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I'm sure this was just an oversight, but referring to Ukraine as "the" Ukraine is offensive. It implies that Ukraine is simply a region, rather than an independent country. It may seem like an insignificant thing, but it goes to the heart of the current situation. Many Americans don't understand this and it is always good to point out, especially now, when Putin has gone to war to try to deny Ukraine's status as an independent country rather than simply part of greater Russia.
Actually, no. The United States is referred to in that way. Many times I read, and hear people saying the Ukraine. It’s a simple error. Please don’t make too much out of it.
 
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It's a real hornets' nest and people get very angry on both sides as it becomes a proxy for political arguments. But I decided to write as I hate seeing a man made to feel bad and apologise when he did nothing wrong - saying "the Ukraine" in English is very normal.
The United States is referred to in that way. Many times I read, and hear people saying the Ukraine. It’s a simple error. Please don’t make too much out of it.
Irregardless its true that alot of native english speakurs say and rite stuff that ain't propur and thunk its just honkey dorey.

The point is, if a country (or an individual, for that matter) specifically asks to be referred to in a certain way (as the government of Ukraine did in 1993), it's disrespectful to refuse to honor that request.

The United States of America and the United Kingdom are referred to with a definite article ('the') because they are compound nouns with adjectives. Ukraine is not. Ignorance is the natural excuse of the ignorant.
 
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I'm by no means a Trump guy, but what he was saying is that the Free World was going to stand by and watch this happen, while consoling their guilt by talking about hefty sanctions. So far it appears he's correct.

People worried about WW3 breaking out over this weren't all worried about US vs. Russia in Ukraine. Rather, the unchecked aggression setting the tone that Europe and the US are so adverse to fighting that they will do nothing but largely ineffective economic moves (Russia has enough allies who won't honor the sanctions, and is well practiced at letting its people starve and/or working them for no pay - its the socialist state model). That sets the stage for other aggressors to do the same. For example: If you have loved ones in Taiwan right now, ask them to leave. As actions like those prop up, suddenly there is fighting around the world. And eventually the world powers can't ignore it. And then you have WW3.
Actually, Trump said what I said he said, and a number of his apologists are having difficulties explaining away his statements. He wanted to withdraw the USA from NATO, but was dissuaded from doing so. To him, everything is a transaction. I give you money, and you give me something. The sanctions are already having a major effect on Russia's economy, and will have a larger effect ongoing. Already we’re finding that while previous buys of Russian oil are going through, new purchases are not being made. As that’s the major income source of Russia, that will have a massive effect. They’re being cut off from technology, their major banks are out of SWIFT, their ships and planes are being denied access. Their exports are already drying up.

the only significant ally they have now is China, which has publicly begun to step back from the broad cooperative agreements they made right before the war, where Putin, in his meeting with XI, failed to mention his intention to invade. China is rightfully angered. We’ll see what happens. India, which still has many weapons systems from Russia, is also on the fence about this but is moving to eliminate those, now older systems. Hungary, which was a concern, because of Orban’s friendship with Putin, has come down solidly with the West on this.

what other major allies does he have? And does it matter? Economists are saying that these sanctions can destroy Russia’s economy if they aren’t ended quickly. That doesn’t sound like “two dollars of sanctions”.
 
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The socialist state model is what we have in the western Europe and the UK. Russia is more akin to the model in the USA, except even Russia has health care and a social net. In terms of leadership you vote for a dictator in Russia or a shorter term dictator in the USA.
No. Western Europe is not socialist. Most people don’t understand political and economic terms. For example, the states we call communist, are actually socialist. The ruling parties are called communist, but even they aren’t communist. We have socialist parties in Europe, but the governments and countries themselves aren’t socialist. They are capitalist. A socialist state has all means of major production and distribution owned by the state. That’s not the case in Europe.
 
