Canon to Release Super Telephoto Zoom in 2016 [CR2]

[jeffa4444]

A week after buying the EF 100-400mm f4.5-5.6L IS USM II !

I used the old version of the above lens in South Africa for game drives (rented locally) and was impressed with the quality and bought the new version last week at The Photography Show for £ 1500.00. Since used on Dartmoor this past weekend the quality of the images on my 5DS are worth the cost however would still be interested in a 200 - 600mm for wildlife. The extra reach provided it doesnt rob too much in aperture would have bagged me better shots of a leopard on my last trip although I didnt find the 100-400mm heavy to use hand held when required.

 

[tron]

...It makes sense to us that it would come below the EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS II as far as price point and quality are concerned. We’re confident such a lens from Canon would still have terrific optical performance and a relatively light weight...

So many contradictions. Why does it make sense? How can a longer zoom lens with non-L quality characteristics have terrific optical performance and at the same time be less expensive than 100-400 II?

Relatively light weight: Yes that is meaningful... and very specific.

It seems to me that this is just a mediocre (to say the least) marketing attempt...

Now, to succeed it has to be an L-quality lens. That will not come cheaply but it will be very successful.
Just my opinion...

 

[RickWagoner]

CR you're wrong about the date..

The 200-600mm will be announced along with the 7Dmark3 in 2017. it will be STM, look like a longer version of the 55-250 stm. All plastic with a metal mount but weight will be close to the Tamron. it is the same one in the Patent the was filed years back. Hoya is providing the elements least the front element, they already have the contract. The tripod collar is an extra but will ship with lens hood. it will lock for lens creep at 200mm and 400mm. focus down to 6 feet. won't be at the sharpest at wide open. $1,600 or close to.

7d3 is coming around February of 2017 last i heard this week. they're doing final testing on the heat displacement and battery drain for 4k use, just getting the algorithms down in the firmware. 8)

 

[CanoKnight]

Right when I was thinking I'd get a Sigma 150-600mm Contemporary within the next couple of months...

That's the whole point. Canon read your mind and they don't want you thinking of the Sigma.

 

[Luds34]

A 600/5.6 has the same aperture diameter as a 300/2.8 - 107.1mm. I can't see that coming in cheaper than the 71.4mm 100-400L.

+1, nor can I see Canon releasing an f/6.3 lens and needing to spoof their own AF system like Tamron/Sigma.

But hey, it's just a rumor - physics and reality have no place in the discussion.

+2

Canon hasn't released a single lens in the past 5 years, including their STM kit lenses) that has not had very solid optical performance. So unless they intentionally crippled this lens optically (I can't imagine) then I struggle to see how this would not obsolete the 100-400 II if it indeed was cheaper.

A 200-600 with f/5.6 on the long end? This has gotta be an L lens.

 

[docsmith]

CR you're wrong about the date..

The 200-600mm will be announced along with the 7Dmark3 in 2017. it will be STM, look like a longer version of the 55-250 stm. All plastic with a metal mount but weight will be close to the Tamron. it is the same one in the Patent the was filed years back. Hoya is providing the elements least the front element, they already have the contract. The tripod collar is an extra but will ship with lens hood. it will lock for lens creep at 200mm and 400mm. focus down to 6 feet. won't be at the sharpest at wide open. $1,600 or close to.

7d3 is coming around February of 2017 last i heard this week. they're doing final testing on the heat displacement and battery drain for 4k use, just getting the algorithms down in the firmware. 8)

Hmmm....then the 7D II (announced Sept 2014) would have a ~2.5 yr life? That is half the 5 year life of the 7D. The main way I can see it is the referenced 4k video and as it seems Canon has come out with sensor tech and maybe they want to include it in the flagship APS-C camera. Don't get me wrong, I'd welcome it, it is just not typical for what I've seen from Canon.

I am with the others on the front element. It has to be big. Which usually means expensive, which usually means L.

 

[Loswr]

RickWagoner just sent me a private message that it will be an EOS M lens with a max f/8 at the long end. He said he knew that as fact. :

 

[Sharlin]

Hmmm....then the 7D II (announced Sept 2014) would have a ~2.5 yr life? That is half the 5 year life of the 7D. The main way I can see it is the referenced 4k video and as it seems Canon has come out with sensor tech and maybe they want to include it in the flagship APS-C camera. Don't get me wrong, I'd welcome it, it is just not typical for what I've seen from Canon.

OTOH Canon was in no hurry to release a 7D2 as a Nikon D400 never materialized. Now, with the D500, it's a different situation. Also, as you said, the new sensor tech.

 

[unfocused]

Why would the price be below the 100-400 f/4.5-5.6? If it's the same amount of light passing through (variable f/4.5-5.6), wouldn't the shorter glass be cheaper?

Not an L lens would make it cheaper.

Because red paint is so costly?

It will be an "L" lens and it won't be cheaper than the 100-400.

Let's review the CR2 shall we. The two main things besides the focal length were:

1. Probably not an L
2. Cheaper than the 100-400 2

Not trying to pick a fight, but there is a reason this is called Canon RUMORS.

