Delays Abound?

[endigo]

I'd feel much more comfortable waiting for the 1Ds mk4 if I knew that it's specs were in line with my requirements.

BINGO! They just want you to buy what is in stock now, otherwise they and their distributors will be stuck with outdated equipment.

 

[endigo]

I'd be ok with a 2013 release for the xxD, that's about when I'll be in the market for one.

I'm still using an XTi. I am looking forward to upgrading to a 5D3 as soon as they arrive... in 2013.

 

[EYEONE]

:-[ gave up on canon . switch to nikon then

Nikon doesn't have any announcements either. I can understand the frustration but just be patient. The 5D3, and new 1D(s) will come at some point. My guess it will be with in a few months of Nikon's announcements anyway.

 

[Chewy734]

It is completely understandable if Canon delays the release of these new bodies another 6 months, imo. However, what's inexcusable is the lack of concrete information from Canon itself. Why can't they tell us what's going on? Ok, so they can't manufacture new products until early-mid next year. But why can't they announce new products before then? I would at least like to see some specifications with the disclaimer "coming soon" if they don't have an expected date of release. Some companies even announce products months ahead of time! Why can't Canon do this?

I guess it's going to be a long 2011 playing the waiting game...

 

[Justin]

The person who floated this rumor should have quit before he/she got to the T4i. Somebody please tell me what the specs of a T4i could possibly be?

There is about a micro-millimeter difference between the T3i and the 60D as it is. Why would Canon go through the expense of developing and marketing a camera that would simply cannibalize sales from the other models without expanding the market one bit?

My sentimonys exarctly.

My hunch is we will not see a T4i without

A) new tech that would only make sense appear in higher end models (canon is a cost conscientious company, they don't make tech and stick it in one camera only)

And B) Some time between the release of the new tech and when it appears in a rebel

Which makes me believe this is all up in the air. No one knows, probably not even canon

Leaves open a real opportunity to whomever gets to market first since the thirst will be high for new tech after such long product cycles.

 

[sublime LightWorks]

See the trouble I have believing any of those days is you have potentially 5 camera bodies being released in 2012, and four of those are major bodies (1D, 1Ds, 5D, 7D).

Canon is not going to do that, earthquake delay or not, they won't stack up 5 major bodies for release in a year. Just imagine if there was a common thread issue that messed them all up, or sales/support was overwhelmed with the deployments.

No, I can't see that happening.

 

[ronderick]

A bit off the topic, but it seems that Canon's (and probably Nikon's) approach reflects the typical response of major Japanese firms when facing an unexpected crisis.

You can probably see shadows of Toyota (don't need to elaborate on this), Tokyo Electric (the power company connected with the nuke fiasco in Japan), and even Sony (over the Playstation network issue) there.

First comes the "we're evaluating the situation" phase, which could probably go on indefinitely until the customers go berserk and demand information. It's only at the point when a huge backlash in public opinion is about to occur do the companies come out and admit that things are really going wrong. Then you get the executives line up in line to take a deep bow.

So I guess we're in the "too late for coverups" stage now, since the prices of the camera body now pretty reflects a de-facto shortage.

Frankly, I think rather than seeing when the new cameras hit the shelf, it would be more practical to see when the price/supply of current camera bodies return to "normal" - if such stage exists.

 

[zerotiu]

you would be crazy to believe this rumour, this is canon trying to keep there sales going just a little bit longer until the new camera's are released. This the simplest form of marketing.
There will be a new 5d mark iii within 3 months. There factories ain't as affected as they're letting on, and with sales been slowing for sometime due to everyone with half brain knowing that there's going to be a new line coming out sooon. This is just a last crack attempt to sell the last stock for those busting photographers who just can't wait any longer. Trust me - even though you don't know me.. wait. If anything, when no-ones buying its going to push them to release the newest model sooner..
Also if you read there website it says the factories affected begun producing in other plants that had room to increase production.

I think this makes sense. This is Canon strategy to clean the stock cameras. I think I'll wait

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

Come on... Canon is above releasing new products now. They just plan on coasting their current line-up until 2015. Then maybe, just maybe.... we'll see a glimpse of the 5d3.

Come on Canon, for us video guys, especially with Sony just killing it with awesome new cameras, you guys are losing quickly. Soon, everyone will have to start jumping ship because they cannon wait any longer for a Moire free camera.

They are in SERIOUS danger of blowing the high quality mini movie camera market to Sony, by milking current line so long and protecting 1 series etc they may protect and milk themselves right out of the market and lose a lot more in the end! That said, at this point they may be stuck because of the earthquake, but that is why they should not have rested in their laurels so much earlier.

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

I fully understand the reason why Canon and others might have to delay previously planned launches. What I do fail to grasp is why they choose to keep everyone guessing. It did not make sense before the disaster and makes even less sense now. Is it a peculiar Japanese trait?

I'd feel much more comfortable waiting for the 1Ds mk4 if I knew that it's specs were in line with my requirements. If they were not, I'd be able to look for alternatives but if OK, then at least I'd know that the wait was worth it.

