Demand for High Mega Pixel Body vs 60Da
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eeek said:
Possible, but Canon may not have technology to provide a quality high mpx in a cost effective manner. They did prototype a high mpx a couple of years back, but no words on it and whether or not it would be available. May be that project flopped and Canon is scrambling to compete against high mpx coming from Nikon and Sony.
Lets face it, high mpx is in demand, as proven by crazy demand for D800... its demand is almost solely due to its high mpx.
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I agree with you, canon is just not there yet to produce high mega pixel camera, producing a huge sensor and using it for a prodution camera is different thing. if the demand wasnt there medium format wouldnt exist and people wont pay in the range of $50K and canon users wont switch to D800, if canon is smart they wont loose their customers over D800
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Canon is updating their lenses which were already good enough for the current sensors - I do think the new lenses are for upcoming high MP sensors we are going to see. 7D had enough pixel density to outresolve some of the lenses after all...
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Agree, most of existing lenses can resolve high mega pixels. Also, canon gives us 60Da that no one asked for, this camera looks like a gimmick, otherwise this could be just a feature in any camera, add a couple of filter circuits and this is your astro camera
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This isn't an either/or thing, Canon releasing the 60Da has nothing to do with a high megapixel body or their plans for such a camera. It's just a random astrophotography camera they released. They've probably seen the slew of time lapses that have come out in the last year and realized that it's getting more and more popular, so why not release a camera that's actually meant to work with telescopes? People have been using DSLRs with telescopes for a long time, I think it's cool they released one that's actually intended to be used this way.
I had no idea it was coming, but I will be buying one since I'm obsessed with the cosmos.
I had no idea it was coming, but I will be buying one since I'm obsessed with the cosmos.
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Axilrod said:
Cool! Would you know how focusing is carried out when the cam is mounted on a telescope? I am interested in astrophotography but trying to figure out how things work before getting a telescope...
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I think it took much less investment in time and money to just use a different IR filter plus some firmware tweaking to offer the 60Da. Designing a new, high megapixel body would be a much larger investment in time & money (but would sell to a larger market). I think this is similar to Nikon offering the D800 with and without anti-aliasing; requires a small change in the production line and some firmware modification (rather more, I suspect, than the 60Da did).bestimage said:
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poias said:
Where exactly to people get numbers for "demand"? I've searched the web up and down, and I have never once seen any useful, concrete information about exactly what the "demand" is for any Camera, D800, 5D III, 1DX or anything else. I don't think there are such numbers. Without "demand" volumes derived from some kind of careful study that properly tracks D800 and 5D III sales from a number of major retailers...not just one or two like Amazon or B&H (not items manufactured from the manufacturers, as they make and ship without any precise regard to how many might actually sell), no one can really say for sure what the global market demand for these cameras is. Until the companies release official sales numbers, I think its simply hearsay to proclaim the "demand" for the D800 is larger than the "demand" for anything else.
In the Nikon world the D800 is obviously the big baby, (and apparently for a relatively small group of hyperpixelpeepers in the Canon camp who think ISO 100 DR is the end-all be-all of everything in the continuum of photography.) However in the Canon world, which is arguably larger, the 5D III is going to be the big seller. On this forum alone there are dozens and dozens of 5D III owners already, and I can only imagine that in the broader Canon customer base there are far, far more 5D III's than anyone could know about with any concrete certainty.
Personally, I think proclamations of "demand" for any camera at this point is extremely premature, especially with the Olympics right around the corner. I would not be surprised to see D4 and 5D III sales surge the closer we get, especially if Canon doesn't release the 1D X until the day before the Olympics start. The D800, while it certainly has a lot of glitter and gloss with its shiny 36mp sensor...is rather slow from a frame rate perspective, consumes an ungodly amount of memory space, and is in general designed for an entirely different market than your average Olympics photographer. Time will tell, but I don't really see either camera radically outselling the other in the long run.
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Easy: manually, using the normal telescope focusing mechanism. Just point towards a bright star, and use live view if you have it (very useful). Fortunately all celestial objects are located at the same focal distance: infinity. I'm sure you can google up lots of helpful web pages on the topic.well_dunno said:
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I think the most obvious lesson from the previous generation of cameras that both Canon and Nikon seem to have taken is that there isnt a large market for an ultra high end all rounder like the 1Ds mk3 or the D3x.
To me that seems to necessitate a more focused approach and my guess is that Canon and Nikon have targeted what they viewed as there most obvious weaknesses, the lack of a cheaper high MP FF body for Nikon and a cheaper all rounder well suited to weddings for Canon. This allows them to meet the needs of users who may have been waiting an entire product cycle for the correct features and so been in more danger of switching, it also allows them to carry on selling the previous generation's FF body since it targets different users.
So really the current competision is less 5D mk3 vs D800 and more 5D mk2 vs D800 and 5d mk3 vs D700 with one manifacturer offering better specs and the other a much lower price.
I'd be supprized if Canon and Nikon don't release high MP and all rounder FF bodies sometime in the next year or two, there have been rumblings about both afterall but your hardly going to see them make offical statements so soon after another release.
To me that seems to necessitate a more focused approach and my guess is that Canon and Nikon have targeted what they viewed as there most obvious weaknesses, the lack of a cheaper high MP FF body for Nikon and a cheaper all rounder well suited to weddings for Canon. This allows them to meet the needs of users who may have been waiting an entire product cycle for the correct features and so been in more danger of switching, it also allows them to carry on selling the previous generation's FF body since it targets different users.
So really the current competision is less 5D mk3 vs D800 and more 5D mk2 vs D800 and 5d mk3 vs D700 with one manifacturer offering better specs and the other a much lower price.
I'd be supprized if Canon and Nikon don't release high MP and all rounder FF bodies sometime in the next year or two, there have been rumblings about both afterall but your hardly going to see them make offical statements so soon after another release.
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poias said:
Canon has no difficulty making gear that isn't cost effective, or at least extremely expensive. I think the problem is more one of quality. One, I read a white paper from their engineering which discussed the difficulty of handling that many pixels. Right now they're at dual chip, when will they go dual core and quad core? Thats just in-camera processing, with high megapixels what will happen to the frame rate? ISO? IQ? A camera is a tough piece of engineering. I work in a similar field. Handheld device, tough requirements, anal customers, and a long legacy to live up to.
All solvable problems - eventually. I think that Canon just isn't ready or able to solve them all now.
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60Da fills a niche they haven't had a product in for about SEVEN years already. It's their best choice of body to adapt to this purpose, too, IMO. Avid astro's have likely worn out their 20Da a few times over by now. Also nice to have more res to catch those little dots of light.
I doubt they sell many of them, might almost fit on the "good will" list to produce such a product.
Still, altho 60D has one of the better levels of per-pixel noise in the Canon group of products, I wonder what tweaks it may have in it to help reduce noise even more?
I doubt they sell many of them, might almost fit on the "good will" list to produce such a product.
Still, altho 60D has one of the better levels of per-pixel noise in the Canon group of products, I wonder what tweaks it may have in it to help reduce noise even more?
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