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Not going to happen. Russia has access to many of the materials needed for the modern world and the world will turn a blind eye to Russia going back to its old borders as soon as there is another chip shortage or some company works out they can't make EV batteries. The Ukraine is rather rich below the surface and companies will want access to those riches.
Not really. Most of the world doesn’t consider this invasion of a European country by another European country to be something they can just file away, and forget. It’s understood from Putin’s own statements over the years that he regards the modern Russian borders as not reflective of the old Russian empire, which was even bigger than that of the USSR. While he obviously can’t rebuild that, he want to receive as much as he can.

this is understood, and while the annexation of the Crimea went quickly and relatively bloodlessly, this has been very different, apparently, to his shock. It’s a major way, the largest in Europe since WWII. Other states bordering Russia are now scrambling to join NATO, even though, years ago, after the breakup, Putin forbade it. We know why now, don’t we?

these very heavy sanctions will remain in place. They are already beginning to cripple his economy. This is another thing he didn’t expect. He believed that the west souls scrabble around, not agreeing on what to do, but that didn’t happen. Even Switzerlan,m for the first time, joined the sanctions with very strong language.

look, for anyone who doesn’t understand this, we can’t engage in a shooting was with Russia. That would simply be too dangerous. People close to Putin said that he meant what he said about retaliating, possibly with nuclear weapons. We clearly don’t want that.
 
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No. Western Europe is not socialist. Most people don’t understand political and economic terms. For example, the states we call communist, are actually socialist. The ruling parties are called communist, but even they aren’t communist. We have socialist parties in Europe, but the governments and countries themselves aren’t socialist. They are capitalist. A socialist state has all means of major production and distribution owned by the state. That’s not the case in Europe.
Communism has all everything owned by the state and usually small city states that then trade with each other. Industry and government is owned and run by the people for the people.

Socialism is a step back from that where you still have industry and usually a bigger government with people having less say.

Capitalism is where you end up with when everything is stripped out and you are left with a society run purely for money with a small government that can be bought and everything has a price.

Western Europe follows socialism and capitalism in somewhat balance with some countries wanting to push more towards communism with things like universal basic income, more local government, and a more mechanised society.

Russia isn't too different to the rest of western Europe in that aspect.

As for political stuff: As far as the USA is concerned communism and socialism is bad and those people must have evil dictators in charge and any hint of socialism or communism making its way in to the USA would be the end of the USA as people might actually be able to afford education and health... especially if it was paid for by the state like developed nations.
 
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Irregardless its true that alot of native english speakurs say and rite stuff that ain't propur and thunk its just honkey dorey.

The point is, if a country (or an individual, for that matter) specifically asks to be referred to in a certain way (as the government of Ukraine did in 1993), it's disrespectful to refuse to honor that request.

The United States of America and the United Kingdom are referred to with a definite article ('the') because they are compound nouns with adjectives. Ukraine is not. Ignorance is the natural excuse of the ignorant.
It’s not disrespectful when people don’t know it. Most people can’t tell you what the capital city is in their own state.

It’s ignorance, not disrespect. Disrespect is an intentional act. At least, most people saying “the Ukraine” don’t realize it’s in error. I didn’t realize it until several years ago myself. I certainly wasn’t being disrespectful until I did.

don’t pretend that you are the arbitrator if any of this.
 
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Not really. Most of the world doesn’t consider this invasion of a European country by another European country to be something they can just file away, and forget. It’s understood from Putin’s own statements over the years that he regards the modern Russian borders as not reflective of the old Russian empire, which was even bigger than that of the USSR. While he obviously can’t rebuild that, he want to receive as much as he can.

this is understood, and while the annexation of the Crimea went quickly and relatively bloodlessly, this has been very different, apparently, to his shock. It’s a major way, the largest in Europe since WWII. Other states bordering Russia are now scrambling to join NATO, even though, years ago, after the breakup, Putin forbade it. We know why now, don’t we?

these very heavy sanctions will remain in place. They are already beginning to cripple his economy. This is another thing he didn’t expect. He believed that the west souls scrabble around, not agreeing on what to do, but that didn’t happen. Even Switzerlan,m for the first time, joined the sanctions with very strong language.

look, for anyone who doesn’t understand this, we can’t engage in a shooting was with Russia. That would simply be too dangerous. People close to Putin said that he meant what he said about retaliating, possibly with nuclear weapons. We clearly don’t want that.
The world will fall into line to get access to the resources that man has or they'll be a Third World War. Crippling Germany's economy was also a fantastic idea that got us World War Two. Putin likely just found out he has cancer or something so if he destroys the world it won't affect him, or more likely he truly believes that the old borders of Russia before and during the USSR should be re-extablished.

