Crazy... go Nikon?

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bdunbar79 said:
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privatebydesign said:
I don't understand how somebody can claim to not post their best work on their retail website? I fully understand not posting your work in forums, I only post test shots and snaps that illustrate a particular point, but to claim you are better than your retail website sounds a bit of a stretch.
cuz, I have a job, a family, and a life.
I don't have time to push my web site or market myself harder right now
nor spend hours/day here

Really? But you do have time to argue stupid and meaningless, and unfounded points on a rumors website? Oh the irony.

Fortunately I don't need 14 stops of DR because for the most part, I know what I'm doing. Not always, but for the most part. And to stupidly assign blown/clipped highlights to Canon cameras. You have time for that too. If you have trouble with highlights and shadows, they offer photography courses. I suppose though, those with Nikon cameras don't need photography courses because the sensor allows them to do everything exactly correctly, whereas with Canon you don't have this luxury. With your busy life though, you probably wouldn't have time for any of that either.

Good job.

What can I tell you , I feel compelled to teach and recalcitrant students are so challenging. ;)
 
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RLPhoto said:
Ahem, my samples have subject matter which you obviously discount. Which none of your sample's have.
I'm not seein' any such merit over mine in these examples, and not that it matters.
The interesting point is they were shot with Canon bodies. I exposed mine to render the incredible sunset color gradient that evening and yours...
Well, they just sit there. Artistically boring, but they might make good stock images where that doesn't matter.
Do you think you could have exposed and processed any of them differently to make a more compelling image?
I do, despite the Canon limitations on the sunset shot.
 
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Aglet said:
RLPhoto said:
Ahem, my samples have subject matter which you obviously discount. Which none of your sample's have.
I'm not seein' any such merit over mine in these examples, and not that it matters.
The interesting point is they were shot with Canon bodies. I exposed mine to render the incredible sunset color gradient that evening and yours...
Well, they just sit there. Artistically boring, but they might make good stock images where that doesn't matter.
Do you think you could have exposed and processed any of them differently to make a more compelling image?
I do, despite the Canon limitations on the sunset shot.



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privatebydesign said:
I don't understand how somebody can claim to not post their best work on their retail website? I fully understand not posting your work in forums, I only post test shots and snaps that illustrate a particular point, but to claim you are better than your retail website sounds a bit of a stretch.


Just out of curiosity; why not ? As long as the files are very small.
 
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Aglet said:
RLPhoto said:
Ahem, my samples have subject matter which you obviously discount. Which none of your sample's have.
I'm not seein' any such merit over mine in these examples, and not that it matters.
The interesting point is they were shot with Canon bodies. I exposed mine to render the incredible sunset color gradient that evening and yours...
Well, they just sit there. Artistically boring, but they might make good stock images where that doesn't matter.
Do you think you could have exposed and processed any of them differently to make a more compelling image?
I do, despite the Canon limitations on the sunset shot.

This is not the place where I put my best work and yes, these shots are just stock photos. My best work is reserved for my website and my portfolio albums.

Any 8 year old can underexpose a sunset but what I meant by subject matter is I have to expose for a foreground element and the bright sky background element at the same time. Which is relevant to you saying how terrible the DR is on canon cameras, which I'm replying with photos that say your over blowing the topic. IE: a backlit situation, where your photos only have to expose for the sunset, I have to expose for both.
 
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At the very outset I offer my apologies for wading into this rather heated discussion. This is a shot I took with the 6D. Please let me know how a Nikon camera would have helped with this.

I'm just a hobbyist and humble student of photography ... HELP!
 

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J.R. said:
At the very outset I offer my apologies for wading into this rather heated discussion. This is a shot I took with the 6D. Please let me know how a Nikon camera would have helped with this.

I'm just a hobbyist and humble student of photography ... HELP!

You would have details on the trees.
 
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J.R. said:
At the very outset I offer my apologies for wading into this rather heated discussion. This is a shot I took with the 6D. Please let me know how a Nikon camera would have helped with this.

I'm just a hobbyist and humble student of photography ... HELP!


You haven't played fair: you're supposed to underexposed by at least four stops, then pull your shadows up to equal the highlights, then post a 200% view and complain about the noise. ;D


P.S, you may know how to expose but you're horizon's off, a Nikon would have corrected this.
Exposing correctly b*****ks the whole thing up and takes the fun out of it.
 
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ankorwatt said:
Help?
Help is when you have compared 2 systems as here, and you can se the pattern noise in Canons sensors compared to Sonys sensors in Nikon with out any pattern noise= 14 stops DR compared to 11 with pattern noise
In others words, it depends how you are developing the pictures and what you want to show from the shadows up to high lights
or you could pop a flash for fill, which with the 600EX RT would have fired, but the Nikon SB910 with CLS wouldn't due to the sunlight.
Sensors : Nikon 1
Canon 0

Flash:
Canon 1
Nikon 0.

