EOS 5D Mark III Replacement Talk [CR2]

[Sabaki]

Would an effort like this by Canon be

a) A multitude of viable ideas that cannot unfortunately "fit" into a single body, without compromising other performance aspects?

b) Succumbing to market pressure and expanding their existing DSLR lineup in an effort to please all?

I'm just looking for a full frame body that can nail focus on moving subjects, like dancers and performers indoors in lower light and also allow me to take amazing landscapes.

This may just be the most interesting development in a long while

 

[cfargo]

usually they always operate under the "take this or leave it policy" (or better "take this or take this cause you already have invested in our lenses"). this could be a welcome change of mindset for the company.

You can always do like so many of us are doing and get a Sony A7R or A7S with a Metabones adapter and use you Canon Glass. Sure the Sony's are good for sports but Landscape and Portraits they are awesome. I really enjoy the Lighter Weight, Higher Megapixels and the Greater Dynamic Range my A7R has over my 5DMK III.

 

[RustyTheGeek]

It'd have to be a really awesome camera to make me spend more monies from my mk3.

Hey, weren't you the one saying the same thing about the 5d1 until just before you upgraded ?

Yup. 5d1----> 5D3(held out on buying a 5d2 for along time) and it's very likely it will be 5d3---> 5D5 if it doesn't have those things.

And even when the MK3 was released, I waited until the price was ripe @ $2499 before I bought it. I can wait and make money just fine with the mk3 as I did with the 5d1 at the time.

I think RLPhoto and I think in the same way and we have followed similar upgrade paths. I used my 5D and skipped the 5D2 on purpose, then waited about a year to buy my 5D3 after its release. Plus, I would like to see what the 6D2 is before I jump.

What I fear is they will put truly coveted features like internal RT only in the highest priced 5Ds model to try and force you to buy the highest priced version. I doubt I'll be too interested in the high MP version but I definitely want the other features that could improve the overall experience and workflow.

 

[Sanaraken]

53MP really interest me, but I have no use for it. Im just waiting for the 5DIV to come out. So I can get a second 5DIII when the prices go hit 2k.

 

[Marsu42]

"4D" is possible

Not so: 4 is a no-go in Asian markets, just as there's no PowerShot G4. There's even a word for it " tetraphobia": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numbers_in_Chinese_culture#Four

There's a reason why the software biz dropped this naming/numbering game and simply used "Office 2007" and so on. Maybe it's time for a "5d 2015" ... at least with Rebel's they might run out of numbers rather sooner than later.

 

[InterMurph]

a 5Dc (cinema not 'classic', with 4k and all the other stuff people claim to need but at this point is all but unusable or viewable),

I claim to need this. I bought a Panasonic GH4 for its 4K recording capabilities, and I claim that I love it.

I claim that the 4K video allows me to zoom and crop in post-production to get just the shot I want, with much more detail than is available from my 5D Mark III.

And I claim that I can view this 4K video on my 2.5K monitor just fine.

 

[PureClassA]

Neuro or anyone else who knows more than I, Why could Canon not just create an AA filter build that could be turned ON or OFF at will? If Canon could install a sensor design with a non-functional low-pass to save manufacturing variance costs.... why couldn't we have just ONE high res 5Ds with an on/off switch??

This is akin to asking for an ND filter that can be switched on/off. AA is an optical filter, not something done electronically.

Ok, I guess I dont understand then how, as Neuro earlier alluded to, would they be able to produce a "non functional" low pass filter to keep production variances to a minimum. That's why I was asking. And do not many upper end cameras for video and film have ND filters built in that CAN be switched on and off?

 

[Canon Rumors]

One of the cameras would have an AA filter and other would not. We’ve heard this sort of thing before, except we were told previously one would have a low pass filter, and the other would not.

AA filter = OLPF = optical low-pass filter. So, you were told the same thing twice.

I corrected the language.

