EOS-1D X & EOS 5D Mark III Replacements in 2015 [CR1]

Dylan777 said:
mackguyver said:
I'm not sure I buy this rumor unless the new sensor tech is truly revolutionary (dual pixel doesn't excite me that much). For me the 5DIII and 1D X are very close to the perfect cameras and it would take at least one or more of these items for me to consider upgrading, assuming no degradation of existing features/performance:

1. 2+ stops of improvement in ISO noise levels
2. 2+ stops of improvement in DR
3. 50% increase in megapixels
4. 50% increase in frame rate
5. Significant weight reduction (1D X) via carbon fiber or something
6. Something revolutionary that we don't know about

It's easy to say it now. With your G.A.S problem, I have hard time believing it ;D

I now have little taste of 1d class, we might be the 1st few on pre-order list when X2 announced.
LOL, though my G.A.S. problem is usually with lenses. I am truly happy with these two bodies and given the hit that you generally take when selling bodies, it would take quite a bit for me to upgrade.
 
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I feel the same way. When I had my xs... yes totally needed to upgrade for so many reasons ( video, iso performance, fps,etc), and when I sold my 60d at a loss... that was hard... but the improvements going to full frame were definitive and it just took a while for that to notice. But now... It will have to be truly earth shattering for me to consider the added expense plus losing money on selling the mkiii.

mackguyver said:
I'm not sure I buy this rumor unless the new sensor tech is truly revolutionary (dual pixel doesn't excite me that much). For me the 5DIII and 1D X are very close to the perfect cameras and it would take at least one or more of these items for me to consider upgrading, assuming no degradation of existing features/performance:

1. 2+ stops of improvement in ISO noise levels
2. 2+ stops of improvement in DR
3. 50% increase in megapixels
4. 50% increase in frame rate
5. Significant weight reduction (1D X) via carbon fiber or something
6. Something revolutionary that we don't know about
 
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Let me be ridiculous for a moment...

...so all these rumours, all the hypothesizing turns out to be true, Canon has produced a sensor that blows every sensor clean out the water.
It's so good, it significantly closes the gap between crop and full frame performance. Well, until they drop the equivalent full frame sensor into a 5DIV or 1DX2.

If the 7D2 actually turns out to be the harbinger of a massive revolution, what becomes of the 70D, 6D, 5D3 and 1DX? Would people actually buy those bodies or will it force Canon to release a slew of next gen bodies relatively soon after the 7D2 debuts?

Hope that makes sense, I'm on some strong mess here
 
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just curious what you guys think the next cameras will have in regards to their connection for tethered shooting? Will Canon put USB3 or Thunderbolt and if it's Thunderbolt could there be a new version of Thunderbolt that doesn't coincide with today's version?

I have not kept up on the computer news but I do remember when Apple dropped firewire 400 that a lot of cameras were using for tethered shooting

thanks for any insights

p.s any reason why they won't put SDI connections verses HDMI?
 
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Jeff said:
just curious what you guys think the next cameras will have in regards to their connection for tethered shooting? Will Canon put USB3 or Thunderbolt and if it's Thunderbolt could there be a new version of Thunderbolt that doesn't coincide with today's version?

I have not kept up on the computer news but I do remember when Apple dropped firewire 400 that a lot of cameras were using for tethered shooting

thanks for any insights

p.s any reason why they won't put SDI connections verses HDMI?
Canon's always been very mass market when it comes to connectors, so USB 3 is probably the most we can hope for, and SDI and Thunderbolt are very much niche connectors in comparison to USB and HDMI connectors which are everywhere. I could potentially see those connections coming to the Cinema EOS line, though.
 
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M_S said:
Perhaps they fixed the rolling shutter issue, that would be huge.

Huge and way overdue. The basic techniques have been used for decades in the CCD world. Canon just has to bite the bullet and decide that it's worth dedicating the extra silicon required for buffering the values (preferably using double-sided silicon etching rather than by stealing wafer space from the light-sensitive areas like they do with interline transfer CCDs).

Jeff said:
just curious what you guys think the next cameras will have in regards to their connection for tethered shooting? Will Canon put USB3 or Thunderbolt and if it's Thunderbolt could there be a new version of Thunderbolt that doesn't coincide with today's version?

New version? Sure. Rumor has it that the upcoming Thunderbolt 3 will do 40 Gbps (presumably with 2 bonded 20 Gbps channels), if that's what you mean. For perspective, that's enough for about 170 frames per second of RAW video, assuming the attached computer could handle storing such copious amounts of data somehow. I'm not sure what the point would be, of course. :D
 
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When Canon switches to CFast then I can see them switching to USB 3 from USB 2.