It's more than a sensor
 
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privatebydesign said:
In manual flash and manual camera both systems could produce superb casual looking publishable images. But you need a shitload of skill and experience to pull that stuff off well.
no argument from me. IMHO people need to stop whining and get learning.
No camera is perfect.
Deal with it, improve your skills to get around any limitations and let nothing hold you back.
I doubt all the greats spent all their time dissing on their cameras, I bet they spent their time improving themselves
 
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Thanks for the replies -

@ankorwatt - Thanks ... I see your point with the FPN and it is just plain bad. BTW, how many stops were you trying to raise the shadows?

@ Ewinter - Thanks and I wholeheartedly agree ... but it is good to know the limits of what your camera can or cannot do so that one can think of a workaround to the limitations

@ pbd - Thanks. I usually try exposing optimally for the shadow areas and bring down the highlights in post - which is what I did here. and you are right - I really didn't want a low contrast image. I wonder though why Canon's highlight recovery isn't considered in these DR discussions.

BTW, I feel nothing beats the good old GND filters for landscapes.
 
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J.R. said:
At the very outset I offer my apologies for wading into this rather heated discussion. This is a shot I took with the 6D. Please let me know how a Nikon camera would have helped with this.

I'm just a hobbyist and humble student of photography ... HELP!
I like your shot and glad you got a 6D instead of going the cheap route with a 5d2.
the 6d has improved significantly in areas where some of us cursed the 5d2 as PoS.
the shot, even if it was level in reality (likely not?) would likely appear a little better with some rotation applied to provide a more natural symmetry and sense of vertical balance.
tho many of us are horizonally-challenged despite the best efforts of built in artificial horizons. I need Pentax's built in auto-level sensor rotation. :)
 
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ankorwatt said:
J.R. said:
At the very outset I offer my apologies for wading into this rather heated discussion. This is a shot I took with the 6D. Please let me know how a Nikon camera would have helped with this.

I'm just a hobbyist and humble student of photography ... HELP!
Help?
Help is when you have compared 2 systems as here, and you can se the pattern noise in Canons sensors compared to Sonys sensors in Nikon with out any pattern noise= 14 stops DR compared to 11 with pattern noise
In others words, it depends how you are developing the pictures and what you want to show from the shadows up to high lights
Or you could have exposed them differently to start with. If you take a picture into the setting sun, are you sure you are after the details in the ladies' backs? Personally, I would see that more as a silhouette shot.
 
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Hobby Shooter said:
ankorwatt said:
J.R. said:
At the very outset I offer my apologies for wading into this rather heated discussion. This is a shot I took with the 6D. Please let me know how a Nikon camera would have helped with this.

I'm just a hobbyist and humble student of photography ... HELP!
Help?
Help is when you have compared 2 systems as here, and you can se the pattern noise in Canons sensors compared to Sonys sensors in Nikon with out any pattern noise= 14 stops DR compared to 11 with pattern noise
In others words, it depends how you are developing the pictures and what you want to show from the shadows up to high lights
Or you could have exposed them differently to start with. If you take a picture into the setting sun, are you sure you are after the details in the ladies' backs? Personally, I would see that more as a silhouette shot.

+1 ... however, IMHO a GND filter would have gone a long way in improving the shot
 
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J.R. said:
At the very outset I offer my apologies for wading into this rather heated discussion. This is a shot I took with the 6D. Please let me know how a Nikon camera would have helped with this.

I'm just a hobbyist and humble student of photography ... HELP!

A nikon devotee will tell you otherwise and a photographer will say it looks fine.
 
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ankorwatt said:
RLPhoto said:
J.R. said:
At the very outset I offer my apologies for wading into this rather heated discussion. This is a shot I took with the 6D. Please let me know how a Nikon camera would have helped with this.

I'm just a hobbyist and humble student of photography ... HELP!

A nikon devotee will tell you otherwise and a photographer will say it looks fine.

or one with out knowleadge and not have done any real comparisons by them self

How about some real photos to prove me otherwise?
 
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ankorwatt said:
there are many, look and you will find, if you still denial the difference between 14 stops of DR and 11 with pattern noise, it is time for you to use a d800, d7000 and do you own comparison.

Viewing your attachment's all you've ever posted is just test charts. Quite disappointing, how can I ever take your "Photography" advise seriously?
 
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ankorwatt said:
RLPhoto said:
ankorwatt said:
there are many, look and you will find, if you still denial the difference between 14 stops of DR and 11 with pattern noise, it is time for you to use a d800, d7000 and do you own comparison.

Viewing your attachment's all you've ever posted is just test charts. Quite disappointing, how can I ever take your "Photography" advise seriously?

still problems , or denialing them, se earlier answer

It seems your in denial. You seem to believe your a photographer, and I cannot ascertain that from information I've been given.
 
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ankorwatt said:
RLPhoto said:
ankorwatt said:
RLPhoto said:
ankorwatt said:
there are many, look and you will find, if you still denial the difference between 14 stops of DR and 11 with pattern noise, it is time for you to use a d800, d7000 and do you own comparison.

Viewing your attachment's all you've ever posted is just test charts. Quite disappointing, how can I ever take your "Photography" advise seriously?

still problems , or denialing them, se earlier answer

It seems your in denial. You seem to believe your a photographer, and I cannot ascertain that from information I've been given.

You are a funny man

My humor can only go so far.
 
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