Describe the 6D in one word...

[7enderbender]

Well, the thing is maybe not quite as bad as first thought when the specs leaked. But I still don't get it. Why would I pay 2K when the 5DII is still available for less?

As a $1200 camera I would understand it and maybe even consider it as a little worst case scenario backup even though currently I don't really need a backup (and if do I can rent one down the street). So, not sure what justifies this. I don't care about gadget features as much as I want build quality and a bit of heft to to balance things. I don't want a smaller and lighter camera. Certainly not for that kind of money.

 

[K-amps]

It's not "a Rebel body".

It appears to be a lighter, smaller version of the 5D2, with an SD card slot instead of CF. It is almost the same size as, and a little lighter than, a 7D. It likely offers much better high ISO than either a 7D or 5D2 (it has the same ISO range as the 5D3).

I'll be interested to learn more about the autofocus: how good overall, how many cross-type AF points and does it offer AFMA?

Keep in mind that the 5D2 was introduced at $2,700 and is now $1,900. That's a 26% price reduction over 4 years. If this new 6D has the same price reduction, it will drop to $1,475 over four years.

I have to say this makes sense. (not being a wisecrack

However, makes more sense if there was just one camera Company on Planet Earth... in an environment where the competition creates more compelling products at competetive prices, this offering looks less compelling... herein lies the rub.

I think Canon has great glass... but they can milk that horse just that much.

 

[picturesbyme]

The Poor 6D will get no respect not only because of Canon's crippling disease, but because Canon cannot spec it more than the 5diii.... which brings me back to the old gripe... they over priced the 5diii and pissed off a lot of early adopters... Way to go Canon, treating your supporters like crap. You have great glass and great bodies, but ....

Here's the solution.

Price the 6D at $1699
Re-price the 5diii @ $2699
Refund the early 5diii adopters the $800 difference ... cause they will never forget what you did to them
Send the pragmatic Canon Employees to Sony to liscence the EXMOR tech in the near-term
In the meanwhile get the R&D folks busy at making a better sensor than the competition

Riiiiiight like this will happen...

I don't get it.
Why did Canon pissed off early adopters?
Did Canon hide the price? NO

Everyone knew that the 5d3 was overpriced but some decided to buy it anyway.
All those who bough it early at high price KNEW the price, knew WHY they HAD TO buy it at that rate.
Either they needed for WORK and it already paid for itself OR they could easily afford it and enjoyed the FUN they had with it in the past X months.
Of course some bought it for a status symbol but just because someone cannot afford an expensive item that does NOT mean the manufacturer OWES to the person. They HAD their choices.
Sure we can do something about it but those who bought it early at full price already VOTED.

Now if you excuse me I need to go and complain that my new A6 that I bought at MSRP is selling at invoice..

 

[K-amps]

FF 1200D

But it has GPS

 

[sheedoe]

Canon should sue Canon. The 6D is same as the 5D2.

 

[ecka]

6D = crippled 60D and 5D3 hybrid

 

[K-amps]

One word?
Cheap-EF-sales-promoter.

The missed the boat on that one too by overpricing it...

 

[well_dunno]

The Poor 6D will get no respect not only because of Canon's crippling disease, but because Canon cannot spec it more than the 5diii.... which brings me back to the old gripe... they over priced the 5diii and pissed off a lot of early adopters... Way to go Canon, treating your supporters like crap. You have great glass and great bodies, but ....

Here's the solution.

Price the 6D at $1699
Re-price the 5diii @ $2699
Refund the early 5diii adopters the $800 difference ... cause they will never forget what you did to them
Send the pragmatic Canon Employees to Sony to liscence the EXMOR tech in the near-term
In the meanwhile get the R&D folks busy at making a better sensor than the competition

Riiiiiight like this will happen...

K-amps, mate you are reading my mind! ;D

 

[K-amps]

the sad thing is, just like with the 5DmkIII, canon crippled this camera to protect the higher end brother. It could be better. But unlike Nikon, which made the D800 a totally different camera than the D600 so as to not have them cannibalize each other, canon's stuck low MP formula doesn't allow them to really innovate or risk making the 5DmkIII a bust. Proof yet again that the decision to stay in the low 22MP with the 5DmkIII was a huge mistake. If it had been 30-40+MP, canon would have far less to protect and the 6D would be in a much better position to challenge the D600. Maybe even surpass it.

