DXO calls the D7200 "Super awesome greatness with frosting on top"

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dilbert said:
Don Haines said:
bdunbar79 said:
You only need to know two past examples. The first was when they scored the Canon 70-200 f/2.8L I IS higher than the II. Only later they then rescored the II higher.

Then the classic 500mm lens comparison (Nikon vs. Canon). They got equal scores because of the "superior DR of the D800" used in the testing.

That's really all you need to know.
and a third thing....
The Canon 50F1.8 rates as a superior lens to the 600F4 version 2....

Why can't something cheap be better than something expensive?

It already is when price is the dominant decision factor.
 
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dilbert said:
Well then why don't you post your own equation for determining a sensor score?
I would not make one, because it is impossible to tell with one single score how good a complicated thing like a sensor is.

A star rating system is better because there you a less "accurate" rating, something like, this is among the best available, this is very good, this is okay and so on.

The other problem with DXOMark is, that it is a highly synthetic way of analysis, and rating. They do a lot of measurments, and give the result in an abstract number, and a standardizied picture you can look at, that say, this is about how it could look. Sure some measurments are important, because it takes away the tiresome task to compare dozens of pictures; but on the other hand, the human eye works different than a measuring instrument, and something that should be very good according to a measurment, can still look about the same as something that should be worse, according to the measurment. Noise is a typical example for that, an instrument or analysing tool will calculate a number for noise in a synthetic picture. But to the human eye, the noise pattern is as important as the the amount of noise, but it is very difficult to analyse and quantify the pattern. So even if DXO scores a sensor better in niose, it does not mean that the pictures of this camera will better to the human eye.

And this brings me back to the beginning. It is actually impossible to score a sensore with a single number.
 
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aj1575 said:
..noise pattern is as important as the the amount of noise, but it is very difficult to analyse and quantify the pattern.
actually, it can be quantified for pattern noise to provide another number or 2 that would be relevant to some of use.
An RMS sort of average noise level could be specified as some count or percentage of noise (already in DxOmark's numbers in some form)
And a peak-to-peak absolute noise value could be specified, along with a spatial frequency, and this would relate to the pattern noise; H & V would have to be specified as well.

DxO's full SNR data plots are very useful but having a peak-to-peak number would quickly show what sensors systems are adding pattern noise to the image file.
 
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Nikon 800 sony a7rii canon 5d mark xxxviii. Bla bla bla

Guys please don't take it the wrong way and this comes from a guy who in the past bought all sorts of gear based on what others said.
I earn a living from image films for a few years now and what I came to the realization is that before I was so hung up on gear. Obsessed thinking that having the best gear would make me a better shooter. Although the dynamic range was better and I could color correct a bit more I still didn't see an improvement in telling a story with more passion, clarity and artistically. I had spent all my time fiddling with the gear and little dedication to the message. Then I got to participate in the Zacuto Shootout showing in hamburg Germany and while all these camera men were TRYIG to prove they knew which camera was which I realized that it didn't really matter. Granted that you may have less banding and more dynamic range or better highlights but the truth is that if you know what your camera is capable of then help it in where it's not. Scene is too contrasty? Use or make a softbox. Shooting in just available light and you can't do high ISO ? Compromise in shooting more stable and drop the shutter speed or borrow faster lenses.
My point is that we get hung up on gear when we should think about the story and how to tell it. To explore and give your own touch to it like a painter.
What are your thoughts on it? And by any means I don't mean to dis or rant. Just sharing my opinion so people won't make the same mistakes I made.
If you want some really good interviews from DPs n directors let me know I've seen some really good ones on YouTube.
 
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Re: Nikon 800 sony a7rii canon 5d mark xxxviii. Bla bla bla

Jtavares said:
Guys please don't take it the wrong way and this comes from a guy who in the past bought all sorts of gear based on what others said.
I earn a living from image films for a few years now and what I came to the realization is that before I was so hung up on gear. Obsessed thinking that having the best gear would make me a better shooter. Although the dynamic range was better and I could color correct a bit more I still didn't see an improvement in telling a story with more passion, clarity and artistically. I had spent all my time fiddling with the gear and little dedication to the message. Then I got to participate in the Zacuto Shootout showing in hamburg Germany and while all these camera men were TRYIG to prove they knew which camera was which I realized that it didn't really matter. Granted that you may have less banding and more dynamic range or better highlights but the truth is that if you know what your camera is capable of then help it in where it's not. Scene is too contrasty? Use or make a softbox. Shooting in just available light and you can't do high ISO ? Compromise in shooting more stable and drop the shutter speed or borrow faster lenses.
My point is that we get hung up on gear when we should think about the story and how to tell it. To explore and give your own touch to it like a painter.
What are your thoughts on it? And by any means I don't mean to dis or rant. Just sharing my opinion so people won't make the same mistakes I made.
If you want some really good interviews from DPs n directors let me know I've seen some really good ones on YouTube.
My opinion is that it you can take great pictures with ANY modern DSLR... they are all capable of great pictures.
 
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