 

[tron]

CR you're wrong about the date..

The 200-600mm will be announced along with the 7Dmark3 in 2017. it will be STM, look like a longer version of the 55-250 stm. All plastic with a metal mount but weight will be close to the Tamron. it is the same one in the Patent the was filed years back. Hoya is providing the elements least the front element, they already have the contract. The tripod collar is an extra but will ship with lens hood. it will lock for lens creep at 200mm and 400mm. focus down to 6 feet. won't be at the sharpest at wide open. $1,600 or close to.

7d3 is coming around February of 2017 last i heard this week. they're doing final testing on the heat displacement and battery drain for 4k use, just getting the algorithms down in the firmware. 8)

Hmmm....then the 7D II (announced Sept 2014) would have a ~2.5 yr life? That is half the 5 year life of the 7D. The main way I can see it is the referenced 4k video and as it seems Canon has come out with sensor tech and maybe they want to include it in the flagship APS-C camera. Don't get me wrong, I'd welcome it, it is just not typical for what I've seen from Canon.

I am with the others on the front element. It has to be big. Which usually means expensive, which usually means L.

I do hope it is L. Otherwise Canon would have an excellent 100-400 and a so so 200-600. How someone would chose between them?

 

[scyrene]

A 600/5.6 has the same aperture diameter as a 300/2.8 - 107.1mm. I can't see that coming in cheaper than the 71.4mm 100-400L.

+1, nor can I see Canon releasing an f/6.3 lens and needing to spoof their own AF system like Tamron/Sigma.

But hey, it's just a rumor - physics and reality have no place in the discussion.

++1 People seem wildly optimistic without thinking about the reality. We've had this discussion on other threads - 500 5.6 I could buy, but if it's 600 5.6 then it'll be big, heavy, expensive, and probably an L.

 

[Bob Howland]

I'd like something at least as good as the 150-600 Sigma Sports, which I've almost purchased about four times, even if it costs $4000 USD. And, no, I'm not interested in an f/6.3 largest aperture at the long end. How much does the 200-400 Canon zoom costs, about $11,000? It isn't as if Canon doesn't have pricing room.

 

[AlanF]

A 200-600/5.6 zoom will be a 3kg+ job.

 

[dolina]

A 200-600/5.6 zoom will be a 3kg+ job.

I've hand held the 200-500mm Nikon and the weight is pretty heavy. I could imagine a 200-600 will weigh around 3kg and sell for around $2500 if it were a consumer lens.

 

[Big_Ant_TV_Media]

dont suppose a new 70-200 2.8 is coming?

 

[axtstern]

A 200-600/5.6 zoom will be a 3kg+ job.

Still better than the 6.5 Kilo I now cary with my old 400 2.8 + 1.4 extender arround.

 

[tron]

RickWagoner just sent me a private message that it will be an EOS M lens with a max f/8 at the long end. He said he knew that as fact. :

I guess the rolling eyes emoticon is perfect for cases like that ;D ;D ;D

A 500mm lens which by the way would have the same diameter with a Full Frame equivalent lens would balance nicely on a ... M-series Canon ;D ;D ;D

 

[unfocused]

I'll leave the physics to others, but here is what I can't get past.

Let's say I own a lens business. For this example we will call it "Neuro's Ye Olde Lens Shoppe."

I have two choices. I can make one lens that will cost me $850 to manufacture. Once distribution, marketing, packaging, shipping, warranty service and other costs are added in, I figure I can sell it at an MSRP of $1,800 and offer it as a low-budget lens. I will sell 50,000 at a profit of $200 each – $10 million

On the other hand, I can add about 15% to the cost of manufacture and make a much better lens that I can sell for $2,500. Most of my other costs are embedded and not going to change. (My warranty costs might actually go down, because there will be fewer repairs and replacements of the more expensive lens, on the other hand, I'll have to share more profit with retailers). By investing the extra 15% I now have the following: $200 original profit less $150 added costs plus $700 higher price less additional $200 to retailers for the higher costs item, for a net profit of $550 each. But, I only sell 40,000 units. Thus my $550 profit on 40,000 units is $22 million.

Hmm...since I've already invested 85% of the cost by making a cheap lens, why not add another 15% to my manufacturing costs, put a red ring on it and more than double my profits?

 

[Loswr]

RickWagoner just sent me a private message that it will be an EOS M lens with a max f/8 at the long end. He said he knew that as fact. :

I guess the rolling eyes emoticon is perfect for cases like that ;D ;D ;D

A 500mm lens which by the way would have the same diameter with a Full Frame equivalent lens would balance nicely on a M-series Canon ;D ;D ;D

Well, beyond poking fun at the pithy pronouncements of a poseur with self-declared 'insider knowledge', a 200-600mm zoom with f/8 on the long end would likely be similar in size to the current 300mm f/4L IS, and the M series doesn't require f/5.6 lenses for AF (for example, Canon's M55-200 is f/6.3 on the long end).

 

[Loswr]

Do I get a discount when shopping at Neuro's Ye Olde Lens Shoppe?