EOS 5D Mark III Replacement Talk [CR2]

[The Flasher]

My wish list:

Some variation of 7DII/1DX autofocus;
Touch Screen with a sensible user interface;
Basic on-screen photo editing, similar to what can be found on iPads and iPhones (Ideally Lightroom or Photoshop for Canon);
Easy to use Wi-Fi to allow images to be transferred to the cloud and shared with clients quickly once a few edits have been made;
Dual-Pixel autofocus (especially for video)

I'm waiting for an ff body with articulating screen a la 70D, and a touch screen is welcome, providing that function can be turned off

I've been using the 6D's WiFi capability and love it - once I got past the initial set-up. It's a great tool especially as a proofing device while shooting with a client over your shoulder. Just connect tablet or smartphone to camera, view gallery, and presto, client's seeing images, starring favourites (editing for you) leaving you with room to breathe and work. Plus you can use liveview and compose change settings etc remotely. Sony A7R's connectivity pales by comparison. I don't think having a pro DSLR that can upload online directly would solve any problems for me.

Dual Pix af is a must going forward, and I'd never say no to more DR

 

[privatebydesign]

Am I the only one getting a migraine from these concentric quotes that are getting bigger and bigger and further and further beside the point?

Fully agree: Sony a6000 is not a replacement for a 5DIII. It is a very neat little machine, though.

You are not the only one. The internet doesn't bring out the best sides of people, and I sometimes need a break from the forums, so I can keep my faith in humanity.

Besides - it can't be that surprising that a $600 camera can't replace a $3000 camera. I would hope that you get something for your money, when you spend that much on a camera.

It isn't surprising, what is surprising is some people insist on repeatedly posting here, a Canon centric forum, that it can.

 

[Loswr]

Fully agree: Sony a6000 is not a replacement for a 5DIII. It is a very neat little machine, though.

You are not the only one. The internet doesn't bring out the best sides of people, and I sometimes need a break from the forums, so I can keep my faith in humanity.

Besides - it can't be that surprising that a $600 camera can't replace a $3000 camera. I would hope that you get something for your money, when you spend that much on a camera.

It isn't surprising, what is surprising is some people insist on repeatedly posting here, a Canon centric forum, that it can.

I no longer find it surprising, merely rather pathetic.

 

[privatebydesign]

Fully agree: Sony a6000 is not a replacement for a 5DIII. It is a very neat little machine, though.

You are not the only one. The internet doesn't bring out the best sides of people, and I sometimes need a break from the forums, so I can keep my faith in humanity.

Besides - it can't be that surprising that a $600 camera can't replace a $3000 camera. I would hope that you get something for your money, when you spend that much on a camera.

It isn't surprising, what is surprising is some people insist on repeatedly posting here, a Canon centric forum, that it can.

I no longer find it surprising, merely rather pathetic.

I was being generous, it is a New Year

 

[AshtonNekolah]

if anyone remembers canon had a 5DX at one time they was going to bring out with high MP. then things changed very fast maybe they have completed the camera now.

 

[Loswr]

if anyone remembers canon had a 5DX at one time they was going to bring out with high MP. then things changed very fast maybe they have completed the camera now.

I recall a rumor of a '5DX'. When did that become fact, did I miss the press release?

 

[Respinder]

I don't understand why a company would decide to release multiple lines or versions of the same camera - why not just release the camera body that can do it all?

For instance, as opposed to having both a high-megapixel camera and a lower (24) megapixel-camera all under the same 5D branding, why not release one under the 5D family and another under the 3D family? Come to think of it - why not call it the 3"C" to avoid the naming issue and make it slightly more video focused but with excellent stills features as well?

Personally, I would rather have a distinct series of cameras at different levels (ie 1D, 3C, 5D, 6D, 7D, etc) rather than seeing a series of cameras at the same level with slightly different feature sets - I hated when Sony did this with the A7 - it only results in confusion for the consumer - there is no reason why a camera at the proper level can meet all of the requirements for the associated photographers/videographers.

Just my two cents..

 

[privatebydesign]

I don't understand why a company would decide to release multiple lines or versions of the same camera - why not just release the camera body that can do it all?

For instance, as opposed to having both a high-megapixel camera and a lower (24) megapixel-camera all under the same 5D branding, why not release one under the 5D family and another under the 3D family? Come to think of it - why not call it the 3"C" to avoid the naming issue and make it slightly more video focused but with excellent stills features as well?

Personally, I would rather have a distinct series of cameras at different levels (ie 1D, 3C, 5D, 6D, 7D, etc) rather than seeing a series of cameras at the same level with slightly different feature sets - I hated when Sony did this with the A7 - it only results in confusion for the consumer - there is no reason why a camera at the proper level can meet all of the requirements for the associated photographers/videographers.

