EOS-1D X Mark II to Shoot 14fps? [CR2]

[Canon Rumors]

We’re not getting the feeling that an announcement for the EOS-1D X Mark II is imminent, details for the new DSLR are still very scarce.</p>
<p>We are told that the frame rate is going to be 14fps in full RAW mode. That frame rate with the rumored brand new 24mp sensor will be quite the accomplishment.</p>
<p>We’re also hearing that the LCD on the camera will get an “upgrade” over the current EOS-1D X, though nothing specific was shared with us.</p>

 

[Chaitanya]

Any word on the 6D mark II? more interested in that camera than 1D-X.

 

[Canon Rumors]

Any word on the 6D mark II? more interested in that camera than 1D-X.

Nothing beyond what's showing up on the forums, I doubt we see a 6D2 before the new flagship full frame cameras.

 

[Proscribo]

Or the possible SL1 replacement. Wasn't there a rumor that a new camera would be announced on 14th day or something? Anyhow 14fps sounds ok, I think they start to have problems with the mirror flipping faster than that, data can be handled of course.

 

[Maximilian]

... rumored brand new 24mp sensor ...

I hope that this time this sensor will be shared between 1DX2 and 5D4.
I do not see any real reason for Canon to have 4 different FF sensors.

This would bring Canon more synergy and lower development costs.
And I don't see any reason that 24 MP might not be enough for 5D3 and future 5D4 users.
The others might get the 5DS/R.

 

[RGF]

... rumored brand new 24mp sensor ...

I hope that this time this sensor will be shared between 1DX2 and 5D4.
I do not see any real reason for Canon to have 4 different FF sensors.

This would bring Canon more synergy and lower development costs.
And I don't see any reason that 24 MP might not be enough for 5D3 and future 5D4 users.
The others might get the 5DS/R.

I can envision at least 4 FF sensors

1DX M2 - 24 MP. Work horse for sports and wild life photographers.
5Ds (R) - 51 MP. Ultra high resolution.
5D M4 - 28-30 MP. General purpose camera. Don't see keep the sensor the same resolution as current model. Canon will need to do something new here if they want to create excitement around the new model
5DH - 18 MP. Very high DR camera.
6D M2 - 24 MP. Perhaps recycle 1DX M2 sensor, of course crippled.

 

[erjlphoto]

Any word on the 6D mark II? more interested in that camera than 1D-X.

Nothing beyond what's showing up on the forums, I doubt we see a 6D2 before the new flagship full frame cameras.

I've had them since introduced and they are still great cameras. Cheap now too!

 

[unfocused]

Admittedly, my interest in the 1Dx is purely academic – I don't expect to ever be able to afford one and I don't really need one.

But, it is interesting to see what Canon is considering for its flagship, as I think it can offer some hints down the line. The 5DIII is where I am at and where I expect to be for quite some time.

Honestly, for me, I would like to see Canon reverse the relative positioning of the sensor between the 6D and 5D – Give the 5DIV an even more excellent low-light sensor at about 22 mp and then give the 6D a 24-28 mp sensor. If you want high resolution, then buy the 5Ds. Realistically, I doubt that would happen because they won't want to give the 5DIV a sensor that performs better than the 1Dx.

As a second choice, letting the 1Dx and 5D share the same sensor would make sense.

Canon has never hesitated to let its APS-C cameras share the same sensors (7D and virtually everything else; 70D and 7DII; etc.) So, alternatively, letting the 5DIV and 1DxII share the same sensor would be consistent. There are plenty of other ways to differentiate the two.

If they bump the 5DIV sensor up above 24mp and sacrifice low-light performance, they won't be selling me another 5D. I simply have to have the high ISO performance. Fortunately, I suspect there are a lot of others in my position (photojournalists, wedding shooters, event shooters, etc.) so I don't seem them changing the winning formula.

A 7DII-like autofocus, an extra frame or two in frame rate, dual-pixel autofocus and call it a day. Nice add-ons would be touch screen; usable wi-fi; GPS, 4K.

 

[9VIII]

Canon has never hesitated to let its APS-C cameras share the same sensors (7D and virtually everything else; 70D and 7DII; etc.) So, alternatively, letting the 5DIV and 1DxII share the same sensor would be consistent. There are plenty of other ways to differentiate the two.

Speaking of which, I really wish they would put the 5Ds sensor in a 1D body. A true 1DsMkIII successor would still be ideal for me (except maybe shooting at 7fps or more instead of five).
Yes the 5Ds basically is everything that the 1DsMkIII was, except for the battery, built in grip, shutter life, etc...

 

[Gino]

24MP and 14fps sounds great to me, as long as they are able to give us a nice size buffer for full RAW files!

Give us easy to see red illuminated focus points in the viewfinder in all autofocus modes, and backlit buttons on the back of the camera, and I'd be very happy.