Apple dropped Firewire altogether because of the bandwidth limitation of the standard at 40MB/s and 80MB/s. These were fast during the time of USB 1.x and USB 2.x but Firewire pales in comparison to USB 3 speeds of 500MB/s

Thunderbolt 1 & 2 are spec'd to 1,000MB/s & 2,000GB/s respectively.

What probably restricted Canon from transitioning to faster I/O is size, heat, power draw, price, usability, demand & workflow.

It is possible that SDI is too high end or it isnt as popular as HDMI. If you do want a pro video camera then get a Cinema EOS and not a EOS?

Jeff said:
just curious what you guys think the next cameras will have in regards to their connection for tethered shooting? Will Canon put USB3 or Thunderbolt and if it's Thunderbolt could there be a new version of Thunderbolt that doesn't coincide with today's version?

I have not kept up on the computer news but I do remember when Apple dropped firewire 400 that a lot of cameras were using for tethered shooting

thanks for any insights

p.s any reason why they won't put SDI connections verses HDMI?
 
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jdramirez said:
Don Haines said:
If this is true, and Canon feels that this "new technology" about to be debuted in the 7D2 is so good that the rest of the lineup must have it, it must be something big!

That is quite optimistic.

Launch price for the mkiii was 3500... so I suppose $4000 seems like a reasonable bump up in price... with the 1dx's selling at $5000... it really raises the question of whether a 1dx for an extra grand is worth it more than a new mkiv. Interesting question.

There are many reasons to buy the 5D line over the 1D line, regardless of how much better the 1D line may be. No battery grip (BIG reason for many people), more megapixels, less read noise, quieter mirror, cheaper (even a thousand bucks is more than "cheaper enough"), etc.
 
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vscd said:
steliosk said:
- faster SD card slot
- dual SD (get rid of that ancient and expensive CF)

Your position. Hopefully they won't do that.

- and yes.. MORE DR please.. kill that banding in the shadows, buy sensors from Sony for Christ sake as nikon does.
- more mp like 40mp (and 20mp mRAW) that those great lenses such as 24-70 2.8 II, 70-200 2.8 II and 16-35 f/4 can handle!

Why do you need a Canon, just grab the latest Nikon with your fancy Toshiba/Sony/Whatsoever-Sensor and get lucky. I don't understand why you bought a 5DM3 when everything inside is wrong for you, even the Memorycard.

You'll get an equally good 24-70 or 70-200@Nikon. And who needs 40MPixel? Get a Pano-tool. Understand it. Use it.

P.S. I'm glad that there are companies out there who invent their own sensors, like Sigma or Canon.

are you still glad when you're pushing out the shadows in post processing knowing that you've spent a fortune on buying a great camera with almost the same sensor as the previous model?

I'm not a nikon guy but honestly i don't get it!
Doesn't canon sensors need improvements?
I don't care who makes it, i care on doing my job better.
But i think its funny to talk about USB3 and highlighted buttons in the next models.

Don't complain if canon re-sells the same sensor in the next model with USB3 and 4k as a new feature which is useless for photographers.
 
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I have to be truly honest. I just got a 1DX about 6 months ago to replace my old beaten down 5dMK3 and I cannot honestly think of anything else I could want from a camera. It has great AF, great low light capabilities, excellent ISO quality. What else is there that you "HAVE" to have? To me nothing. I understand we will always want more in life but for me I have to say I am truly happy with my 1DX. Just my opinion of course, I know most feel differently.
 
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ck5dmkiii said:
I have to be truly honest. I just got a 1DX about 6 months ago to replace my old beaten down 5dMK3 and I cannot honestly think of anything else I could want from a camera. It has great AF, great low light capabilities, excellent ISO quality. What else is there that you "HAVE" to have? To me nothing. I understand we will always want more in life but for me I have to say I am truly happy with my 1DX. Just my opinion of course, I know most feel differently.

Me too, recently joined the 1d line. Let me put it this way. If Canon releases 5D 4 and 1dX II tomorrow, I will more likely upgrade the 1d over 5D. I will keep my current 5D III as a second body until it dies or there is a huge discount on 5D 4.

The grip on 1dx is a HUGE advantage when shoot with larger lenses(85L, 70-200 f2.8 IS II, 400mm etc...)

After shooting with the X for 2weeks, I now feel I need to add a grip to my 5D III. It feels naked at bottom without grip.
 
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steliosk said:
vscd said:
steliosk said:
- faster SD card slot
- dual SD (get rid of that ancient and expensive CF)

Your position. Hopefully they won't do that.

- and yes.. MORE DR please.. kill that banding in the shadows, buy sensors from Sony for Christ sake as nikon does.
- more mp like 40mp (and 20mp mRAW) that those great lenses such as 24-70 2.8 II, 70-200 2.8 II and 16-35 f/4 can handle!

