Canon to Continue Using Canon Sensors in DSLRs
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Re: Canon’s Upcoming Multi-Layer, Foveon-Like Sensor Made By Sony?
If this is true, Jrista is probably over the moon now. ;D
On the other hand, it's entirely possible that Sony facilities are used to fabricate the sensor but sensor design comes from Canon.
If this is true, Jrista is probably over the moon now. ;D
On the other hand, it's entirely possible that Sony facilities are used to fabricate the sensor but sensor design comes from Canon.
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Re: Canon’s Upcoming Multi-Layer, Foveon-Like Sensor Made By Sony?
what about industrial espionage?
would that not be a problem?
buying a finished sensor is no problem but handing out all your technical stuff to a competing company so they can produce your latest and greatest?
i mean sony is not like other companys who could produce sensors for canon, they are a direct competitor.
it´s not like apple is handing out chip production to TSMC.
TSMC does not produce phones or tablets.
Woody said:
what about industrial espionage?
would that not be a problem?
buying a finished sensor is no problem but handing out all your technical stuff to a competing company so they can produce your latest and greatest?
i mean sony is not like other companys who could produce sensors for canon, they are a direct competitor.
it´s not like apple is handing out chip production to TSMC.
TSMC does not produce phones or tablets.
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Re: Canon’s Upcoming Multi-Layer, Foveon-Like Sensor Made By Sony?
Only if there are some special tricks and quirks during the production process this could be critical to espionage.
But if it's a standard production process...
Of course I would prefer to see a real Canon made Canon sensor.
As long as this sensor is not produced in China I would say that patents are saving the knowledge of the sensor design. And Sony surely could do a fast reverse engineering of a new Canon sensor Canon made.Jon_D said:
Only if there are some special tricks and quirks during the production process this could be critical to espionage.
But if it's a standard production process...
Of course I would prefer to see a real Canon made Canon sensor.
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Re: Canon’s Upcoming Multi-Layer, Foveon-Like Sensor Made By Sony?
Joint ventures, supplier relationships, and other similar arrangements between competing companies is quite common in many industries. The terms are always bound by air-tight legal documents specifying every detail of how the shared knowledge can or cannot be used.
Jon_D said:
Joint ventures, supplier relationships, and other similar arrangements between competing companies is quite common in many industries. The terms are always bound by air-tight legal documents specifying every detail of how the shared knowledge can or cannot be used.
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<p>A new <a href="http://www.canonwatch.com/canons-upcoming-multi-layer-sensor-made-sony/" target="_blank">rumor floating around</a> the web says that Canon is going to use Sony multi-layer sensors on two upcoming professional cameras. Myself as well as <a href="http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/cameras/Canon_rumours.html" target="_blank">Northlight both received emails disputing this claim</a> and that Canon will definitely continue to use Canon designed and manufacturers sensors in their DSLRs for the foreseeable future. Canon has used Sony sensors in the past with compact cameras, and most recently in the PowerShot G7 X.</p>
<p>Northlight points out and summarizes a <a href="http://www.dpreview.com/articles/7079726133/photokina-2014-canon-interview-mirrorless-in-the-very-near-future" target="_blank">recent Canon interview with DPR</a>.</p>
<p><strong>Q:</strong> Canon released two cameras at Photokina – the EOS 7D Mark II and PowerShot G7X. One thing we’ve learned is that the sensor in the G7X is not made by Canon. Does this represent a new philosophy at Canon?
<strong>A:</strong> We select the best sensor, whoever the manufacturer is. That’s our policy.</p>
<p><em>“As yet I’ve seen nothing to suggest that Canon’s choice of (small) sensors for the compact market will be reflected in their pro kit. The comparison with Nikon using Sony manufactured sensors (with Nikon design input) is an easy one to make, but misses the point that Nikon is primarily a camera company, whilst Canon isn’t, any more than Sony is.”</em></p>
<p>A commenter also mentioned Dual Pixel AF, which is a big part of Canon’s marketing for sensors.</p>
<p><strong><span style="color: #ff0000;">c</span>r</strong></p>
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I can't see it either because of Dual Pixel AF.
However, I would like to see something as I'm sniffing around the D750. Something which I never thought would happen. Not to replace my Canon kit, more to accompany it for bad lighting situations.
Because a bit like Canon not being loyal to any manufacturer, neither am I.
I use Hasselblad, Canon and Sigma DP cameras.
