Crazy... go Nikon?
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Depends with which gear you feel comfortable.
I like the Colani- design of the bodys since the old T90.
And the "better" sensor: panta rei.
I like the Colani- design of the bodys since the old T90.
And the "better" sensor: panta rei.
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goodplanet said:Now that's where I see the problem with many folks on canon or nikon side. If someone says something good about Nikon on Canon forum, then, suddenly "trolls are starting to appear from the woods" and smell of sarcasm follows. don't let bias rule you. be simple. CR is posting new Nikon releases too - does this mean there's something fishy here?
Canon-F1 said:can a mod please check the IP´s of all these one-post-posters poping up here lately?
it kind of struck me that there are so many new users here who have nothing to tell beside how great nikon is. :
i smell a troll....
i have said my part of bad things about canon. your barking at the wrong tree.
it´s the number of "one post poster" lately that make me suspicious.
seems like many new users (or maybe just on or two under different names) just register on a canon forum to praise nikon. :
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Bruce Photography
Landscapes, 5DX,7D,60D,EOSM,D800/E,D810,D7100
charlesa said:
For me it is working. I now have both a D800 and the D800E and I do prefer the D800E. I'm mostly a seascape and landscape photographer and you are right about the Nikon 14-24. It is a really great lens.
Now for the bad news. Perhaps I have a bad copy but I'm preparing to send my 24 tilt-shift lens for modification and repair (Nikon does not allow for tilting and shifting in the same axis unless you send it back for repair). The repair part is that I have an area on the left side of the frame (about 10-15) that is not as sharp as the right side and it never gets focused. I really miss my 17 and 24 Canon TSE lenses because of their ability to rotate tilt and shift into the same axis. Just great lenses but with the 14-24 and the 36 MP of the Nikon D800E just trumps it. And yes I have done the landscape test with both cameras on a bar shooting at the same time. The extra detail on the Nikon is a kick!
I'm keeping my Canon gear for now but I'm not using it very often. I'm waiting for Canon to pay attention once again to still landscape photography. I'm taking delivery on my 24mp D7100 crop camera for birding rather than waiting for the firmware to hopefully help my poor 7D 18mp crop camera. Where is Canon? They promised firmware for this camera last fall. It is now spring and they can't even get firmware to us.
For me the bottom line is this. You have to shoot with whatever best tech is available at the time. I have decided to go with both realizing that I will never be able to predict which camp will have the best products at the time that I need them. I can only tell you that using Nikon for the first time has opened my eyes to some better ways (like CLS lighting) that I was not even aware of before. What a treat!
Why am I also on this forum? This is Canon Rumors. I want to hear some Good Rumors of NEW Canon cameras. Nikon Rumors is too full of actual new Nikon Cameras and lenses being announced and then delivered. Even the manuals were available for the D7100 the day after the D7100 started shipping as well as the Camera Raw version for the new camera. What a treat!
I hope that Canon Rumors will once again be talking about announcements for a large MP Canon camera, actual delivery dates (maybe a month or two later), and new lenses that are affordable (like under 10k for a supertele like the 500mm mk2).
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I am having similar thoughts. Thinking about a d800 for landscapes and long exposures. I think I need a second body to expand the functionality and to offer duplication for backup. I find it cumbersome when i am spending hours at a great landscape site and I have to wait on average between 5-10 mins between exposures and I dont have a second walk around body. I think the 5D3 is superior to the d800 in practical terms although the d800 is superior on paper and could have been a better camera had it not been for some quirks, bugs and quality issues. To have both canon and nikon gear I would have to have some duplication like maybe a few gp zooms and higher quality lenses in areas where the nikon shines - like with the wide zoom etc.
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Bruce Photography
Landscapes, 5DX,7D,60D,EOSM,D800/E,D810,D7100
Wilmark said:
I would suggest looking at the E model. The extra resolution is there if you are interested. I have both cameras and I have not experienced any "quirks, bugs and quality issues." What I have seen is that some lenses seem to need more AF tuning than I would like to see. Other than that I am not aware of any quirks or bugs.
My working guess is that once you increase your resolution, the sharpness in looking at depth of field becomes very noticeable where before it was all somewhat a nice "blur" but just not as noticeable. I notice depth of field now on grass where at wide open I can really see where the camera is focused.
