EOS 5D Mark III Replacement Talk [CR2]

[Loswr]

People do get emotional when the adequacy of their decision making is being questioned.

People also get annoyed when others fail to grasp that what is critical to them may not be the most important factor for everyone.

 

[Maiaibing]

Canon is doing just fine, by the way. With its 8.5% growth in 2014 it beats the market. I could not care less.

If you do not care - why do you write about it? If you write about it, don't confuse the numbers:
In October 2014 Canon - once again - warned the markets that they would not meet their target for DSLR sales and their revenue would suffer accordingly:
"Canon lowered its full-year forecast for sales of high-end single-lens reflex cameras to 6.5 million units from a previous forecast of 7 million."

Or you are maybe thinking Canon office equipment sales etc. are relevant on a photography forum?

 

[martti]

maiaibing: Or you are maybe thinking Canon office equipment sales etc. are relevant on a photography forum?


I do not sell cameras for living nor do I have any Canon shares in my portfolio so I do not really care about Canon's figures in 2014.
Canon is relevant for Canon Rumors forum.
Will there be better Canon cameras in the future, will Canon survive? The answer to both questions in the light of its business figure is "yes" because Canon take the fall in the DSLR sales because its other products are selling so well.

How does the fall from 7.0 million to 6.5 million units sold affect your photography?
What is its relevance?

 

[jdramirez]

The Other day I was looking through some old photos I took with my Canon xs... It wasn't anything special, but it was remarkable since I took the shots with a pretty bad lens... the shot was taken at f9 so that can solve many woes of a bad lens, but it reminds me that we spend do much time talking about gear... sensors... lenses... upgrades... brands... And much of it is not prohibitive to taking great photos... or at least decent ones. There will be better gear in ten years... But our photos today don't suffer because of a lack of technology, but rather a lack of imagination.

But hey... if that bit of better dynamic range is holding you back, then that must be the issue.

 

[martti]

you heretic!

 

[pretorianstalker]

Ia there anything we know for sure at this moment? Any chances for 4k video in any of those camera variants? I was also wondering if there will be any problems with using lenses that worked ok with lover MP count like 70-200 (exactly 70-200 f2.8L IS USM II) - I've heard that lens resolution sometimes might be not enoug for a big MP count - is it possible in this case?

 

[Niki]

Maybe I'm in the minority here but I think Canon should call the new high MP full frame the 'EOS 3'. Forget about 5DS....just go with EOS 3. The film version hasn't been made since 2007 and the 'D' moniker is pointless as everyone already knows it's a digital camera.

and what about a FILM camera..? I'd use it professionally along with my other cameras

 

[bmwzimmer]

Ia there anything we know for sure at this moment? Any chances for 4k video in any of those camera variants? I was also wondering if there will be any problems with using lenses that worked ok with lover MP count like 70-200 (exactly 70-200 f2.8L IS USM II) - I've heard that lens resolution sometimes might be not enoug for a big MP count - is it possible in this case?

People don't like DXOmark but if you look at their data for the D610 vs. the D810 for the same lens, you will notice an increase. For example, the Nikon AF-S Nikkor 85mm f/1.4G resolves 21 perceivable pixels on a 24mp D610 sensor and 30mp on a 36mp D810 sensor.
The Carl Zeiss Apo Planar T* Otus 85mm resolves 23/24 mp on the D610 and 35/36 mp on the D810 which is excellent.
We don't know what the ceiling is but for sure the ceiling for the Otus is much higher in this particular scenario.

 

[Machaon]

...our photos today don't suffer because of a lack of technology, but rather a lack of imagination.

+1 Spot on.

 

[Skirball]

...our photos today don't suffer because of a lack of technology, but rather a lack of imagination.

+1 Spot on.

/Thread ?

 

[DRR]

Maybe I'm in the minority here but I think Canon should call the new high MP full frame the 'EOS 3'. Forget about 5DS....just go with EOS 3. The film version hasn't been made since 2007 and the 'D' moniker is pointless as everyone already knows it's a digital camera.

and what about a FILM camera..? I'd use it professionally along with my other cameras

Just call it a Canon EOS 3D, anyone who is in the market for one will know it's a model number not a stereoscopic camera. The potential for confusion, among those who actually matter, is very low.

 

[zim]

Maybe I'm in the minority here but I think Canon should call the new high MP full frame the 'EOS 3'. Forget about 5DS....just go with EOS 3. The film version hasn't been made since 2007 and the 'D' moniker is pointless as everyone already knows it's a digital camera.

and what about a FILM camera..? I'd use it professionally along with my other cameras

Just call it a Canon EOS 3D, anyone who is in the market for one will know it's a model number not a stereoscopic camera. The potential for confusion, among those who actually matter, is very low.

Yes but how many times will you be asked if you need 3D glasses to go with it before you scream ;D

 

[dolina]

Canon's current full frame offerings were announced on the following dates.