 

[Khnnielsen]

There is no mention of video features in the rumor. It will be interesting to see whether Canon will acknowledge that people are using their DSLRs for video and make a true hybrid camera like the GH4. My guess is that they are too protective of their CXX line, so it will lack some of the basic video features.

 

[Coldhands]

Neuro or anyone else who knows more than I, Why could Canon not just create an AA filter build that could be turned ON or OFF at will? If Canon could install a sensor design with a non-functional low-pass to save manufacturing variance costs.... why couldn't we have just ONE high res 5Ds with an on/off switch??

This is akin to asking for an ND filter that can be switched on/off. AA is an optical filter, not something done electronically.

Ok, I guess I dont understand then how, as Neuro earlier alluded to, would they be able to produce a "non functional" low pass filter to keep production variances to a minimum. That's why I was asking. And do not many upper end cameras for video and film have ND filters built in that CAN be switched on and off?

I can't claim to speak for Neuro, but he may be referring to using clear glass (instead of the usual birefringent material) in order to maintain the same sensor stack thickness, or perhaps for other reasons.

The cameras you're probably thinking of have ND filters that can be inserted/retracted, as opposed to being switched on/off.

 

[Khnnielsen]

Neuro or anyone else who knows more than I, Why could Canon not just create an AA filter build that could be turned ON or OFF at will? If Canon could install a sensor design with a non-functional low-pass to save manufacturing variance costs.... why couldn't we have just ONE high res 5Ds with an on/off switch??

This is akin to asking for an ND filter that can be switched on/off. AA is an optical filter, not something done electronically.

Ok, I guess I dont understand then how, as Neuro earlier alluded to, would they be able to produce a "non functional" low pass filter to keep production variances to a minimum. That's why I was asking. And do not many upper end cameras for video and film have ND filters built in that CAN be switched on and off?

Yes, some video cameras have built in ND filters, which work by flipping a lever that rotates a graduated ND filter. I think that it would be difficult to adapt such a mechanical solution in a DSLR for an AA filter.

 

[Joe M]

This makes far more sense than the previous talk of the 5D3 going to high mpx in the next version. I figured that would be the case when first mentioned. As far as what they want to call all these variations, I think it'll be tricky. Personally, I think all the names (numbers) of the various cameras are tricky enough as it is. I guess you can go 5D3, 5D4, and keep adding digits until you hit 5D27 (if that would even fit on the camera badge). I'm waiting to see what happens when the 90D comes out. Then it's 100D, 110D...?
In any case, whatever the names, as long as a body similar to the current 5D3 continues, I'm ok with that. The next iteration will have to be a big leap though as the 5D3 is serving me pretty well.

 

[Maiaibing]

More choices are always better. But Canon is in a difficult position which speaks against having anything more than one 5DIV out there. I fail to see that Canon is in a situation that they can allow themsleves to spread incremental improvements thin accross the board and forego the very best they can deliver in an attempt to regain the high ground.

A high megapix 5DIV is not competing with the 5DIII. Its competing to outshine the D750 and outdo the D810. So anything short of 5 fps, less AF points, DR, lower iso etc. is a no-go. Canon simply can not afford to leave aside the very best they can deliver in all areas compared to where the competition is today.

When it comes to speed 5DIII is not a fast shooter with its 6 fps. Should Canon not be able to do at least as much with a high megapix camera when Nikon's D810 already does 5fps? The D750 - practically a discount camera compared to the 5DIII - does 7.5 fps!

Canon was stunned when Nikon produced the D800 at a lower price than the 5DIII. I am certain Canon is doing everything they can to reverse that situation with the 5DIV. Just throwing a lot of pixels into a box will not cut it when all indications are that Nikon has a 40+ megapix upgrade to the D810 in the making.

 

[PureClassA]

Neuro or anyone else who knows more than I, Why could Canon not just create an AA filter build that could be turned ON or OFF at will? If Canon could install a sensor design with a non-functional low-pass to save manufacturing variance costs.... why couldn't we have just ONE high res 5Ds with an on/off switch??