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I have a few different brands of cameras, but only one brand of DSLR, canon. For what i do, with flashes, and quickly swapping between cameras, i would never consider using two differing brands. to much confusion. Ideally i would have two of the same body, but i just couldn't justify it. But if thats not the way you work, i really don't see any reason not to run two cameras if that would better fit your needs.
honestly though, these jumping ship things because of a 36mp sensor. i mean, so nikon currently offers up a camera with a 50% higher mp count than canon. how did nikon users feel all those years when canon shooters routinely had 2x more megapickles?
honestly though, these jumping ship things because of a 36mp sensor. i mean, so nikon currently offers up a camera with a 50% higher mp count than canon. how did nikon users feel all those years when canon shooters routinely had 2x more megapickles?
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Bruce Photography
Landscapes, 5DX,7D,60D,EOSM,D800/E,D810,D7100
Probably much like some Canon shooters do today. This comment is not meant for fast shooters like action and sports. Maybe Canon wins there -- I'm not in that type of photography so I don't know.risc32 said:
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risc32 said:
The OP is not talking about jumping ship but to take the forbidden route - be in both markets. And i can see the justification. For wide angle and landscape nikon is clearly ahead both the body and the glass. Personally I much prefer to chose a second body that would give me BOTH duplication AND expanded capability. The down side - at least half of you r glass wont work on one of your bodies - so you will have to have some duplication. I don't see the problem. Duplication is really a minor issue - cameras are very reliable and you will hardly ever need duplication. As no ONE camera will be best for every type of photography. Buying two identical bodies defeats this. Now there are photogs that don't care to fiddle nor learn about the gear - but clearly these are in the minority especially at a site like this. Personally I don't see a problem with learning to use the layouts and ergonomics of either. I have met old school photogs that insist that they wont bother to learn lightroom and they are great photogs, but I think they are mistaken - I enjoy learning new stuff.
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My main gear of choice is 5D MK III & a few L lenses (as listed below) ... but the camera I carry everyday/everywhere is Nikon D7000 & 18-300 VR (this purely for convenience sake). For me "playing both systems" does make sense, it gives me flexibility and a great deal of convenience. Sometime within the next 10 months or so I plan on getting the Nikkor 14-24mm lens and am saving money towards it ... if along the way I see a good deal on a refurbished D800 I would most likely get it. Meanwhile, I plan on selling the D7000, before July 2013, and get the D7100. For overall features I prefer the Canon "ecosystem" but I like the Nikon DSLR's for their awesome features but am not a fan of Nikkor lenses (with the exception of 14-24 & 18-300).charlesa said:
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The D800E is very tempting right now. For one thing I like competition, and it'll be nice to try both systems, and the D800E does what I want.
Nikon glass does seem to be the downside, it seems like they don't pay much attention to CA, or corner sharpness (or sharpness wide open... Ok I just think they make terrible lenses, but that's just me), so I'm only interested in a couple of their lenses.
On the other hand, I don't have a lot of faith in Canon to deliver a high MP sensor at a reasonable price in reasonable time frame (not that I blame them, after years of people screaming to stop the megapixel race we're lucky the 5D3 isn't still 12MP). If someone could guarantee that come march 2014 I could pick up a 40+ MP canon for $3K, I would wait, but given the way Canon seems to market things I have doubts about that happening.
Nikon glass does seem to be the downside, it seems like they don't pay much attention to CA, or corner sharpness (or sharpness wide open... Ok I just think they make terrible lenses, but that's just me), so I'm only interested in a couple of their lenses.
On the other hand, I don't have a lot of faith in Canon to deliver a high MP sensor at a reasonable price in reasonable time frame (not that I blame them, after years of people screaming to stop the megapixel race we're lucky the 5D3 isn't still 12MP). If someone could guarantee that come march 2014 I could pick up a 40+ MP canon for $3K, I would wait, but given the way Canon seems to market things I have doubts about that happening.
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DO IT, no regrets!
I LUV my D800/E!
Sold off most of my under-performing Canon gear while still worth something and shoot mainly Nikon and Pentax now.
Still keeping a good pile of Canon glass and older bodies for now, hoping a 7D2 will be worth the wait and still considering a 6D when the price drops more.