Why do you need a Canon, just grab the latest Nikon with your fancy Toshiba/Sony/Whatsoever-Sensor and get lucky. I don't understand why you bought a 5DM3 when everything inside is wrong for you, even the Memorycard.

You'll get an equally good 24-70 or 70-200@Nikon. And who needs 40MPixel? Get a Pano-tool. Understand it. Use it.

P.S. I'm glad that there are companies out there who invent their own sensors, like Sigma or Canon.

are you still glad when you're pushing out the shadows in post processing knowing that you've spent a fortune on buying a great camera with almost the same sensor as the previous model?

I'm not a nikon guy but honestly i don't get it!
Doesn't canon sensors need improvements?
I don't care who makes it, i care on doing my job better.
But i think its funny to talk about USB3 and highlighted buttons in the next models.

Don't complain if canon re-sells the same sensor in the next model with USB3 and 4k as a new feature which is useless for photographers.

How many times have you lifted the shadows of your photos by MORE than four stops? Be honest, now, with yourself, because that's the cutoff point. How often do you lift shadows by 4.5, 5, 5.3 stops? That's what the additional DR of the D800 gets you...those extra stops of shadow lifting power (assuming you expose to preserve the highlights). There are very few situations where you really actually need to lift shadows by that much. Sunset landscapes where the sun is setting behind mountains, or something like that, are one of the few cases where you actually NEED that kind of dynamic range...and then, having barely more than two additional stops of DR is almost meaningless, as the dynamic range of the scene is likely closer to 20 stops. Your still going to need GNDs.

Sure, it's nice having cleaner shadows, I want cleaner shadows myself...but more DR is a feature you'll rarely use. On the flip side, USB3.0? You'll use that EVERY time you import. Dual CF cards? You'll use that EVERY time you shoot anything. Better/faster AF? You'll use that EVERY time you shoot. There are more important features on a camera than the dynamic range, unless you primarily shoot scenes that have a ton of DR in them, or don't like having any contrast in your final images.
 
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jrista said:
jdramirez said:
Don Haines said:
If this is true, and Canon feels that this "new technology" about to be debuted in the 7D2 is so good that the rest of the lineup must have it, it must be something big!

That is quite optimistic.

Launch price for the mkiii was 3500... so I suppose $4000 seems like a reasonable bump up in price... with the 1dx's selling at $5000... it really raises the question of whether a 1dx for an extra grand is worth it more than a new mkiv. Interesting question.

There are many reasons to buy the 5D line over the 1D line, regardless of how much better the 1D line may be. No battery grip (BIG reason for many people), more megapixels, less read noise, quieter mirror, cheaper (even a thousand bucks is more than "cheaper enough"), etc.

Call me the odd one if you want to, I like the grip and shutter sound. Just like Eldar said "The 1DX shutter can be compared to the sound of a high performance car engine"
 
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I'm glad I'm not keeping up with the jones (or the Dylan(s))... because my pocket book can't handle it. Though I do have a hankering for some length... I was thinking 400mm give or take... :) I really wish I had a spare $12000 for the 200-400mm.

Dylan777 said:
ck5dmkiii said:
I have to be truly honest. I just got a 1DX about 6 months ago to replace my old beaten down 5dMK3 and I cannot honestly think of anything else I could want from a camera. It has great AF, great low light capabilities, excellent ISO quality. What else is there that you "HAVE" to have? To me nothing. I understand we will always want more in life but for me I have to say I am truly happy with my 1DX. Just my opinion of course, I know most feel differently.

Me too, recently joined the 1d line. Let me put it this way. If Canon releases 5D 4 and 1dX II tomorrow, I will more likely upgrade the 1d over 5D. I will keep my current 5D III as a second body until it dies or there is a huge discount on 5D 4.

The grip on 1dx is a HUGE advantage when shoot with larger lenses(85L, 70-200 f2.8 IS II, 400mm etc...)

After shooting with the X for 2weeks, I now feel I need to add a grip to my 5D III. It feels naked at bottom without grip.
 
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When I purchased a 1D Mk IV in 2010, I was so impressed with it that I ended up purchasing a second one just six months later. When the 1D X was announced, I didn't think that it would be that much of an improvement (for me) over the 1D4. The 1D4s served me well and I was hesitant to part with one of them in order to buy the 1DX.

However, after reading positive comments from so many users of the 1DX, I decided to purchase one to replace one of my 1D4s. That was over 19-months ago, and I have never regretted making that decision. I use both models together frquently and although I still reach for the 1D4 when shooting some wildlife, I find myself using the 1DX for anything and everything.

