DXO calls the D7200 "Super awesome greatness with frosting on top"

[AvTvM]

Canon / 7D II is more than fortunate that Nikon is dumb enough to not stick that D7200 Sensor also into a kick-ass D400 camera. Absolutely unbelievably stupid of them.

Ya!
Well, if anyone's suggesting that the very impressive sensor measurements of the d7200 are a distraction to a camera that's, somehow, overall lacking in capability, they can go ahead and point out what might be lacking from the rest of the product to support that insinuation.

Here, I'll start;
- dang, it only shoots 6 fps so I'm less likely to be able to catch a bird in flight with it's wings in exactly the right position.
OTOH, you'll be able to shoot a blackbird flying away from you, into a sunset, and still lift the dark portions in post enough to make out its vent. worthwhile tradeoff?

 

[Eldar]

Looks like an intriguing APS-C camera to me. If you look beyond the DxO scoring, which still is a bit of a mystery to me, the sensor clearly is a high quality sensor. I have looked at some other tests and they seem to confirm that part of it. Would I have liked to see this sensor performance in the 7DII? A definite Yes!

The AF system is a bit behind the 7DII, but it still looks quite potent and going to -3EV is not a bad thing. If I´m not mistaken, the only Canon body that can do that is the 6D.

6fps is less than 10 fps, but it is probably more of an all-round camera, than a more specialised action/wildlife camera, like the 7DII. We have lots of happy 5DIII owners here, which somehow manage with the fps delivered there.

The absolute show-stopper for the D7100 was the buffer, which went into coma after about 3 raw images. The new spec says 100 jpegs and 27 raw. If that turns out to be true, then that show-stopper is gone.

Skimming through the rest of the functionality, it seems to deliver the majority of things I would look for. On top of that it is cheaper than the 7DII. If it had a Canon label up front, I believe we would have read quite a bit of praise for this camera.

 

[Aglet]

Canon / 7D II is more than fortunate that Nikon is dumb enough to not stick that D7200 Sensor also into a kick-ass D400 camera. Absolutely unbelievably stupid of them.

Yes, I have to agree that, beyond the 3k & 5k series, they've done some odd things to their lineup.
Decent products but questionable market placement. I've got nothing to complain about, I find the gear fits my purposes very well but I can understand those who are disappointed that something like the D700 was not truly updated.
OTOH, I've been salivating for so long for what could be possible for a D4x, sensor-wise at least, that my mouth has dried up.
.. 54MP worth of d7200 level+ IQ. GIMME!

 

[9VIII]

...worthwhile tradeoff?

For me it's all about that extra thumb lever. If the 5D4 has 15 stops of DR at 30MP and shoots 10 fps but doesn't have that lever I'm still going to have to think long and hard about which camera is better.

 

[ahsanford]

As the man who started this thread -- in jest, I might add -- it turns my stomach to see fans of the D7200 actually show up and say nice things. This was supposed to be a DXO Bashing Club meeting.

That said -- now that you brought it up -- the D7200 is a peach of a camera.

When I miss shots because of the slow burst rate or dodgy AF system, it's amazing. My misses have all the rich detail and color depth that I paid for. After all, I demand best-in-class missed shots, people. I want people to come to my home and see my enlargements of the eagle two frames after it ate the fish but I've really only printed it out to show how well I can push the shadows.

- A

 

[charlesa]

As the man who started this thread -- in jest, I might add -- it turns my stomach to see fans of the D7200 actually show up and say nice things. This was supposed to be a DXO Bashing Club meeting.

That said -- now that you brought it up -- the D7200 is a peach of a camera.

When I miss shots because of the slow burst rate or dodgy AF system, it's amazing. My misses have all the rich detail and color depth that I paid for. After all, I demand best-in-class missed shots, people. I want people to come to my home and see my enlargements of the eagle two frames after it ate the fish but I've really only printed it out to show how well I can push the shadows.

- A

Hilarious +1

 

[Loswr]

When I miss shots because of the slow burst rate or dodgy AF system, it's amazing. My misses have all the rich detail and color depth that I paid for. After all, I demand best-in-class missed shots, people. I want people to come to my home and see my enlargements of the eagle two frames after it ate the fish but I've really only printed it out to show how well I can push the shadows.