Also, with a decent adapter, all those Nikon lenses can be mounted on a Canon and used manually, not a problem when shooting landscape or still life.
I LUV my D800/E!
Sold off most of my under-performing Canon gear while still worth something and shoot mainly Nikon and Pentax now.
Still keeping a good pile of Canon glass and older bodies for now, hoping a 7D2 will be worth the wait and still considering a 6D when the price drops more.
Also, with a decent adapter, all those Nikon lenses can be mounted on a Canon and used manually, not a problem when shooting landscape or still life.
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Great! This thread has now become, as expected, a venue for Nikon fanboys to ...well so as not to be censored, I will choose my words gently...a venue for nikon fanboys to ...er... "pleasure themselves". 
Canon is the industry leader in lenses, period...when one considers the entire spectrum of Canon lenses across a wide range of focal lengths they hold an enviable market position.
One or two lenses by the competition that out performs Canon will not sway me or most sane folk.
Get a room and go enjoy your ultra wide zoom... better yet, build a shrine with the nikon 14-24...that should make up for all the rest of the lenses Canon excels at.
Canon is the industry leader in lenses, period...when one considers the entire spectrum of Canon lenses across a wide range of focal lengths they hold an enviable market position.
One or two lenses by the competition that out performs Canon will not sway me or most sane folk.
Get a room and go enjoy your ultra wide zoom... better yet, build a shrine with the nikon 14-24...that should make up for all the rest of the lenses Canon excels at.
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RS2021 said:Great! This thread has now become, as expected, a venue for Nikon fanboys to ...well so as not to be censored, I will choose my words gently...a venue for nikon fanboys to ...er... "pleasure themselves".
Canon is the industry leader in lenses, period...when one considers the entire spectrum of Canon lenses across a wide range of focal lengths they hold an enviable market position.
One or two lenses by the competition that out performs Canon will not sway me or most sane folk.
Get a room and go enjoy your ultra wide zoom... better yet, build a shrine with the nikon 14-24...that should make up for all the rest of the lenses Canon excels at.
So what about the Canon Fanboys who jump on this thread and choose to misinterpret the OP's idea to enjoy the best of both to mean jumping ship?
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ragmanjin
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charlesa said:
Whether you're mostly looking to landscapes or otherwise, I'm personally very disappointed with Nikon glass. Even with the D800E, it's too much resolution for a little sensor in the first place so it's noisy as all hell at anything above ISO 200, and the sub-par Nikon lenses rob much of the details. If you're looking for pixel-level quality for upscale-ability, wide dynamic range out of camera and a massive selection of the best glass in the history of photography, I would highly recommend looking into the Phase One/Mamiya medium format cameras. They've been working with 40MP sensors since 2005 or 2006; their newest backs range from 60-80MP. All of the sensors are upgradeable independent of the body and lenses, every Mamiya lens since the beginning of their 645 mount works perfectly with the digital system and the Phase One digital backs don't only "cancel out" the low-pass filter as in the D800E, they omit it altogether. Since I picked up the P45+ back and a handful of Schneider lenses to go with my old film/digital 645AFD body and Mamiya lenses, I've got the whole range covered from super-wide to telephoto. We tested my assistant's D800 (36mp) against the P45+ (39mp, flagship model from 2007) and the difference in the level of detail, smooth gradation and lack of noise is brutally in favour of the Phase system. Plus it does hour-long exposures with zero noise, as does their newest 60MP back.
Chances are you can find a used Mamiya 645 body on eBay for less than $1000, and if you can't find a used Mamiya/Leaf/Phase back at a decent price, most — if not all — medium format dealers (Vistek here in Canada, B&H/Adorama/etc. in the U.S.) allow leasing of new or used backs and lenses at pretty reasonable prices.
I think I should probably mention that I started my photography business with a Canon Rebel. I still come back to Canon Rumors almost every day, waiting for the day they announce something actually new — be it a higher-res FF or a AA-filter-less APS-C to actually get the most out of those tired, red 18mp sensors. But I ended up selling off all my digital Canon gear last year and now shoot Phase and Pentax almost exclusively (though one of my main 35mm film cameras is still a Canon). Here's hoping they've taken note of what Pentax, Fuji, Nikon and the others are doing and make a move to finally up their own game once again.
Best of luck, Charlesa.
-Raj
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