differences in color between Mark ii and Mark iii?

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So we got lucky and secured two Mark iii bodies from Amazon and received them at the end of March. At least we thought they would be a great replacement for our Mark ii bodies.

Now, after noticing a difference in color, we wanted to make sure and ran some tests. There is a definite difference in the color that we are getting. Skin tones look way too red. I am at loss, and registering here to see if anyone is experiencing this? I am highly hopeful it is something in our settings, but we color balanced with both white and gray cards and all the shots come like this.




Both images were taken exactly the same with 24-70 lens iso100 1/160 f/8.0
We have tried multiple things and they are all coming this way, on both new bodies.
Any suggestions?
 

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I am posting for the first time ever because at $7000 invested I wouldn't expect that. I am not trying to bash the camera. I really want it to work for our studio, but both of the bodies are performing the same thing. Compared to the Mark ii bodies, they are off, and not in a apealing way. Sorry I don't have a million posts, just asking honestly and hoping the problem is in the user. Certified Professional Photographer took these though.
 
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really? Well it is not just red. We have tested it in the back yard and even grass colors look different from both of the cameras? Are you using different settings, or white balancing somehow that I have no idea how? Could I have possibly received two bodies that are faulty? I really don't want to believe that it isn't us, but the evidence says otherwise.
 
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mboss13 said:
Mt. Spokane, did you see this improvement in portraits of people?
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So far, my portraits have been done in very low light, and I have corrected the color temperature. However, I have noticed, and posted about it earlier that intense reds are no longer oversaturated as they were with my 5D MK II.

Are you referring to jpeg images? I haven't taken any, and only beta versions of Abobe Raw converters are available. I haven't tried viewing my raw images with DPP.

With Adobe, or with DPP, simple variation in monitor calibration or room lighting can skew colors slightly, so we may each be seeing a slight difference. If you see too much red, its easy to tweak the import profile in ACR or Lightroom to give a tone that you prefer.
 
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Well is nobody seeing the difference in the images I posted? You can tell the difference even on the back of the camera, no need for raw conversion. As for these, they were taken as RAW.
 
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I believe I am seeing rather purple tone to my blonde hair. The Mark ii looks the way I see my hair in mirror. Not the purple redish tint of the Mark iii. I will contact Canon about it, even though I doubt they will suggest any way of fixing this. I think a new more expensive camera should at least match the previous one. In our studio we believe in getting things done in camera and spending less time in Lightroom and Photoshop. But to each their own. I am not trying to start a blaming game. I was just seeing if others who actually own the new 5D are seeing the same thing. I know what is good for our business, and unfortunately if there is no way for me to fix this, these 5d Mark iii bodies are not for us. I am really trying to see if there is a way to get this fixed. In camera, not in Lightroom, or any other software option.
 
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K-amps said:
The reds and greens in the Mk.iii are a noticable improvement over the mk.ii. They look more natural.

Perhaps it is the mk.ii that is not the good one. I like the colors on the MK.iii a lot !
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My hair is not that color. I am also sad to see that nobody is truly answering my questions? Is there a way to get the right match? I do not like the off colors of the MK iii, just because they are not true, and don't want to spend time in post processing fixing it.

I will see if I can get a few more samples up here to show what I am talking about. Again, I want to like this camera, but clearly the color is off, and not to a liking.
 
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mboss13 said:
So we got lucky and secured two Mark iii bodies from Amazon and received them at the end of March. At least we thought they would be a great replacement for our Mark ii bodies.

Now, after noticing a difference in color, we wanted to make sure and ran some tests. There is a definite difference in the color that we are getting. Skin tones look way too red. I am at loss, and registering here to see if anyone is experiencing this? I am highly hopeful it is something in our settings, but we color balanced with both white and gray cards and all the shots come like this.




Both images were taken exactly the same with 24-70 lens iso100 1/160 f/8.0
We have tried multiple things and they are all coming this way, on both new bodies.
Any suggestions?
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hmmm you 5d2 image looks pinker to me than the 5D3 image and the 5D3 image looks more natural

EDIT: i was looking at skin tones, apparently you are focusing on your hair color, the 5D3 does seem a bit redder there so it's probably a camera profile difference (maybe,maybe CFA array difference but it really doesn't seem at all likely) are they jpgs from the cam? prcoessed in some RAW program?

anyway it can be down to tons of different things from color filter array to more likely camera color profile or white balance engine in the camera
 
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Did you try adjusting color settings in the styles?

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LetTheRightLensIn said:
mboss13 said:
So we got lucky and secured two Mark iii bodies from Amazon and received them at the end of March. At least we thought they would be a great replacement for our Mark ii bodies.

Now, after noticing a difference in color, we wanted to make sure and ran some tests. There is a definite difference in the color that we are getting. Skin tones look way too red. I am at loss, and registering here to see if anyone is experiencing this? I am highly hopeful it is something in our settings, but we color balanced with both white and gray cards and all the shots come like this.




Both images were taken exactly the same with 24-70 lens iso100 1/160 f/8.0
We have tried multiple things and they are all coming this way, on both new bodies.
Any suggestions?
Click to expand...

hmmm you 5d2 image looks pinker to me than the 5D3 image and the 5D3 image looks more natural

EDIT: i was looking at skin tones, apparently you are focusing on your hair color, the 5D3 does seem a bit redder there so it's probably a camera profile difference (maybe,maybe CFA array difference but it really doesn't seem at all likely) are they jpgs from the cam? prcoessed in some RAW program?

anyway it can be down to tons of different things from color filter array to more likely camera color profile or white balance engine in the camera
Click to expand...
 
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Somebody did a color-checker calibration with the 5D3 and looks excellent processed through LR for me. I did notice reds are a bit saturated by default, but after loading the calibration profile it looks really good and no longer an issue.

If you want it, PM me your email and I can email it to you. All you do is load it up into lightroom and have it apply as default and good to go.
 
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scottkinfw said:
Did you try adjusting color settings in the styles?

sek

LetTheRightLensIn said:
mboss13 said:
So we got lucky and secured two Mark iii bodies from Amazon and received them at the end of March. At least we thought they would be a great replacement for our Mark ii bodies.

Now, after noticing a difference in color, we wanted to make sure and ran some tests. There is a definite difference in the color that we are getting. Skin tones look way too red. I am at loss, and registering here to see if anyone is experiencing this? I am highly hopeful it is something in our settings, but we color balanced with both white and gray cards and all the shots come like this.




Both images were taken exactly the same with 24-70 lens iso100 1/160 f/8.0
We have tried multiple things and they are all coming this way, on both new bodies.
Any suggestions?
Click to expand...

hmmm you 5d2 image looks pinker to me than the 5D3 image and the 5D3 image looks more natural

EDIT: i was looking at skin tones, apparently you are focusing on your hair color, the 5D3 does seem a bit redder there so it's probably a camera profile difference (maybe,maybe CFA array difference but it really doesn't seem at all likely) are they jpgs from the cam? prcoessed in some RAW program?

anyway it can be down to tons of different things from color filter array to more likely camera color profile or white balance engine in the camera
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Do you mean setting it on portraiture? We did that.
 
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Here are two more shots, outdoor. Taken raw and processed in lightroom. Same white balance card was used.
 

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