EF 100-400 f/4.5-5.6L IS Replacement Coming in November [CR2]

[Marsu42]

Is it DO?

Hopefully not! 8)

The new DO system supposedly has vast improvement over the old 70-300 attempt - and if it works, it means less weight and length for the same image quality. With a lens the size of a 100-400L, what's not to like about it?

 

[Loswr]

Is it DO?

Hopefully not! 8)

The new DO system supposedly has vast improvement over the old 70-300 attempt - and if it works, it means less weight and length for the same image quality. With a lens the size of a 100-400L, what's not to like about it?

What's not to like is "supposedly". Also, there's not too much weight reduction, although the length decrease is nice.

 

[Marsu42]

What's not to like is "supposedly". Also, there's not too much weight reduction, although the length decrease is nice.

After their first botched DO attempt, imho Canon will only release a new generation if all possible criticisms (except for the price ) are eliminated. And they'd better hurry up as Sigma and similar are catching up building traditional high-iq lens designs...

 

[Omni Images]

yey ! .... hopefully not a DO ... or it might end up being a doh...

 

[racebit]

The 400 5.6 prime beats them all, canon 100-400, sigma zooms, whatever.

 

[Marsu42]

The 400 5.6 prime beats them all, canon 100-400, sigma zooms, whatever.

A midrange zoom isn't supposed to "beat" a prime because unless you're focal length limited. With the zoom you can get the optimal sensor coverage meaning less noise and more sharpness because of less nr. With a prime, what do you do if your subject decides to get near you? Quickly switch to the 300L, 200L and 100L?

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

The 400 5.6 prime beats them all, canon 100-400, sigma zooms, whatever.

Not mine, and not the various test lenses. For all practical purposes, they are the same, except for the IS and close focusing of the 100-400.

 

[dgatwood]

Is it DO?

Hopefully not! 8)

The new DO system supposedly has vast improvement over the old 70-300 attempt - and if it works, it means less weight and length for the same image quality. With a lens the size of a 100-400L, what's not to like about it?

Agreed. I'd kill for a 100–400L that wasn't any longer than my 70–300L (or even better, smaller than that) without sacrificing too much quality.

 

[tcmatthews]

The biggest problem with DO is the price. It could put it outside of the reach of many potential buyers. If the quality is there and it handles the Extenders well many will buy it instead of the new 150-600mm flavor of the month. Now if they added a DO and did not increase the price as much as in the past that is a different story. But I suspect that it could cost over 3k for a 100-400L DO. As it stands non-DO could be 2.5K at release.

Many prefer the native option and will settle for a 100-499.

 

[Bennymiata]

I love my 100-400L.
The new one would need to be significantly better for me to replace it with the version.

 

[LJ3Jim]

Assuming it focuses quickly and accurately, I'm in. My 100-400 usually focuses well, but sometimes it hunts (both with my 70D and 5D3). My newer lenses don't do that. I'm guessing the new 100-400 will have modestly better IQ, and better IS. I will miss the push-pull, though.

 

[rdalrt]

I would love a new 100-400. Been waiting for one for awhile. I would find it useful for a lot of stuff I do. Only reason I don't already own the current version is I can't stand the push/pull design. Hope the rumours about the new one having a zoom ring are true. If so, I will be on the pre-order list when announced.

 

[jarrodeu]

I would love a new 100-400. Been waiting for one for awhile. I would find it useful for a lot of stuff I do. Only reason I don't already own the current version is I can't stand the push/pull design. Hope the rumours about the new one having a zoom ring are true. If so, I will be on the pre-order list when announced.

Really? I love the push pull. In fact, if the replacement is not push pull and is not significantly better, I won't be upgrading mine. If it is significantly better, well then I will have a difficult decision to make.


Would it cost a significant amount to make both a traditional and a push pull design? I would assume that they could use the same glass elements, same IS, same focusing, with the main difference being the frame/shell? Or am I way off? I know nothing of lens design.

Jarrod

 

[Mitch.Conner]

The 400 5.6 prime beats them all, canon 100-400, sigma zooms, whatever.

A midrange zoom isn't supposed to "beat" a prime because unless you're focal length limited. With the zoom you can get the optimal sensor coverage meaning less noise and more sharpness because of less nr. With a prime, what do you do if your subject decides to get near you? Quickly switch to the 300L, 200L and 100L?

Walk backwards?

I don't own any primes yet, so that's just my working theory as of the moment. As soon as I own some primes I can properly answer your question and back it up with the scientific method.

 

[Mitch.Conner]

To be clear to all, when I asked if it was DO, I wasn't hoping that it's DO. To be honest, I don't care one way or another AS LONG AS THE IQ IS THERE.

I was merely remembering the announcement from September 17 of this year that more DO lenses are coming - and in the same announcement talking about the 100-400 replacement.... and then in the same announcement also mentioning that Canon has a patent on a 100-400 DO zoom.

Canon Rumors link here: Canon Confirms Replacement of 100-400 Coming, More DO & EF-M Lenses

CNET Source link here: Canon Reveals Details For Future Telephoto Lens Line
A new 400mm supertele is just the beginning. Canon also says it plans a replacement for its 100-400mm zoom and new compact models using diffractive optics.

 

[Lee Jay]

The Tamron is $1,069. This lens is 2/3 as long. So, it will be $712.66. CR2.

You're welcome.

 

[Lee Jay]

Time has passed this lens by - it is two years to late.
The 150-600 zoom is the new kid on the block and the imminent Sigma S version could be a very good lens.

It's nine years too late, and it will still be worth probably twice what the Tamron and Sigma C cost. As for the Sigma S, it's too big and too heavy to hand hold 10 hours a day, which is what I will do with this lens.

 

[racebit]

The 400 5.6 prime beats them all, canon 100-400, sigma zooms, whatever.

A midrange zoom isn't supposed to "beat" a prime because unless you're focal length limited. With the zoom you can get the optimal sensor coverage meaning less noise and more sharpness because of less nr. With a prime, what do you do if your subject decides to get near you? Quickly switch to the 300L, 200L and 100L?

I never run into a situation where the bird did not fit with the 400 prime. But I am not the waiting type, I am the walking type, and shoot whatever appears. So, the 400 prime is perfect, light and fast focusing.
If the bird is still, it always fits the image, no matter how close. If the bird is flying very close, it moves too fast for me to be able to frame it, and zooming will only make the process slower, not to mention the AF would be slower too. It is better to shoot farther, as the focus will be better, and still close enough to get zero image degradation.

 

[racebit]

The 400 5.6 prime beats them all, canon 100-400, sigma zooms, whatever.

Not mine, and not the various test lenses. For all practical purposes, they are the same, except for the IS and close focusing of the 100-400.

And focusing speed?

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

"It sounds like there will be a retractable opening near where a filter would be, so you could turn your circular polarize easily if you needed to."

Pretty cool. I could sure use that with the 70-300L.