Just my two cents..

Because anything with a 5D in the name, if it is in a certain price bracket, is a guaranteed seller. As for why not one camera to do everything, there never can be, technology has outstripped that capacity, what some people want and need is counter productive for others. For instance people shooting sports for web and news print, or function shooters doing a thousand images a night for a standard 8"x10", don't want or need the MP or file sizes attached to them, landscapers don't want or need the processing power for 12 fps with AF, and neither group is overly happy at paying for the 'features' and functionality the other groups hold as essential.

A 5D family makes a lot of sense, but as I said much earlier in the thread, if there were three versions I would think a 5D MkIV (a true 5D MkIII upgrade, a perfect all rounder), a 5DX (high MP landscapers tool) and a 5DC (for the video orientated crowd) would make more sense than two versions of the landscapers version with and without AA filters.

 

[martti]

Sony has shown what is possible with new sensor technology whilst Canon hasn't updated theirs in many years and so on. That then leads to people defending Canon doing little or nothing in various areas whilst it leaves others exasperated.

Canon as shown what is possible with lens and optical technology, while Sony has done little or nothing in that area. Some people seem to think bare silicon sensors take pictures…

With the metabones adapters, I can put almost any lens on the Sony A7 series. Why should I limit myself to Sony's lenses?

But... but... but... system! system! system!

Yup, by going down the Sony mirrorless path the options for what a working "system" can be are much larger than with Canon.

If by "working system" you mean massively compromised with severe loss of functionality then yes, you might have a point.

Which pieces of functionality will be compromised?

You obviously haven't practiced what you preach, go use a Sony with a Metabones and try out the AF.

Is there any other loss in functionality aside from AF?

Read tcmatthews reply above. You really do have an incredible habit of talking from a position of no experience of the suggestions you make.

Given that you have failed to articulate any other functionality losses, I'm going to therefore draw the conclusion that the "massively compromised with severe loss of functionality" is in fact limited to one feature and one feature only: autofocus and only when using a 3rd party adapter for 3rd party lenses.

It therefore would seem that the "massively compromised with severe loss of functionality" is thus somewhat of an exaggeration since only one feature is impacted.

migraine!

 

[Loswr]

Given that you have failed to articulate any other functionality losses, I'm going to therefore draw the conclusion that the "massively compromised with severe loss of functionality" is in fact limited to one feature and one feature only: autofocus and only when using a 3rd party adapter for 3rd party lenses.

Terrible battery life, Sony's weak UI, shutter-induced vibration, lossy RAW compression...but you go ahead and draw what ever conclusions you want – facts have never affected them before, no reason to let them start now. :

 

[J.R.]

Given that you have failed to articulate any other functionality losses, I'm going to therefore draw the conclusion that the "massively compromised with severe loss of functionality" is in fact limited to one feature and one feature only: autofocus and only when using a 3rd party adapter for 3rd party lenses.

Terrible battery life, Sony's weak UI, shutter-induced vibration, lossy RAW compression...but you go ahead and draw what ever conclusions you want – facts have never affected them before, no reason to let them start now. :

So if I use a Sony lens and not an adapted Canon lens, I won't have any of these problems? Sweet!

Just a question for you Dilbert, why haven't you switched to Sony already? Ever since I've been on these forums (early 2012 I believe) all I've seen from you is non-stop Canon bashing.

For someone facing so many difficulties in getting acceptable IQ from your Canon gear, moving to Nikon/Sony is the best thing you could do and get back to shooting images.

 

[DominoDude]

Given that you have failed to articulate any other functionality losses, I'm going to therefore draw the conclusion that the "massively compromised with severe loss of functionality" is in fact limited to one feature and one feature only: autofocus and only when using a 3rd party adapter for 3rd party lenses.

Terrible battery life, Sony's weak UI, shutter-induced vibration, lossy RAW compression...but you go ahead and draw what ever conclusions you want – facts have never affected them before, no reason to let them start now. :

So if I use a Sony lens and not an adapted Canon lens, I won't have any of these problems? Sweet!

Just a question for you Dilbert, why haven't you switched to Sony already? Ever since I've been on these forums (early 2012 I believe) all I've seen from you is non-stop Canon bashing.

For someone facing so many difficulties in getting acceptable IQ from your Canon gear, moving to Nikon/Sony is the best thing you could do and get back to shooting images.

@Dollbert:
Agreed, it's time to put the money where your mouth is: Firmly in the Sony camp.
If you are so good at shooting, I'm sure we will all be blown away by your marvelous shots once you start posting with your new real gear. (Imaginative, or unowned gear doesn't do the trick for me.)

Right now you sound like someone who has a hot wife, but don't know how to treat her right. Instead you're defaming her, and telling everyone that you, and they, should ogle the neighbors wife, since she is sooo much sexier. It's rather disrespectful.