Everything about this camera seems to be designed to protect the 5DmkIII sales. I have to hand it to Nikon. They played their cards just right by baiting canon to chase after the D700 with the MKIII and then surprising them with the D800 departure from the expected. And then sensing canon's mistake, undercut the 5DIII knowing canon can't react too aggressively or risk nuking its own 5DIII.

Even if the rumored affordable high MP body from canon makes it next year, assuming it is not a 10K 1Dsmk4, Nikon clearly had the best game plan for this generation of bodies. The question is, will this mean an end for the D700 line or will Nikon save the 5DIII killer for when canon puts up their answer to the D800. That would make the most sense as being over a year late, the high res 5D or whatever will likely have no trouble matching the D800 and likewise nikon would have no trouble going for the 5DIII.

we live in interesting times.

+1 Well said. And yes, the giant was caught napping... will he wake up though?

The more one thinks about it it becomes easier to separate the Guys that design the "glass" vs the Guys that design the "bodies".... two completely different products though made to work with each other.

One division getting it right, they other napping on the laurels of the 5D2. granted there is enough intertia for Canon to mantaining market share, however it does not take very long for people to begin to get pee'd off.

As a Canon customer, I would love for them to give us bodies that are well packaged and right priced because at the end of the day we may spend 2x-5x more money on the lenses as we will on the Body... so why piss us off by the body offerings....

The 7D was the last compelling Body they made in the non 1D series bodies. Since then we got 4-5 disappointments... repackaged bodies with 4-5 year old tech.

Whats next, slapping on some colorful LED's to make them pretty? :

 

[infared]

"Lackluster" or "Mediocre" comes to mind.

 

[Gothmoth]

shame?

 

[dstppy]

"Trolling"

As in for Trolls ;D Honestly, they released it to make everyone on the forum that already doesn't like Canon mad.

Seriously, the same fifteen people are beating the same drum on 8 different threads.

 

[K-amps]

"Trolling"

As in for Trolls ;D Honestly, they released it to make everyone on the forum that already doesn't like Canon mad.

Seriously, the same fifteen people are beating the same drum on 8 different threads.

Looking at the poll results... 4.1% are excited, rest are not (in varying degrees).

 

[Gothmoth]

"Trolling"

As in for Trolls ;D Honestly, they released it to make everyone on the forum that already doesn't like Canon mad.

Seriously, the same fifteen people are beating the same drum on 8 different threads.

for the record i am a canon user because i once liked them more then nikon.
today i have nearly all models from both brands sitting on my shelves.....

i only feel sorry for canon users.

 

[pdirestajr]

One word? "Camera".

Y'all are crazy. I'm excited there is nothing new tempting me to waste my money on another camera body with minor changes. Technology is pretty good people. Enjoy shooting with what you have!

 

[Half Way To Nothing]

"Mistake"

 

[mjardeen]

I am not switching to Nikon, not as long as I can't put a 70-200 F/4 IS on a Nikon mount...

The Sigma 70-200 f/2.8 OS HSM costs the same and it's as great. Plus, you have a fully usable f/2.8, if you can live with the extra weight. AF works better on Nikon cameras than it does on Canon, if that was your concern.

No, there is no Nikon, or other lens that compares to that lens. It is the sharpest medium to long zoom on the market. It is also very light. If you are a landscape shooter like me, you could care less about 2.8.

 

[tron]

"Joke"

 

[Zlatko]

Do you think it's something new that electronics companies (or any company for that matter) has different products at different price points in their line up? They're all cameras so there has to be some differentiation in features, quality, etc. to justify the price.

Thank you for stating what should seem obvious, but apparently isn't understood by many. Photographers are always complaining that a lesser model is a "crippled" version of a more expensive model, and a more expensive model is an "overpriced" version of a lesser model. Why don't people understand the basic principle of "You get what you pay for"?

 

[Gothmoth]

Do you think it's something new that electronics companies (or any company for that matter) has different products at different price points in their line up? They're all cameras so there has to be some differentiation in features, quality, etc. to justify the price.

Thank you for stating what should seem obvious, but apparently isn't understood by many. Photographers are always complaining that a lesser model is a "crippled" version of a more expensive model, and a more expensive model is an "overpriced" version of a lesser model. Why don't people understand the basic principle of "You get what you pay for"?

well i think you don´t understand that people complain here because they can get more from nikon these days....

and unfortunately some of them have invested a 5 figure number in canon lenses....