This is akin to asking for an ND filter that can be switched on/off. AA is an optical filter, not something done electronically.

Ok, I guess I dont understand then how, as Neuro earlier alluded to, would they be able to produce a "non functional" low pass filter to keep production variances to a minimum. That's why I was asking. And do not many upper end cameras for video and film have ND filters built in that CAN be switched on and off?

Yes, some video cameras have built in ND filters, which work by flipping a lever that rotates a graduated ND filter. I think that it would be difficult to adapt such a mechanical solution in a DSLR for an AA filter.

Yes, built in ND filters are a mechanical switch. I guess I should have clarified that if a low pass / AA filter is itse;f an optical device, could it not also somehow be made to operate in some similar fashio. Or is it something that MUST be embedded into the sensor build itself? Neuro sounds like he is speaking of something embedded that possibly could be manufactured into the same sensor but made non-functional to effectively by pass it as if it were not there. If so, then why could that component not be made user switchable either electronically or mechanically?

 

[Eldar]

I have a strong feeling that this (these) thing(s) will impress our socks off!

 

[PureClassA]

This makes far more sense than the previous talk of the 5D3 going to high mpx in the next version. I figured that would be the case when first mentioned. As far as what they want to call all these variations, I think it'll be tricky. Personally, I think all the names (numbers) of the various cameras are tricky enough as it is. I guess you can go 5D3, 5D4, and keep adding digits until you hit 5D27 (if that would even fit on the camera badge). I'm waiting to see what happens when the 90D comes out. Then it's 100D, 110D...?
In any case, whatever the names, as long as a body similar to the current 5D3 continues, I'm ok with that. The next iteration will have to be a big leap though as the 5D3 is serving me pretty well.

I agree the naming is important as the 5 series is the sacred cow. But I dont think Canon ever makes a model badged the 90D. Sounds way to much like the old Nikon D90.

 

[mackguyver]

I agree the naming is important as the 5 series is the sacred cow. But I dont think Canon ever makes a model badged the 90D. Sounds way to much like the old Nikon D90.

Did someone say D30 or 30D???

 

[PureClassA]

I agree the naming is important as the 5 series is the sacred cow. But I dont think Canon ever makes a model badged the 90D. Sounds way to much like the old Nikon D90.

Did someone say D30 or 30D???

Point taken. I have a cousin that has a D90 so my ears perk up on that one more.

 

[Loswr]

"4D" is possible

Not so: 4 is a no-go in Asian markets, just as there's no PowerShot G4. There's even a word for it " tetraphobia": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numbers_in_Chinese_culture#Four.

So...please explain the Nikon D4 and D4s to us. Is Nikon not a Japanese company? Is Japan not part of Asia? Are Nikon just very brave to flout a public phobia, whereas Canon is too cowardly to do the same? I look forward to you sharing your cultural wisdom on the subject...

 

[Marsu42]

"4D" is possible

Not so: 4 is a no-go in Asian markets, just as there's no PowerShot G4. There's even a word for it " tetraphobia": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numbers_in_Chinese_culture#Four.

So...please explain the Nikon D4 and D4s to us. Is Nikon not a Japanese company? Is Japan not part of Asia? Are Nikon just very brave to flout a public phobia, whereas Canon is too cowardly to do the same? I look forward to you sharing your cultural wisdom on the subject...

Sure, everything you ask for good ol' Neuro, inquiring in the usual friendly tone

On close inspection, you'll notice that in Nikon's numbering the 4 is *after* the d, while with Canon it would to be much more prominently up front and the whole name probably more pronounced like "death" (native speakers around?).

It probably depends on a company's specific marketing strategy how much they consider these local specifics, it might be more important for consumer-grade products (like Powershot) than flagship (like D4). And it'll matter if you have to actively skip a number or can easily avoid the problem altogether with a new product like "EOS 4D".