I trust you were using Nikon's affordable high-IQ 400mm f/5.6 lens when you missed peak action with that eagle. But at least you could push the shadows, because as we all know the sensor is all that matters...

 

[Loswr]

The AF system is a bit behind the 7DII, but it still looks quite potent and going to -3EV is not a bad thing. If I´m not mistaken, the only Canon body that can do that is the 6D.

So 51-pts with 15 cross-type points clustered in the center is just 'a bit' behind 65-pts all cross-type spread wide across the frame with a central high-precision f/2.8 dual-cross point?

Incidentally, the 7DII also has AF sensitivity down to -3 EV.

 

[Keith_Reeder]

If it had a Canon label up front, I believe we would have read quite a bit of praise for this camera.

As a 7D Mk II "Lite", maybe. In reality it's nowhere near the Canon.

 

[jblake]

The AF system is a bit behind the 7DII, but it still looks quite potent and going to -3EV is not a bad thing. If I´m not mistaken, the only Canon body that can do that is the 6D.

Incidentally, the 7DII also has AF sensitivity down to -3 EV.

Yes, but only the center cross-type AF point on the 7D II, has that ability. The D7200 has 15 cross-type AF points that are all -3 EV.

 

[Eldar]

The AF system is a bit behind the 7DII, but it still looks quite potent and going to -3EV is not a bad thing. If I´m not mistaken, the only Canon body that can do that is the 6D.

So 51-pts with 15 cross-type points clustered in the center is just 'a bit' behind 65-pts all cross-type spread wide across the frame with a central high-precision f/2.8 dual-cross point?

Incidentally, the 7DII also has AF sensitivity down to -3 EV.

Yupp, as I said, it is a bit behind the 7DII. I had actually forgotten that the 7DII also go to -3EV.

In general, I believe the 7DII beats the D7200 in everything, but the sensor, at a $400/30% price premium. The D7200 price is actually closer to the 70D than the 7DII.

 

[Loswr]

The AF system is a bit behind the 7DII, but it still looks quite potent and going to -3EV is not a bad thing. If I´m not mistaken, the only Canon body that can do that is the 6D.

Incidentally, the 7DII also has AF sensitivity down to -3 EV.

Yes, but only the center cross-type AF point on the 7D II, has that ability. The D7200 has 15 cross-type AF points that are all -3 EV.

It's incidental - I pointed it out only to correct the facts. An example of -3 EV is 1/30 s, f/1.4, ISO 51200. I'm not sure if ISO 51200 is even available on either camera, but if so I am sure it's utterly useless.

 

[Eldar]

If it had a Canon label up front, I believe we would have read quite a bit of praise for this camera.

As a 7D Mk II "Lite", maybe. In reality it's nowhere near the Canon.

The 7DII is 30%/$400 more expensive, so it should also be better. The sensor in the D7200 is still better though. A more reasonable comparison is actually the 70D, which is only $200 cheaper.

 

[Aglet]

It's incidental - I pointed it out only to correct the facts. An example of -3 EV is 1/30 s, f/1.4, ISO 51200. I'm not sure if ISO 51200 is even available on either camera, but if so I am sure it's utterly useless.

then a more appropriate example would be 4 min @ f/5.6 at base ISO for a moonlight landscape

d7200's center AF is also f/8 capable, so slap those tele-converters on a long lens and carry on, low-cost.

 

[ritholtz]

If it had a Canon label up front, I believe we would have read quite a bit of praise for this camera.

As a 7D Mk II "Lite", maybe. In reality it's nowhere near the Canon.

The 7DII is 30%/$400 more expensive, so it should also be better. The sensor in the D7200 is still better though. A more reasonable comparison is actually the 70D, which is only $200 cheaper.

70D is almost 2 years old camera. Canon dumps lot of them for $799. Some of us even got for this price with 18-135 kit lens. Looks like finally Nikon matched with 70d in terms of buffer and fps. d7100 should be this d7200 if not for Nikon being stingy with buffer and fps. I really doubt there is any noticeable difference between d7100 and d7200. is there any AF tracking in video for Nikon like dual pixel tech? How do they match with 70d/7d2 in terms of video capability and stm lens.

