DX/D4 all at once.

Put simply its a leap of faith to say what it will achieve "if Canon actually implements it". There is the little matter of going through R&D first to see what it can achieve. Its fair to assume that someone at Canon has faith it will work, but I bet they are being careful about what they are claiming.

What the patent describes is having more than one gain so in a gross simplification its sort of like a camera working at two different ISO settings at one time. You might think of it as in chip HDR.

Its an idea that has distinct possibilities but no one here will be able to do more than guess at the outcome. How educated the guess is will be for you the reader to decide for your selves. ;D

 

[Skulker]

Hahaha Dr. Brain is not alone it seems.

Read back muppets.

Once its got a momentum you cant stop it anymore than turn back the tide. Sit back and enjoy the ride.

 

[paul13walnut5]

Hahaha Dr. Brain is not alone it seems.

Read back muppets.

Once its got a momentum you cant stop it anymore than turn back the tide. Sit back and enjoy the ride.

Might as well. If it wasn't a school night I'd open a beer.

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

How come this boring notice makes the front page, one that has nothing to do with consumer users and the absolutely critical report about the column ADC patent, also mentioned by Angkorwat in the same posting doesn't?

The ADC patent might mean that maybe finally Canon puts out some state of art sensors again, ones maybe even better than Exmor since they may also have the best DR at high ISO too.

This was the important part of Ankor's posting:
http://image-sensors-world.blogspot.se/2013/08/canon-files-for-dual-range-column.html

Perhaps because no one understands it?

Someone asked essentially that on the other thread and instead all that we got were snide comments about Ankor. Seriously, I understand that it is fun for some on this forum to play into his obsessions and goad him into arguments, but it would be nice if someone would also take a little time and explain what this patent means.

Put simply (and he did mention this) it means, if Canon actually implements it, that we should be able to do at least as well as Exmor for low ISO dynamic range while still doing as well at the best cameras at high ISO DR (which are non-Exmor). So it would be like the low ISO DR of a D800 and the high ISO DR of a 1DX/D4 all at once.

Put simply its a leap of faith to say what it will achieve "if Canon actually implements it". There is the little matter of going through R&D first to see what it can achieve. Its fair to assume that someone at Canon has faith it will work, but I bet they are being careful about what they are claiming.

What the patent describes is having more than one gain so in a gross simplification its sort of like a camera working at two different ISO settings at one time. You might think of it as in chip HDR.

Its an idea that has distinct possibilities but no one here will be able to do more than guess at the outcome. How educated the guess is will be for you the reader to decide for your selves. ;D

People have already shown how shadows work at ISO1600 vs ISO100 years ago. Hint: it helps a LOT.

 

[Skulker]

People have already shown how shadows work at ISO1600 vs ISO100 years ago. Hint: it helps a LOT.

I couldn't agree more and cant imagine many would disagree. But BTW to be frank it's quite arguable that these days the difference between iso1600 and iso4000 is much more interesting.

But that is just the basis for this concept. To start drawing conclusions as to what will come out of the R and D is pretty much a waste of time. IMHO That's why I'm more interested in Canon moving into security cameras than in ankorwott's speculation. And just in case you misunderstand the point of that sentence I'd like to make it clear that I am not very interested in security cameras.

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

People have already shown how shadows work at ISO1600 vs ISO100 years ago. Hint: it helps a LOT.

I couldn't agree more and cant imagine many would disagree. But BTW to be frank it's quite arguable that these days the difference between iso1600 and iso4000 is much more interesting.

But that is just the basis for this concept. To start drawing conclusions as to what will come out of the R and D is pretty much a waste of time. IMHO That's why I'm more interested in Canon moving into security cameras than in ankorwott's speculation. And just in case you misunderstand the point of that sentence I'd like to make it clear that I am not very interested in security cameras.

Well I think it is pretty clear we could be talking a good 2-3 stops better at ISO100 so that is pretty darn interesting to me! (especially when Canon users rave about how the 6D has better high ISO than the D600, when the 6D DR advantage is like only 1/2 stop at high ISO until you go to super, super high ISO).