Ever heard of Osborne PCs? No?
Well that is why Canon won't do that.
(that said it is true that the camera makers tend to be extra hold back)

 

[Chewngum]

Like the iphone 5 beling delayed due to Sony not being able to supply the camera sensor, so too Canon, Nikon etc are being hindered by other manufacturers. If even a single part cannot be properly supplied then the whole production line is halted. Canon has not done anything ground breaking since the 5dmkII other manufacturers are going in leaps and bounds while Canon have just put the annoyingly noisey 7d sensor in the xxd and xxxd lines. There is going to need to be more than one ground breaking spec/quality of the next line from Canon, they've definately had the time to do it.

 

[gene_can_sing]

I'm sort of stuck with Canon because I own some really expensive Canon lenses which I use for Video. With that said, supposedly Birger Engineering is coming out with an electronic EOS adapter for Panasonic video cameras. Says it will be out in late May. If it works, I might have to jump ship. Don't really want to, but Canon is leaving us no choice at this point.

I just can't keep dealing with crazy moire patterns in my video. I really think the earthquake becoming Canons way of just milking their customers. Sony doesn't seem to have a problem with announcing and delivering new Cameras and Nikon is set to release some.

Why not Canon? Why not at least give some specs? Why such secrecy? It's completely bad business at this point to just milk people dry on yesterdays tech.

I think everyone should just NOT buy a camera unless you absolutely have to. That way sales will stall, and it may be the only way for them to release something, since Canon has shown that they only understand money.

 

[J-Man]

But why can't they announce new products before then? I would at least like to see some specifications with the disclaimer "coming soon" if they don't have an expected date of release. Some companies even announce products months ahead of time! Why can't Canon do this?

They could, but when competition is close and product cycles are short, sharing your product plans early gives the competition time to out spec you.


Another possibility is that rather than try and catch up with the shortage of their older models, they could just retool for their new lines and announce them earlier, they may loose in the short term though.

 

[Cicada]

I was at NAB as well as a recent canon workshop. A rep let it slip (unintentionally) a bit about the 5D3. when asked about it privately, he didn't elaborate at all, except for saying "probably not this year".

I've also heard the same things coming from a few other reps.

 

[monst]

Is there any news on G13??

 

[WarStreet]

Sorry to say this, but I have to disagree on most posts here. I can't see anything evil from Canon. Canon release more bodies then the competition. The rebels are updated every year with small improvements while Nikon updates their equivalent every 2 years. Like many, I am waiting for the 5DIII, but as I have already mentioned before here (much before the earthquake) on a 3 year cycle we should expect the camera not earlier then Q4 2011 and can go up to Q2 2012.

Due to the quality of the latest Sony sensors being used on every body out there, together to the fact that we are approaching finite spec limits, I think that body cycle update time will increase.

by finite spec limits, I don't mean technology limits, but specs which can't be improved anymore since they are already at it's maximum (such as a 100% viewfinder) or improvements on specs which are already above most photographer's needs. This is in general, not just related to the 5D series. If the 5DIII will have the expected improvements, the 1Ds series should improve too. This is related to the whole body categories, and the more we approach finite limits, the less the difference between each body category, and hence an expected decrease in price difference too.

So, I consider all this as a normal cycle time, and not a delay, and doubt that the earthquake will have much impact on cameras which are not in production.

 

[Rob]

I know its to late for this now, but I think if Canon knew they where going to take this long with a substantial replacement for the 1ds3 they should have released a "N" version around Q4 09 with the 5d2 sensor (for better ISO ) and the video and the high def lcd and reduced the price a little and it would have kept there flagship a lot fresher looking. I also think Canon should do a mild update with pro bodies half way through there cycle, if its going to be 4 years.

 

[Ivar]

One more argument adding more weight to the delay - PMA 2011 trade show cancelled.

"There are some launches in fall, but the significant ones tend to be in the spring."
Source: http://www.dpreview.com/news/1105/11050410pma2011cancelled.asp

 

[EYEONE]

I still don't understand why everyone is so upset about this. Japan was hit with a earthquake and it had delayed their new camera announcements. Now, it's just smart business not to announce your new products too soon. If you go ahead and tell people that the replacement is coming you end up having your current products competing with products that don't exsist and sales will stall.

You may not like it, but if Canon is not ready to release the 5D3 yet then they are doing what they must but not announcing it.

You may not like it, but announcing a new product without being ready to produce it is just bad business.

 

[motorhead]

Eyeone,

I tend to agree with Rob. While Canon obviously did not know the future when they made the decision to pull the planned 1Ds mk4, it was still a big mistake then and subsequent events have only made matters worse.

Be honest, do you really think Canon have been selling the IDs mk3 in any quantity for the last 2 years? Unless forced to replace a defunct body, everyone with a serious interest in the mk4 has been busy holding their breathe waiting. This cannot make any business sense however you look at it.

No, with or without hindsight, the 1Ds 4 should have been released back when it was originally planned, then Canon would have bought themselves time to redesign the camera from the ground up.