 

[ritholtz]

Damn, and DPReview have just proclaimed the Samsung NX1 as the ultimate mega APS king with whipped cream and cherries on top, despite the fact that the AF struggles in poor light... or unless you're using one of two lenses... or...

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/samsung-nx1?utm_campaign=internal-link&utm_source=reviews-latest-widget&utm_medium=image&ref=reviews-latest-widget

I am really surprised with their rating. Camera designed for fast action shooting struggles in low light and get their gold rating. 7d2 which exactly does this, gets their silver rating. Samsung video capabilities might be another reason. But dpr always recommended d7100 over 70d, 7d2 and Sony in their best buys articles.
Samsung makes nice stuff but they go great lengths in marketing.

 

[Loswr]

It's incidental - I pointed it out only to correct the facts. An example of -3 EV is 1/30 s, f/1.4, ISO 51200. I'm not sure if ISO 51200 is even available on either camera, but if so I am sure it's utterly useless.

then a more appropriate example would be 4 min @ f/5.6 at base ISO for a moonlight landscape

So you're on a tripod for a long night exposure, but you're going to use dedicated PDAF? Perhaps you would, given Nikon's crappy Live View implementation. I'd just use Live View AF on a Canon body, as I've done frequently.

d7200's center AF is also f/8 capable, so slap those tele-converters on a long lens and carry on, low-cost.

As is the 7DII. Which low cost long lens did you plan to use with the TC on the Nikon? The 80-400mm costing $2700? The Canon 400/5.6L is less than half the price, and does very well with a 1.4x TC on a 7DII with AF.

You really should quit before you fall even further behind... :

 

[candc]

Remember that competition is a good thing for all of us. Other manufacturers making technological advances and keeping prices reasonable puts pressure on canon to step on the development pedal and do the same. Seems to me that canon has come out with some really great gear lately and there is more to come.

 

[Aglet]

..I really doubt there is any noticeable difference between d7100 and d7200. is there any AF tracking in video for Nikon like dual pixel tech? How do they match with 70d/7d2 in terms of video capability and stm lens.

I don't know about video (don't care) but the d7200 had actually made huge improvements in sensor metrics over the d7100. (Sony vs Toshiba sensor?)

 

[Aglet]

So you're on a tripod for a long night exposure, but you're going to use dedicated PDAF? Perhaps you would, given Nikon's crappy Live View implementation. I'd just use Live View AF on a Canon body, as I've done frequently.

well, it can PDAF in moonlight.
or it can be focused in other ways as any experienced camera user may know
Yes, Canon's FF live-view in low light has been quite handy and one of the first things I missed when I bought my d800s. But I quickly got over missing that minor shortcoming. ;D

As is the 7DII. Which low cost long lens did you plan to use with the TC on the Nikon? The 80-400mm costing $2700? The Canon 400/5.6L is less than half the price, and does very well with a 1.4x TC on a 7DII with AF.

no specific lens was mentioned.
I'm merely stating you can multiply your FL comfortably knowing the center AF point can handle it.

But, since you're pressing the issue, and how unlike you to proffer the tiny 400mm prime instead of waving oversized barrels of white paint around with misplaced machismo, I'd likely hoist the heavy Sigma 150-600 Sport for max versatility.

You really should quit before you fall even further behind... :

The only "behind" here is that arse-inine comment.

Golly, wouldn't it kinda suck to own an expensive 1dx when a much cheaper Nikon crop has a vastly superior sensor combined with a perfectly adequate AF system? Geez, ya know, when I look at the color and SNR numbers, even the old d5100's sensor outperforms the 1dx at low iso. I mean, that's gotta be embarrassing if you can't wave that thing around with pride until 800iso or more.
Maybe you can tell us about those few niche applications where the 1dx can actually excel? I'm sure someone will find it useful to know when a $5k camera can do better than a $400 one.

Well, just pokin' you back, Neuro. But feel free to take the bait and answer those last questions. ;D