Eventually if he wins or not in the Ukraine we'll have a situation were you still need to do business with Russia as they have things we need and their ally is China that also has things we need... so we'll buy it via proxy with China.
 
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Communism has all everything owned by the state and usually small city states that then trade with each other. Industry and government is owned and run by the people for the people.

Socialism is a step back from that where you still have industry and usually a bigger government with people having less say.

Capitalism is where you end up with when everything is stripped out and you are left with a society run purely for money with a small government that can be bought and everything has a price.

Western Europe follows socialism and capitalism in somewhat balance with some countries wanting to push more towards communism with things like universal basic income, more local government, and a more mechanised society.

Russia isn't too different to the rest of western Europe in that aspect.

As for political stuff: As far as the USA is concerned communism and socialism is bad and those people must have evil dictators in charge and any hint of socialism or communism making its way in to the USA would be the end of the USA as people might actually be able to afford education and health... especially if it was paid for by the state like developed nations.
Communism is a dissolution of the state. Really, you should look this up before making statements that you don’t understand, and aren’t true.
 
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The socialist state model is what we have in the western Europe and the UK. Russia is more akin to the model in the USA, except even Russia has health care and a social net. In terms of leadership you vote for a dictator in Russia or a shorter term dictator in the USA.
USA still has private ownership of property and businesses, while Russia does not. Similarly, employment in Russia is managed by the government, who can fire or force work on anyone at any time. While both populations are heavily controlled by the government, there are many more degrees of freedom in the US system.
Actually, Trump said what I said he said, and a number of his apologists are having difficulties explaining away his statements. He wanted to withdraw the USA from NATO, but was dissuaded from doing so. To him, everything is a transaction. I give you money, and you give me something. The sanctions are already having a major effect on Russia's economy, and will have a larger effect ongoing. Already we’re finding that while previous buys of Russian oil are going through, new purchases are not being made. As that’s the major income source of Russia, that will have a massive effect. They’re being cut off from technology, their major banks are out of SWIFT, their ships and planes are being denied access. Their exports are already drying up.

the only significant ally they have now is China, which has publicly begun to step back from the broad cooperative agreements they made right before the war, where Putin, in his meeting with XI, failed to mention his intention to invade. China is rightfully angered. We’ll see what happens. India, which still has many weapons systems from Russia, is also on the fence about this but is moving to eliminate those, now older systems. Hungary, which was a concern, because of Orban’s friendship with Putin, has come down solidly with the West on this.

what other major allies does he have? And does it matter? Economists are saying that these sanctions can destroy Russia’s economy if they aren’t ended quickly. That doesn’t sound like “two dollars of sanctions”.
Every major political move is money oriented. There is no altruism in modern politics in any country. People just prefer the way certain politicians lie about it vs. how other politicians do. Whether the sanctions will be ineffective in the long run is based on Putin's will - he will force labor, conscript armies, silence the riots with violence, starve his population, indefinitely, until he makes the toll on the 'West' high enough that they back down. He doesn't have to care about the local ramifications the same way a Western leader would.

China may be publicly backing down, but whether they actually are remains to be seen. We know they were very active subverting the Venezuelan sanctions. They sent unflagged or false flagged ships to offload or transload embargoed oil, falsified origin information and facilitated the sale and financial transactions of that crude in various places around the world. Not hard to believe they would do some subverting for Russia, with whom they seem to have a better relationship, and certainly wouldn't mind getting their hooks in to a little further. There is also a lot of underground trade between Russia and the middle east which can also provide a pathway for goods and services to keep the Russians going.

Its just a bad situation no matter how you slice it. Hopefully it doesn't end in the worst possible way.
 
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USA still has private ownership of property and businesses, while Russia does not.
This is not true. I have a few friends in Russia and they very much own their own businesses, homes, and even land. This was not true during communism. Even in China that is supposedly communist you can own a business and land.
 
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Communism is a dissolution of the state. Really, you should look this up before making statements that you don’t understand, and aren’t true.
I would suggest you take your own advice. If you had, you wouldn't be trying to 'correct' strait up fact. I will not argue with you that white is black or the world is flat.
 