And considering that this site constantly poses lens patents and patents for foveon-like sensors and so on, most of which Canon never has any remote plans to ever produce (at least when it comes to the lenses), it seems exceedingly odd that they are burying his DR patent find. Why do all the other patents go main page and this one, which could be some of the biggest news of all does not? Are they afraid it will lead to talk pointing out that Canon has fallen wayyyy behind for low ISO DR at the current point in time on the main page or something or maybe just to annoy Ankor?? None of the other patents they post on the main page point out any current Canon weakness. It just seems odd that this, perhaps most important of all patents they could have posted, is the only one they leave off the front page.

Of course if you consider all patent posting to be a waste, that is fair enough.

 

[Skulker]

People have already shown how shadows work at ISO1600 vs ISO100 years ago. Hint: it helps a LOT.

I couldn't agree more and cant imagine many would disagree. But BTW to be frank it's quite arguable that these days the difference between iso1600 and iso4000 is much more interesting.

But that is just the basis for this concept. To start drawing conclusions as to what will come out of the R and D is pretty much a waste of time. IMHO That's why I'm more interested in Canon moving into security cameras than in ankorwott's speculation. And just in case you misunderstand the point of that sentence I'd like to make it clear that I am not very interested in security cameras.

Well I think it is pretty clear we could be talking a good 2-3 stops better at ISO100 so that is pretty darn interesting to me! (especially when Canon users rave about how the 6D has better high ISO than the D600, when the 6D DR advantage is like only 1/2 stop at high ISO until you go to super, super high ISO).

And considering that this site constantly poses lens patents and patents for foveon-like sensors and so on, most of which Canon never has any remote plans to ever produce (at least when it comes to the lenses), it seems exceedingly odd that they are burying his DR patent find. Why do all the other patents go main page and this one, which could be some of the biggest news of all does not? Are they afraid it will lead to talk pointing out that Canon has fallen wayyyy behind for low ISO DR at the current point in time on the main page or something or maybe just to annoy Ankor?? None of the other patents they post on the main page point out any current Canon weakness. It just seems odd that this, perhaps most important of all patents they could have posted, is the only one they leave off the front page.

Of course if you consider all patent posting to be a waste, that is fair enough.

Its clear you could be talking about what ever you want to you are talking about 2 or 3 stops better at iso100. Without a shred of technical data to back it up, its pure fantasy. What you get may be very different and may be quite some time in the future. When we get some realistic information from a reliable source I will be interested right along with you.

What a surprise that they post information about Canon patents on a Canon forum. Well blow me down I never expected that. There was a moan that poor old Ankorwatt was being ignored. When I tell you why I was not interested in his post you then start silly posts about 6D's. You're as daft as him.

I never said that i thought all Patent posting was a waste of time. For your information I'm very interested in Patents, the difference is that I don't jump to conclusions and start posting predictions about what will come of it. You are just like Ankorwatt, drawing incorrect conclusions from misinterpreting information you have.

 

[Don Haines]

Hahaha Dr. Brain is not alone it seems.

Read back muppets.

And clearly you can join Dr. Brain.....

 

[Skirball]

Hahaha Dr. Brain is not alone it seems.

Read back muppets.

Once its got a momentum you cant stop it anymore than turn back the tide. Sit back and enjoy the ride.

Might as well. If it wasn't a school night I'd open a beer.

You seem to be missing the point of college.

 

[paul13walnut5]

Hahaha Dr. Brain is not alone it seems.

Read back muppets.

Once its got a momentum you cant stop it anymore than turn back the tide. Sit back and enjoy the ride.

Might as well. If it wasn't a school night I'd open a beer.

You seem to be missing the point of college.

Hahaha! Did my fair share of school might excess when a student. School night just a turn of phrase, weekday evening with work the next day would be more accurate, and would have been read as the intended meaning in my vernacular.

Not to worry. Thanks for the concern.

 

[paul13walnut5]

Hahaha Dr. Brain is not alone it seems.

Read back muppets.

And clearly you can join Dr. Brain.....

Too funny! Hahaha

 

[Don Haines]

This is not a case of Canon announcing intentions, it is a case of letting us know what has already happened...

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