With the release of a new 1-series body possibly just around the corner, I will probably wait to see just what it offers/features that I can't do now with my other two bodies, before making the decision to purchase one. However, I also realize that because I just said that, it will probably come with features/capabilities that I just CAN'T live without! Of course, then I'll be faced with the decision of which of my other two bodies to part with.

It will also be interesting to see how well it is received by the working Pros. Based on the success of previous models, I guess I know the answer to that already!
 
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Keep that dream alive. Soon or later it will happen. I got introduced to DSLR photography late 2008. Started out a used combo of 40D + 50mm f1.4 and 17-55 f2.8 IS.

BTW. I played with 200-400 yesterday at local camera store while looking for new camera bag to fit my X. That lens and 200mm f2 IS are quite awesome ;)

jdramirez said:
I'm glad I'm not keeping up with the jones (or the Dylan(s))... because my pocket book can't handle it. Though I do have a hankering for some length... I was thinking 400mm give or take... :) I really wish I had a spare $12000 for the 200-400mm.

Dylan777 said:
ck5dmkiii said:
I have to be truly honest. I just got a 1DX about 6 months ago to replace my old beaten down 5dMK3 and I cannot honestly think of anything else I could want from a camera. It has great AF, great low light capabilities, excellent ISO quality. What else is there that you "HAVE" to have? To me nothing. I understand we will always want more in life but for me I have to say I am truly happy with my 1DX. Just my opinion of course, I know most feel differently.

Me too, recently joined the 1d line. Let me put it this way. If Canon releases 5D 4 and 1dX II tomorrow, I will more likely upgrade the 1d over 5D. I will keep my current 5D III as a second body until it dies or there is a huge discount on 5D 4.

The grip on 1dx is a HUGE advantage when shoot with larger lenses(85L, 70-200 f2.8 IS II, 400mm etc...)

After shooting with the X for 2weeks, I now feel I need to add a grip to my 5D III. It feels naked at bottom without grip.
 
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Dylan777 said:
Keep that dream alive. Soon or later it will happen. I got introduced to DSLR photography late 2008. Started out a used combo of 40D + 50mm f1.4 and 17-55 f2.8 IS.

BTW. I played with 200-400 yesterday at local camera store while looking for new camera bag to fit my X. That lens and 200mm f2 IS are quite awesome ;)

jdramirez said:
I'm glad I'm not keeping up with the jones (or the Dylan(s))... because my pocket book can't handle it. Though I do have a hankering for some length... I was thinking 400mm give or take... :) I really wish I had a spare $12000 for the 200-400mm.

Dylan777 said:
ck5dmkiii said:
I have to be truly honest. I just got a 1DX about 6 months ago to replace my old beaten down 5dMK3 and I cannot honestly think of anything else I could want from a camera. It has great AF, great low light capabilities, excellent ISO quality. What else is there that you "HAVE" to have? To me nothing. I understand we will always want more in life but for me I have to say I am truly happy with my 1DX. Just my opinion of course, I know most feel differently.

Me too, recently joined the 1d line. Let me put it this way. If Canon releases 5D 4 and 1dX II tomorrow, I will more likely upgrade the 1d over 5D. I will keep my current 5D III as a second body until it dies or there is a huge discount on 5D 4.

The grip on 1dx is a HUGE advantage when shoot with larger lenses(85L, 70-200 f2.8 IS II, 400mm etc...)

After shooting with the X for 2weeks, I now feel I need to add a grip to my 5D III. It feels naked at bottom without grip.

I want to take a pilgrimage to B&H in NYC... Maybe while the Mrs. and the eldest are watching a show, I can let the baby just cry while I try out ALL the lenses... even the crappy cheap ones.
 
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Dylan777 said:
ck5dmkiii said:
I have to be truly honest. I just got a 1DX about 6 months ago to replace my old beaten down 5dMK3 and I cannot honestly think of anything else I could want from a camera. It has great AF, great low light capabilities, excellent ISO quality. What else is there that you "HAVE" to have? To me nothing. I understand we will always want more in life but for me I have to say I am truly happy with my 1DX. Just my opinion of course, I know most feel differently.

Me too, recently joined the 1d line. Let me put it this way. If Canon releases 5D 4 and 1dX II tomorrow, I will more likely upgrade the 1d over 5D. I will keep my current 5D III as a second body until it dies or there is a huge discount on 5D 4.

The grip on 1dx is a HUGE advantage when shoot with larger lenses(85L, 70-200 f2.8 IS II, 400mm etc...)

After shooting with the X for 2weeks, I now feel I need to add a grip to my 5D III. It feels naked at bottom without grip.

Ha ha - so ture ;)
 
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