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I don't think so. Obama-era sanctions reduced Russian GDP by 35% and even as of two weeks ago, was still 25% below that pre-sanctions peak. The world clearly remembered the Crimean Anschluss and I'm puzzled why you think they'd be so fast to forget these far bigger attacks.
The world has to get back to business with Russia. While it would be lovely for some to cut ties with Russia and/or China that would mean the end of modern society as they have things we need to make microprocessors and even car batteries. It is also why a blind eye is turned when some dictator sends children down a mine for rare earth metals.. we need them.
 
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It’s not disrespectful when people don’t know it. Most people can’t tell you what the capital city is in their own state.

It’s ignorance, not disrespect. Disrespect is an intentional act. At least, most people saying “the Ukraine” don’t realize it’s in error. I didn’t realize it until several years ago myself. I certainly wasn’t being disrespectful until I did.

don’t pretend that you are the arbitrator if any of this.
So if someone posts racial and ethnic slurs without knowing they are doing so, it's perfectly fine with you?

I repeat: ignorance is the natural excuse of the ignorant.
 
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This is not true. I have a few friends in Russia and they very much own their own businesses, homes, and even land. This was not true during communism. Even in China that is supposedly communist you can own a business and land.
I know the Russians at work do not describe it that way. Perhaps is a semantics thing - you 'own' it, but the government can take or redeploy it at any time with no recompense. I know this happened to the personal home of one of them. I'm not sure when I'll see those guys next, but I'll have to ask for clarification.

Similarly, i know for a fact China does the same thing. We had some contacts there who's home was taken with no compensation in order to build a road.


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In between aid to Ukraine and sanctions on Russia, the rest of the world is hardly standing by, and also bears no "guilt" for this situation. It is entirely of Putin's making.

Remember Trump is the guy who literally withheld aid from Ukraine, trying to extort them into providing assistance for his election campaign. That's the amount of care Trump has for what happens to Ukraine.

Trump is also the guy who made some irate comments about Nord Stream 2, yet spent years while his party controlled congress doing nothing about it. Once Democrats took control of the House, and a sanctions law was passed, it gave the administration 60 days to name the companies to sanction. Trump didn't name any such companies until literally the week the pipeline was finished, at which point he finally named a couple of Norwegian construction firms. Why did Trump drag out these sanctions against the pipeline until the pipeline was done? Could just be coincidence. Could be that Trump didn't actually care. Could be that he got some personal benefit (perhaps a subject during his two-hour secret talk with Putin with no Americans present) to make sure sanctions didn't slow it down. Hard to say.
In a way I have to agree with the OP. That war mongering lunatic is right, if the world really wanted to help Ukraine it would be sending troops and establishing a no fly zone. However all the real help would be considered acts of war so instead we are sending food, baby boxes, and the occasional lunatic that will get handed a gun at the border them promptly get lost and die or cause local soldiers to have to look after them.
 
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I know the Russians at work do not describe it that way. Perhaps is a semantics thing - you 'own' it, but the government can take or redeploy it at any time with no recompense. I know this happened to the personal home of one of them. I'm not sure when I'll see those guys next, but I'll have to ask for clarification.

Similarly, i know for a fact China does the same thing. We had some contacts there who's home was taken with no compensation in order to build a road.


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That isn't too different from many other countries. In the UK you can be forced to sell your house/land to the government and it may not be what you think it is valued at. In China you are offered a similar property. In Russia I haven't had anyone report this though one dear friend of mine is rather upset that her husband is now in jail and likely for decades because he was at a no war protest which is a big no-no in many countries during war.
 
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I have no idea what you are talking about.
Japan is not called Japan. Even in Scotland we have towns that where given English names and no one refers to the town by the English name because that is not what the town is called. In the same sense The Ukraine is The borderlands, and if you asked someone in that country they wouldn't likely say they are Ukraine. I certainly don't live in Écosse.
 
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Ironically, though, the Russian govt position is that it's NOT war: they shut down the last private TV and radio stations a couple days ago for referring to it as a "war."
Well it is like when the USA and UK go over to liberate some people of their oil. It isn't a war, it is defeating terrorists and some dictator that we know he has weapons of mass destruction because we still have the receipts of when we sold them to him. To the Russian people they are going to say they are doing much the same and this is just and they are reuniting families and it isn't a war, they are removing nazi terrorists.
 
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