However, I would like to see something as I'm sniffing around the D750. Something which I never thought would happen. Not to replace my Canon kit, more to accompany it for bad lighting situations.
Because a bit like Canon not being loyal to any manufacturer, neither am I.
I use Hasselblad, Canon and Sigma DP cameras.
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Re: Canon’s Upcoming Multi-Layer, Foveon-Like Sensor Made By Sony?
Oh please.....
That's quite a statement, I wonder whether Sony can use it in their marketing materials.
Maximilian said:
Oh please.....
Canon Rumors said:
That's quite a statement, I wonder whether Sony can use it in their marketing materials.
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Re: Canon’s Upcoming Multi-Layer, Foveon-Like Sensor Made By Sony?
they buy them... that does not mean apple has developed them and let samsung manufacture them. apple just says.. make me a LCD with these specs.
most LCD displays are made by 3-4 companys and ARM processors are licensed anyway.
imo it´s different with critical parts like canons own chips or sensors designs.
rs said:
they buy them... that does not mean apple has developed them and let samsung manufacture them. apple just says.. make me a LCD with these specs.
most LCD displays are made by 3-4 companys and ARM processors are licensed anyway.
imo it´s different with critical parts like canons own chips or sensors designs.
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wockawocka said:
Only at the first glance!
Everybody else has phase detect on sensor as well. Some even cross types while taking more reading per second.
DPAF only gives you a benefit if the object is so narrow it would slip through those already very dense PDAF grids, but long enough to be properly identified. I.e. the tech is conceptionally interesting, but on the one hand not much of a practical advantage, on the other a liability due to the limited number of readout channels Canon uses.
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Re: Canon’s Upcoming Multi-Layer, Foveon-Like Sensor Made By Sony?
In other countries at least you can claim your patent rights on court and know that judiciary is independent.
PS.: Or what would be the reason that Canon is only producing the "low cost" stuff in China but not their pro lenses and Bodies? Quality control? That is something you can easily achieve there if you're trying.
Sorry, but I have seen far, far too many things in consumer and industrial products.expatinasia said:
In other countries at least you can claim your patent rights on court and know that judiciary is independent.
PS.: Or what would be the reason that Canon is only producing the "low cost" stuff in China but not their pro lenses and Bodies? Quality control? That is something you can easily achieve there if you're trying.
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and what could be the reason canon will use sonys fabs for their owns sensor design?
that would only make sense when canon has no fab that is able to produce such sensors.
from what i read canon has fabs with smaller litho processes.. it just not using them for FF sensors yet.
that would only make sense when canon has no fab that is able to produce such sensors.
from what i read canon has fabs with smaller litho processes.. it just not using them for FF sensors yet.
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If Canon does not yet have this process for their big sensors (APS-C and FF) this will be the main reason.Jon_D said:
Not needing to buy and run (by needed QC!) a new line, but to better utilize the one from Sony and get the sensors at a lower production cost.
Lower production cost is the main thing about this. If they were not satisfied with their sensors image quality they wouldn't have put it again into a 7D2, would they?
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Maximilian said:
as i wrote afaik canon has the resources.
if they have not it may make sense.
but i guess there would be other companys, who are not direct competitors, who could do it.
just as info IBM is selling it´s fabs because it can not utilize them enough.
and it´s not that there is a tremendous demand today, camera sales are going back.
so if canon has the fabs im pretty sure they would use them.
well.. the 7D 2 was in the making for quite some time.
you don´t change a camera quickly and decide to put in a different sensor.
imo the rumor makes more sense if canon buys the complete sensor from sony.
small chance.. but in my opinion bigger chance then sonys manufacturing canon sensors for canon.
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Jon, I didn't want to touch you and your arguments. More than that I wanted to point in the same direction you were asking.Jon_D said:
I am not really deeply involved in the production processes Canon has. Therefore I am no expert.
I too did read that Canon has production resources with smaller litho - for the small P&S sensors.
I believe that changing them for big sensors is not that easy.
Two possibilities:
1. They do not have resources for full frame.
2. The resources are already fully stretched.
Or a third possibility, mentioned by CR:
3. This rumor is simply wrong. But I was arguing in the assumption what if this was right. So that doesn't count.
Well, there also were rumors about 7D2 prototypes with a new - more performant - sensor design in the field.
I don't know the truth... I only know that such a sensor is not built into the serial models. As you I am only making assumptions, based on rumors and having fun with that.
Hope, you too
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