Canon's Roadmap for 2013 [CR2]

[J.R.]

I don't think a 7D II will be cheaper than a 6D. Though I do think it will MSRP for less than the 5D III started out at. My guess is around $2500, if it has 10 FPS and an AF system matching the 5D III's. The 6D remember uses the more consumer grade body; fiberglass-type material. The 7D II should come with a mag-alloy body like the 7D has now. Remember that the 7D MSRP'ed at 1699.00.

IMHO the 7D2 will be cheaper because Canon, being Canon will cripple it. Also, I would guess that there is a prestige issue involved with the naming of the cameras - 1D, 5D, 6D and 7D.

If Canon specs it the way people want - 1DX AF, 10FPS, 24MP, better sensor, better build, it would end up being a replacement of the 1D-IV which will surely be priced over and above the 5D3 (in the region of 4K+).

I feel that Canon might just dump the 7D series (or make minor upgrades) and come up with a completely new APS-C or APS-H format camera with the 2D/3D/4D "titles" available - The 1D-IV APS-H crowd has been really unhappy when Canon seemingly abandoned the APS-H format - maybe it will be back in a new avatar.

 

[x-vision]

My guess is around $2500, if it has 10 FPS and an AF system matching the 5D III's.

Yes ... but it won't.

Like many others, you are expecting the 7D to be a 1DIV replacement - with top-of-the-line AF, 10fps, etc..
Canon might come up with such a camera ... but this won't be the 7DII.

The whole point of 7D-series is to provide advanced specs at an affordable price.
So, one thing that we can be certain about the 7DII is that the price will remain basically the same.
This in turn means that the 7DII won't be spec'd much differently than the 7D.
There's only so much that Canon can squeeze into a $1700-1800 camera.

Again, the 7DII won't be a 1DIV replacement.
It will be a 7D replacement - with a better sensor, tweaked 19-point AF system, silent shutter, etc..
There's going to be a surprise feature of some sorts - like color-based AF tracking or some WiFi gizmo.
Other than that, though, the 7DII will be a refined version of the 7D.
It won't somehow morph into a 1-series ... at a 4x lower price.

Anyway. Just my opinion. I could be wrong.

 

[-Jarred-]

My guess is around $2500, if it has 10 FPS and an AF system matching the 5D III's.

Yes ... but it won't.

Like many others, you are expecting the 7D to be a 1DIV replacement - with top-of-the-line AF, 10fps, etc..
Canon might come up with such a camera ... but this won't be the 7DII.

The whole point of 7D-series is to provide advanced specs at an affordable price.
So, one thing that we can be certain about the 7DII is that the price will remain basically the same.
This in turn means that the 7DII won't be spec'd much differently than the 7D.
There's only so much that Canon can squeeze into a $1700-1800 camera.

Again, the 7DII won't be a 1DIV replacement.
It will be a 7D replacement - with a better sensor, tweaked 19-point AF system, silent shutter, etc..
There's going to be a surprise feature of some sorts - like color-based AF tracking or some WiFi gizmo.
Other than that, though, the 7DII will be a refined version of the 7D.
It won't somehow morph into a 1-series ... at a 4x lower price.

Anyway. Just my opinion. I could be wrong.

This is my theory too. In fact I don't believe they'll even put the WiFi/GPS features in that the 6D got, purely because they'll have to do away with the built in flash - which to date is a FF only thing.

I reckon it'll be similarly priced to the 6D, maybe slightly cheaper with nothing really surprising feature wise - a modest increase in processing, MP count, AF and fps. Perhaps dual card slots.

Happy to be wrong in terms of the specs, would put it out of my pricerange which would be disappointing though.

 

[V8Beast]

What, no 5D4 yet ;D? What a bunch of slackers.

 

[Chosenbydestiny]

The 7DII will be cheaper than the 6D. That's for sure ...

... This message is needed to assert the premium-ness of FF; without it, it's hard to charge a (hefty) premium for FF.

The 6D is nothing but a FF Rebel (entry level camera), while the 7D is a semi-pro camera several steps removed from a Rebel. I'm sure that there are many people who want/need an APS-C camera, like birders, who will pay extra to get what they want/need.

Like I've said before, it's nowhere close to a rebel. They'd have to take away the ergonomics, the magnesium body parts that it does have, the top LCD screen, the thumb wheel, adjustable kelvin, AFMA, etc etc. If you've owned a 7D before, it feels very very similar in size and weight. The button layout is more like the 60D, quality of the photos is closer to 5D mark III, and the AF is closer to the 5D mark II. The only ONE feature that it takes from a rebel series is the 1/4000th sec shutter speed, and that is ALL. You'd also have to throw a POS built-in flash to throw it below the pro level. Every other feature is brand new like the way the zoom button works, wifi, and gps. Entry level FF makes more sense as you can see it as a stripped down base model luxury car. But it's very far up from being a rebel.

 

[sanj]

It will, I believe, be for less than the 6D.

Not necessarily, at least not the starting price. Canon's strategy is to use a ridiculously high release price, then wait until all early adopters suckers paid up, then lower the price, wait some again and repeat until the camera body is phased out. And there will be early 7d2 adopters because of the crop factor, €1000 more or less doesn't exactly matter for many people who are able to afford Canon tele primes.

I guess they can also afford the 1DX and wouldn't care about the latest crop cam

$2500ish and $5500ish are still rather different sums of money!

1DX has a LOT less reach than the 7D

1DX is a giant brick

Right

on all

points!