Also, I hope Canon was able to reduce the body weight a little...I'm hoping the body weight, with battery, is under 1,300g.

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

Ultra-high quality 7k video at 14fps ;D.

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

This would bring Canon more synergy and lower development costs.
And I don't see any reason that 24 MP might not be enough for 5D3 and future 5D4 users.
The others might get the 5DS/R.

Not going to a new fab means they already have low sensor costs in the sense that they haven't invested a ton of money on that scale into it for ages.
Now you want them to spend even less?
24MP isn't bad, but you don't get the reach for wildlife or quite the landscape cropping ability, etc. There is the 5Ds, but I mean.... old DR and no 4k etc. and it's not a fast action machine either so A7R II at that point.

 

[StudentOfLight]

Canon has never hesitated to let its APS-C cameras share the same sensors (7D and virtually everything else; 70D and 7DII; etc.) So, alternatively, letting the 5DIV and 1DxII share the same sensor would be consistent. There are plenty of other ways to differentiate the two.

Speaking of which, I really wish they would put the 5Ds sensor in a 1D body. A true 1DsMkIII successor would still be ideal for me (except maybe shooting at 7fps or more instead of five).
Yes the 5Ds basically is everything that the 1DsMkIII was, except for the battery, built in grip, shutter life, etc...

EOS 1Ds-R:
50MP at 6fps
Dual CFast 2.0
1/500s sync-speed
Built-in Radio Transmitter

 

[Maximilian]

This would bring Canon more synergy and lower development costs.
And I don't see any reason that 24 MP might not be enough for 5D3 and future 5D4 users.
The others might get the 5DS/R.

Not going to a new fab means they already have low sensor costs in the sense that they haven't invested a ton of money on that scale into it for ages.
Now you want them to spend even less?

"brand new" seems to mean "investing in new fab", doesn't it?

24MP isn't bad, but you don't get the reach for wildlife or quite the landscape cropping ability, etc.

What do you gain from circulated 28 MP of whatever fab over (possibly) great new 24MP?
Some 17% in pure numbers but at which quality?

If you'd asked me 4 years ago if I'd like to have the 22MP 5D3 chip or the 18MP 1DX chip in my 5D3 I'd have told you the answer right away.

There is the 5Ds, but I mean.... old DR and no 4k etc. and it's not a fast action machine either so A7R II at that point.

Feel free to do or wish whatever you like.
But seeing Canons actions lately please don't expect the 5D4 to be the 1DX/D810/A7R II hybrid a lot out there want it to be.
Canon has a totally different view of the market than some "experts" around here.
And it seems to be strange, but they seem to earn money with that - at least more than Sonikon

 

[davidmurray]

From my perspective, ultimately what I want is a camera that I can use to capture the best quality images.

To my way of thinking that means good low light performance, good dynamic range, and sensor resolution that can take advantage of the Canon lenses I've got.

Everything else would be gumph.

High frames per second would be nice for situations where the subject is moving quickly, but not necessary for most circumstances.

Canon's camera ergonomics are already excellent.

The ability to access quickly used settings is already excellent.

So, as I see it, it's all about the sensor:
DR
High ISO image quality
Resolution to take more advantage of Canon glass

Meaningful improvements to those 3 key capabilities would see me letting the moths out of my wallet, and see the 5D once again the high tide mark for camera excellence.

By "meaningful" I mean a combination of improvements that results in an overall improvement in resulting image quality. I'm happy to leave the specifics of doing that to the experts in Canon and look forward to seeing the results.

 

[RGF]

24MP and 14fps sounds great to me, as long as they are able to give us a nice size buffer for full RAW files!

Give us easy to see red illuminated focus points in the viewfinder in all autofocus modes, and backlit buttons on the back of the camera, and I'd be very happy.

Also, I hope Canon was able to reduce the body weight a little...I'm hoping the body weight, with battery, is under 1,300g.

50 frame buffer

 

[Ozarker]

No matter what this camera turns out to be, I'm a cheerleader. I'll not be able to get one... but I'll be happy for those who can!

 

[Proscribo]

This is Canon's product naming problem.

If Canon were to introduce another FF DSLR at a lower price than the 6D, what does it get called?

8D? About the same price as 7DII or cheaper and nowhere near the features of 7DII, but with a FF sensor. Or just keep 6D in the product line.

 

[tpatana]

One please.

 

[Proscribo]

This is Canon's problem.

They've marketed their FF cameras as being "higher up" than crop.

Really, the 6D is not superior to the 7D but it is FF so it needs to be "better" than 7.

Canon needs to "start again" with its model naming of DSLRs.

I still don't see why they couldn't make a 8D FF camera, or just keep selling 6D.

However they are running out of names at this pace, there's only 80D and 90D left in the XXD line for example.