Canon EOS-1D X
Announced Oct 18, 2011
Canon EOS 5D Mark III
Announced Mar 2, 2012
Canon EOS-1D C
Announced Apr 12, 2012
Canon EOS 6D
Announced Sep 17, 2012

Since then Nikon, Sony and Leica have announced these full frame cameras

2012
Nikon D4
Nikon D800E
Nikon D800
Leica M-Monochrom
Sony SLT-A99
Nikon D600
Leica M-E Typ 220
Leica M Typ 240
2013
Nikon D610
Sony Alpha 7
Sony Alpha 7R
Nikon Df
2014
Nikon D4s
Sony Alpha 7S
Nikon D810
Nikon D750
Leica M Edition 60
Sony Alpha 7 II

Mar 2, 2012 would mark the third year of 5D Mark III. It isn't that far fetch that 2015 will be the year of new full frame cameras for the 1, 5 and 6 Series.

I would be very surprise if it does not have built-in WiFi or NFC as the Sony Alpha 7 II & Nikon D750 have these features.

I hope the replacement without AA filter will have these connectivity features.

 

[jdramirez]

As a quick issue... I really don't want yearly revisions to my bodies. I'm not an early adopter.. but if I were and I pay X for it... I'm ok with it depreciating some... afterall, in this scenario I'm an early adopter... but to couple early adopting depriciation with being outdated gear... that's not a pill I'm willing to swallow.

 

[tron]

Maybe I'm in the minority here but I think Canon should call the new high MP full frame the 'EOS 3'. Forget about 5DS....just go with EOS 3. The film version hasn't been made since 2007 and the 'D' moniker is pointless as everyone already knows it's a digital camera.

and what about a FILM camera..? I'd use it professionally along with my other cameras

Just call it a Canon EOS 3D, anyone who is in the market for one will know it's a model number not a stereoscopic camera. The potential for confusion, among those who actually matter, is very low.

Yes but how many times will you be asked if you need 3D glasses to go with it before you scream ;D

How about EOS 2D? It will sound rather flat but it will keep hopes high for a future 3D ;D

 

[DominoDude]

If they release it in time for the Victoria's Secret Fashion Show, they could take the opportunity to rename the camera model entirely - they're running out of new numbers and can't slap an infinite number of "Mark *" on them. It would be suitable to release a DD camera. Perfect for those who shoot that event to lay their hands on a couple of double D's...

Sincerely,
/Oh-yes-I'm-full-of-it-but-at-least-I'm-not-prejudiced

 

[edknuff]

<p>We’re told that the next EOS 5D will come in three different versions. Two of the cameras named “EOS 5Ds” would be the high megapixel cameras with a resolution of 53mp. One of the cameras would have an AA filter and other would not. We’ve heard this sort of thing before, <a href="http://www.canonrumors.com/2014/11/another-50mp-ff-dslr-mention-cr2/" target="_blank">except the language used previously was one camera would have a low pass filter, and the other would not.</a> I do like the naming “EOS 5Ds”, as that may finally put to rest the “EOS 3D” moniker which has been around longer than this site has. There is also precedent on the “S” naming from the days of the “EOS-1D” and “EOS-1DS”.</p>
<p>The third camera would be an EOS 5D Mark IV, which would continue on the path of a lower megapixel event, sports, wildlife focused full frame camera. If this is true, I don’t believe all 3 cameras would come at the same time.</p>
<p>For the time being, there are no plans for a high resolution EOS-1 body style. However, expect the build quality of any 5D replacement to be top notch.</p>
<p>Personally, if they don’t make a high resolution EOS-1D style body, I do hope that a “5Ds” has the top plate of an EOS-1D.</p>
<p>More to come…</p>
<p><strong><span style="color: #ff0000;">c</span>r</strong></p>

For me, I don't necessarily see a higher MP camera as necessary, unless Canon produces a sensor with a considerably higher DR.

I'd love to read your and others' thoughts on this...

 

[Bob Howland]

If they release it in time for the Victoria's Secret Fashion Show, they could take the opportunity to rename the camera model entirely - they're running out of new numbers and can't slap an infinite number of "Mark *" on them. It would be suitable to release a DD camera. Perfect for those who shoot that event to lay their hands on a couple of double D's...

Isn't that why many guys are into fashion photography?

From what I've heard, a lot of fashion photographers are gay. The models don't like constantly being hit on by the assistants, so the assistants who are hired tend to be gay. Experienced fashion photographic assistants are more likely to become fashion photographers.

The photographer who told me this, who is gay and an occasional fashion photographer, referred to fashion models as "professional teases".

 

[DominoDude]

If they release it in time for the Victoria's Secret Fashion Show, they could take the opportunity to rename the camera model entirely - they're running out of new numbers and can't slap an infinite number of "Mark *" on them. It would be suitable to release a DD camera. Perfect for those who shoot that event to lay their hands on a couple of double D's...

Isn't that why many guys are into fashion photography?

From what I've heard, a lot of fashion photographers are gay. The models don't like constantly being hit on by the assistants, so the assistants who are hired tend to be gay. Experienced fashion photographic assistants are more likely to become fashion photographers.

The photographer who told me this, who is gay and an occasional fashion photographer, referred to fashion models as "professional teases".

*nods* @Bob - That sounds likely, and wouldn't surprise me.

 

[martti]

As I've understood, many artists and art collectors are gay as well as many cuisine chefs.
I still hope that a gay or a lesbian photographer would be famous because of the pictures she/he takes and makes rather than for his/her sexual orientation.

Michelangelo was gay. Is that why mr. Buonarroti is considered a genius or woud it have something to do with his painting, scultpures and architecture?