 

[adhocphotographer]

Not regretting getting the 5d mkiii now rather than wait for the 7d mk ii... it will be priced a little above the 6d i think, give people the option ff/specs... just my 2 cent!

 

[M.ST]

Wake up Canon: We will have the 7D Mark II now and not in in a few month.

While the Canon are dreaming from Hollywood (expensive video cameras) Nikon is going to bring a D4X on the market and blow the Canon guys away from the professional sector.

 

[J.R.]

It will, I believe, be for less than the 6D.

Not necessarily, at least not the starting price. Canon's strategy is to use a ridiculously high release price, then wait until all early adopters suckers paid up, then lower the price, wait some again and repeat until the camera body is phased out. And there will be early 7d2 adopters because of the crop factor, €1000 more or less doesn't exactly matter for many people who are able to afford Canon tele primes.

I guess they can also afford the 1DX and wouldn't care about the latest crop cam

$2500ish and $5500ish are still rather different sums of money!

1DX has a LOT less reach than the 7D

1DX is a giant brick

Right

on all

points!

My problem with this hypothesis is that the expectations are for a 1D-IV spec camera for $ 2,500. It is just not going to happen. The 1D-IV spec camera is unlikely to be a 7D2.

I'm expecting only sensor updates to the 7D (maybe 1 stop of DR), WiFi, GPS alongwith minor tweaks on the AF.

 

[J.R.]

Wake up Canon: We will have the 7D Mark II now and not in in a few month.

While the Canon are dreaming from Hollywood (expensive video cameras) Nikon is going to bring a D4X on the market and blow the Canon guys away from the professional sector.

Why can't we keep Nikon out of this?

Nikon was supposedly blowing Canon out of the professional sector with the d800 - didn't happen. Won't happen with the D4X either.

 

[carlosmeldano]

these are just rumors... just check all the rumors from 2012, mostly the same as this: nothing more than speculation... I don't really understand why this is a CR2...

serious rumors will only surface a few days/weeks before releasing the new camera...

 

[Marsu42]

serious rumors will only surface a few days/weeks before releasing the new camera...

A serious rumor imho isn't a rumor anymore - Canon simply is very secretive and never leaks any information on purpose to generate interest or divert attention from the competition (unlike other large companies), a habit that falls in line with them being a candidate for the "most conservative company of the world" award.

 

[carlosmeldano]

A serious rumor imho isn't a rumor anymore - Canon simply is very secretive and never leaks any information on purpose to generate interest or divert attention from the competition (unlike other large companies), a habit that falls in line with them being a candidate for the "most conservative company of the world" award.

I meant that all rumors leaked more than 1-2 weeks before camera release couldn't be taken seriously.

 

[sanj]

these are just rumors... just check all the rumors from 2012, mostly the same as this: nothing more than speculation... I don't really understand why this is a CR2...

serious rumors will only surface a few days/weeks before releasing the new camera...

my point too!

 

[Sith Zombie]

I wonder what Nikon's roadmap is and how their competitive launch will compare to Canon's...

I'm guessing they're competitive will be.... actually competitive.

 

[dlleno]

these are just rumors... just check all the rumors from 2012, mostly the same as this: nothing more than speculation... I don't really understand why this is a CR2...

serious rumors will only surface a few days/weeks before releasing the new camera...

yea its a CR2 because the source is known, not because the known source has guarenteed insider information

 

[dlleno]

... If Canon wants to squeeze money out of a top-of-the-line APS-C camera, my uneducated guess is that it would come in slightly under $2k. I would put the Vegas over/under at $1,899.

Dave

which is, at this moment, what one can get a 6D for today via amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/Canon-20-2-Digital-Camera-3-0-Inch/dp/B009B0MZ8U

 

[dlleno]

I'm not saying the 7D2 is getting two DIGIC chips or the 1DX's dedicated metering system, but I think the AF will be top of the line. It's an action camera, so it needs great AF and they happen to have one ready to go. Further, it will commonize the user experience for shooters who bounce between FF and APS-C bodies.
- A

7D already has two DIGICs, but no third one dedicated to metering as in the 1DX

 

[J.R.]

I'm not saying the 7D2 is getting two DIGIC chips or the 1DX's dedicated metering system, but I think the AF will be top of the line. It's an action camera, so it needs great AF and they happen to have one ready to go. Further, it will commonize the user experience for shooters who bounce between FF and APS-C bodies.
- A

7D already has two DIGICs, but no third one dedicated to metering as in the 1DX

+1

Just to provide more completeness ... the 7D sports DUAL DIGIC-4s as opposed to DUAL DIGIC-5+ processors (for sensor) and one DIGIC 4 processor dedicated exclusively for metering in the 1DX.

 

[ahsanford]

I'm not saying the 7D2 is getting two DIGIC chips or the 1DX's dedicated metering system, but I think the AF will be top of the line. It's an action camera, so it needs great AF and they happen to have one ready to go. Further, it will commonize the user experience for shooters who bounce between FF and APS-C bodies.
- A

7D already has two DIGICs, but no third one dedicated to metering as in the 1DX

I stand corrected. Thanks.

Metering has always been a knowledge gap for me. I didn't even know that spot metering only works on the center AF point for all bodies (except for 1-series) until this past summer. I was spot metering off-center AF point faces in backlit situations only to get dark silhouettes, ha.

I'd give vital organs for that at-AF-point spot metering, but I understand that is one of many things the 1DX's dedicated metering chip does.

- A