 

[Loswr]

Given that you have failed to articulate any other functionality losses, I'm going to therefore draw the conclusion that the "massively compromised with severe loss of functionality" is in fact limited to one feature and one feature only: autofocus and only when using a 3rd party adapter for 3rd party lenses.

Terrible battery life, Sony's weak UI, shutter-induced vibration, lossy RAW compression...but you go ahead and draw what ever conclusions you want – facts have never affected them before, no reason to let them start now. :

So if I use a Sony lens and not an adapted Canon lens, I won't have any of these problems? Sweet!

We're talking about systems, is that concept too complex for you or are you merely being intentionally obtuse?

 

[Khnnielsen]

The term "beating a dead horse" comes to mind......

 

[tron]

Given that you have failed to articulate any other functionality losses, I'm going to therefore draw the conclusion that the "massively compromised with severe loss of functionality" is in fact limited to one feature and one feature only: autofocus and only when using a 3rd party adapter for 3rd party lenses.

Terrible battery life, Sony's weak UI, shutter-induced vibration, lossy RAW compression...but you go ahead and draw what ever conclusions you want – facts have never affected them before, no reason to let them start now. :

So if I use a Sony lens and not an adapted Canon lens, I won't have any of these problems? Sweet!

We're talking about systems, is that concept too complex for you or are you merely being intentionally obtuse?

He may think that LCD display that shows the menu is implemented on lens glass, that the canon lenses have a leaf shutter that causes the vibration problem and that the compressed raw images are stored in ... the Canon lenses... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

 

[PureClassA]

Thinking that for some, this conversation has gone .....

. Shot with Canon 5DX and 50mm f 0.6 used Toyota headlight.

 

[rambler]

I would prefer a single version, 5Dmk4 with:

- 26MP
- 8 fps or faster - 10 would be perfect
- 5 seconds of frame buffer plus (so either 40 to 50 frames)
- support for high speed pro memory cards (this will ease the load on the buffer)
- 7Dmk2 type focusing coverage or better, all cross type points with dual cross types in the center
- touch screen for focusing on the back (for video similar to 70D)
- match or better the Sony sensor for dynamic range.

A 3D with a high mega pixel count, say 50MP with the above features but maybe with a slower frame rate, say 5 or 6 per second.

Cheers,

 

[PureClassA]

I would prefer a single version, 5Dmk4 with:

- 26MP
- 8 fps or faster - 10 would be perfect
- 5 seconds of frame buffer plus (so either 40 to 50 frames)
- support for high speed pro memory cards (this will ease the load on the buffer)
- 7Dmk2 type focusing coverage or better, all cross type points with dual cross types in the center
- touch screen for focusing on the back (for video similar to 70D)
- match or better the Sony sensor for dynamic range.

A 3D with a high mega pixel count, say 50MP with the above features but maybe with a slower frame rate, say 5 or 6 per second.

Cheers,

Would be nice but dont hold your breath on 10 FPS. Won't happen. They have to protect the 1 series. I think 7-8 is doable though.

 

[bosshog7_2000]

Maybe I'm in the minority here but I think Canon should call the new high MP full frame the 'EOS 3'. Forget about 5DS....just go with EOS 3. The film version hasn't been made since 2007 and the 'D' moniker is pointless as everyone already knows it's a digital camera.

 

[mkabi]

For instance, as opposed to having both a high-megapixel camera and a lower (24) megapixel-camera all under the same 5D branding, why not release one under the 5D family and another under the 3D family? Come to think of it - why not call it the 3"C" to avoid the naming issue and make it slightly more video focused but with excellent stills features as well?

Personally, I would rather have a distinct series of cameras at different levels (ie 1D, 3C, 5D, 6D, 7D, etc) rather than seeing a series of cameras at the same level with slightly different feature sets - I hated when Sony did this with the A7 - it only results in confusion for the consumer - there is no reason why a camera at the proper level can meet all of the requirements for the associated photographers/videographers.

Just my two cents..

I like the idea of a 3C, definitely better than 3D...
And, I've said this in the past, 2D, 3D and 4D are just asking for it... you can think that people are dumb for asking "Oh does it do 3D pictures?" Or people from either Sony or Nikon camps can make fun of us... "they have a 3D camera that doesn't do 3D pictures "

But, reality is that it is just plain dumb... in fact, even if Sonikon people don't make fun... I will...
And, its just common sense not to name a camera 2D, 3D or 4D.

Now, if by chance they do introduce a 3C, I think they should just knock out 6D (being one and only of its kind).
You have a bunch of odd numbers and 6D is sticking out like a sore thumb, with it being the only even number on the high-end FF roster.